People, obama is not coming for your guns

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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,552 Senior Member
    Buffco wrote: »
    Sure, he can. The question is, "Will he?"

    I say no. First, he's not that stupid. Second, it's just not that high on his agenda. Look at the ball-less executive orders he cranked out after Sandy Hook. They accomplished nothing other than enabling him to say he'd "done something". And that was mere WEEKS after children were shot dead!!

    He isn't stupid, and it is very high on his agenda - near the top, in fact. But, because he isn't stupid, he now knows the timing is still not right. He misjudged the mood of the public because he lives in a liberal/socialist bubble in which anything he personally believes is deemed to be right. He was convinced that with a well-coordinated media assault, he could spin the Sandy Hook tragedy into a mandate for gun control. It worked in New York and a few other places where all opposition could be stifled with straw-man arguments and the usual demagoguery, but it didn't sell, nationwide.

    We mustn't forget that he is still just a community organizer, and his job is to keep his very tenuous base whipped up for the mid-term elections, and recruit more morons with emotionally charged rhetoric and bogus 'facts' that nobody in the media will hold him to account for. His one goal is to destroy all political opposition, basically the Republican Party, and to continue to paint conservatives as tin-foil hat wearing rednecks. He has to regain control of both houses of Congress before he can ram his real agenda down the throats of an American public that is slowly waking up to the fact that he doesn't give a damn about solving any problems that will cure what ails the economy.

    Remember that he had everything his way for two years and was able to ram through Obamacare and countless other still-to-be-discovered laws and rules that are designed to break this economy and establish government as it's only savior. He has not done a single thing since losing the House, except tiptoe around the edges of his real agenda with executive orders, and quietly allow the various bureaucracies to overstep their authority when no one is looking.

    Give him the House in 2014, and you won't recognize this country in 2016. Give him the House and the Supreme Court, and nothing short of revolution will ever put Humpty-Dumpty back together again.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,794 Senior Member
    This is the 4th time in 20 years that guns, ammunition, and reloading supplies have been in short supply.

    First was when Clinton's assault weapon ban went into effect. Any semiauto military rifle of any make was in high demand and supply got short, but ammo and reloading supplies were stable and obtainable at slightly higher prices.

    Second was the first election of Obama. People panicked thinking he would somehow ram a firearms confiscation bill through. Semiauto firearms and ammo became somewhat hard to find, but reloading components and equipment stayed available.

    Third was Obama's reelection. Same deal. Semiautos and ammo became somewhat hard to find, but reloading components and equipment stayed available.

    Forth time. Sandy Hook and push for draconian gun control. Most all firearms of ANY type are in such high demand that demand exceeds supply available with factories running full out. Ammo is pretty nonexistent on the shelves and extremely expensive. Reloading equipment and components are mostly unavailable at any price. Reloading equipment and component scarcity is new. Never been scarce to this degree before. Danged preppers!

    It's herd mentality driving the scarcity. The scarcity of a thing or suddenly realizing a thing may no longer be available can drive panic buying. The shelves get cleared during the beginning. This reinforces the belief that the thing(s) desired are soon to be unavailable, and anyone seeing such items on the shelf buy them in bulk to hoard for the future. This is when some people step in and buy all they can get their hands on and raise prices sharply, and use rhetoric to imply that 'this is the last that will be produced' or similar to drive inflated sales prices and further panic. This causes even more panic and another buying frenzy. Rumors fly the whole time. The system is now in place and feeds on itself. I could throw in some points of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs here, but that would be overkill.

    It's nothing but herd mentality at it's worst. It will die down when either the politicians shut their pie holes about the recent gun control push, or people hoarding get their fill and stop or slow down their buying. Both would be good. An analogy to this is gold prices; it went from around $270 per ounce to nearly $1400 now due to stock market uncertainty. More herd mentality and panic buying drove the price up. More of that demand exceeding supply thing.
    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.


  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,803 Senior Member
    Buffco wrote: »
    I'm a realist, snake.

    The Senate doesn't have the appetite for it, the House doesn't have the votes. Obama is a powerless gelding. He can't do anything.

    But the perpetual fear is getting annoying. I want to buy some 22 ammo, ****. And I want to do so without getting a 2nd mortgage.

    I know there are some who would say it's my fault for not preparing. I guess... But that attitude is partially what is driving this demand and subsequent scarcity. I just think that it's a sad state of affairs that I MUST hoard if I want to shoot.

    I'm not saying I trust Obama. I know he has no use for someone like me and even less use for guns. (unless it's for his Secret Service) But he's a joke. And has much bigger fish to fry.

    What we are suffering with is fear because "he COULD" or, gasp, the U.N. is coming for my guns. This is all a false panic. And I'm sick of it.

    /rant

    OK, now that sounds more reasonable coming from you. I can live with that, and somewhat agree. But your initial post had me worried.

    This shortage really is not what worries me. It just pisses me off. But the real worry is that Obama would if he could come after your and my guns. That is his goal, in my opinion. It's in his agenda. That's where I was coming from. Also, thank God above, that the congress (Both houses) is never totally lame duck. If so, they might sell us down the river in a heartbeat. But they're on a rotating election schedule (By Design) and it's hard to find enough of em at one time to sell us out.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • bowserbbowserb Member Posts: 277 Member
    Obama will get amnesty for 20 million illegals, at which point they will get earned income credit (that's a tax refund without paying taxes), Medicaid, and food stamps. The food stamps will qualify them for free cell phones (Last year we spent one billion dollars providing free cell phones to food stamp recipients). Obama plans to tax large 401k accounts, cut Social Security and Medicare, and increase income taxes.

    Question. If you were going to screw millions of people out of benefits they paid for, while also increasing taxes on their earnings and savings, and giving what they earned to people who have never worked or who were here illegally, wouldn't you want to disarm those people you were screwing first?

    Dufus Joe Biden said in a speech that the Tea Party people are simply nonviolent anarchists. How much more rape and plunder by our government will it take before the "nonviolent" part goes away? They have to get our guns. We have to keep them!


    Sent using Tapatalk...so please excuse the typos!
    "We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history." - Ayn Rand
  • TrueTone911TrueTone911 Senior Member Posts: 6,045 Senior Member
    If I actually thought Obama was coming for my guns...I wouldn't buy any guns or ammo. What would be the point? Here in California we already have to register and go through the background checks. If that is to be used as a way to take back the guns...I'm already screwed. There's little I can do but voice my opinion to my elected officials, show up on voting day and I do both.

    Now I know I'm part of the problem (having just purchased our first guns) but what should I do. It's not fear of the government that fuels my desire directly. More like budget cuts that have thinned out law enforcement to the point where crime is on the rise in my neighborhood. With me and my wife both owning guns we need ammo to shoot...we are starting at zero. Not stockpile buying but just buying a box here and there when I can find them. But I am paying some of the high prices (although I have seen some prices I just won't pay) which is enabling the high prices being charged.

    So I waited until my 50th year on this planet to pull my head out of the sand (or my a**) and now I want to protect my family. I also want to re-enter the shooting sports I enjoyed so much as a youth. And because of that I am part of the problem. I'm happy to do what I do in a way that does not add to the problem if I can but I have to do what I have to do.

    So at the very most I AM part of the problem and at the very least...I have piss poor timing.

    Don
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,652 Senior Member
    New shooters are not the problem, panic is.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,788 Senior Member
    If I actually thought Obama was coming for my guns...I wouldn't buy any guns or ammo. What would be the point? Here in California we already have to register and go through the background checks. If that is to be used as a way to take back the guns...I'm already screwed. There's little I can do but voice my opinion to my elected officials, show up on voting day and I do both.

    Now I know I'm part of the problem (having just purchased our first guns) but what should I do. It's not fear of the government that fuels my desire directly. More like budget cuts that have thinned out law enforcement to the point where crime is on the rise in my neighborhood. With me and my wife both owning guns we need ammo to shoot...we are starting at zero. Not stockpile buying but just buying a box here and there when I can find them. But I am paying some of the high prices (although I have seen some prices I just won't pay) which is enabling the high prices being charged.

    So I waited until my 50th year on this planet to pull my head out of the sand (or my a**) and now I want to protect my family. I also want to re-enter the shooting sports I enjoyed so much as a youth. And because of that I am part of the problem. I'm happy to do what I do in a way that does not add to the problem if I can but I have to do what I have to do.

    So at the very most I AM part of the problem and at the very least...I have piss poor timing.

    Don

    Move to Arizona, New Mexico or Texas... Vermont or Alaska...

    D
    "A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
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  • TrueTone911TrueTone911 Senior Member Posts: 6,045 Senior Member
    BigDanS wrote: »
    Move to Arizona, New Mexico or Texas... Vermont or Alaska...

    D

    And when those states adopt the same overreaching regulations as California...then what?
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,836 Senior Member
    And when those states adopt the same overreaching regulations as California...then what?

    There are states where "California-style" government just won't fly....Kansas is one of them....and there's nothing here to attract California liberals...no sking, surfing, beaches, etc etc etc....but if you like firearms, hunting, etc, it's a little bit of heaven...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • TrueTone911TrueTone911 Senior Member Posts: 6,045 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    There are states where "California-style" government just won't fly....Kansas is one of them....and there's nothing here to attract California liberals...no sking, surfing, beaches, etc etc etc....but if you like firearms, hunting, etc, it's a little bit of heaven...

    That's a comforting thought Jayhawker. I have to have someplace to go after the child raising, parent caring years have passed.
  • KENFU1911KENFU1911 Senior Member Posts: 1,052 Senior Member
    BigDanS wrote: »
    Move to Arizona, New Mexico or Texas... Vermont or Alaska...

    D

    And that will help the ammo supply/prices.....How???????BS gun laws won't fly here....but when we have to buy the parts/ammo/guns from the same BIG distributors as folks in 3rd World States.....we feel the pinch too......Ken
    My idea of a warning shot is when the 2nd bad guy watches his 1st buddy go down....
  • KENFU1911KENFU1911 Senior Member Posts: 1,052 Senior Member
    And when those states adopt the same overreaching regulations as California...then what?

    Well My Friend....when that time comes...............

    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.
    H. L. Mencken
    US editor (1880 - 1956)
    My idea of a warning shot is when the 2nd bad guy watches his 1st buddy go down....
  • bowserbbowserb Member Posts: 277 Member
    If I actually thought Obama was coming for my guns...I wouldn't buy any guns or ammo. What would be the point? Here in California we already have to register and go through the background checks. If that is to be used as a way to take back the guns...I'm already screwed. There's little I can do but voice my opinion to my elected officials, show up on voting day and I do both.

    Now I know I'm part of the problem (having just purchased our first guns) but what should I do. It's not fear of the government that fuels my desire directly. More like budget cuts that have thinned out law enforcement to the point where crime is on the rise in my neighborhood. With me and my wife both owning guns we need ammo to shoot...we are starting at zero. Not stockpile buying but just buying a box here and there when I can find them. But I am paying some of the high prices (although I have seen some prices I just won't pay) which is enabling the high prices being charged.

    So I waited until my 50th year on this planet to pull my head out of the sand (or my a**) and now I want to protect my family. I also want to re-enter the shooting sports I enjoyed so much as a youth. And because of that I am part of the problem. I'm happy to do what I do in a way that does not add to the problem if I can but I have to do what I have to do.

    So at the very most I AM part of the problem and at the very least...I have piss poor timing.

    Don
    Don, you are not the problem. For the time being, this is still America with the free market system--more or less--that built it. Supply and demand are market forces. Of course, a federal agency ordering a ten year supply of ammo doesn't help. If every gun owner bought as you do, we wouldn't have nearly the problem we do. Many people though are panic buying, and others are trying to take advantage by buying up everything they see to resell at huge profits. That too is part of the market system...which only affects two groups; the greedy and the desperate. If the desperate would wise up, the greedy would be out of business, and prices might start back down a bit.

    I don't consider myself a hoarder, but I did prepare. A year and a half ago, when the Democrat in Chief was promoting that a plumber should "share the wealth", and the GOP could only respond with "stop abortions", it was clear to me who would win. I started buying a box of .45 whenever I saw a good price. Then I started buying 5.56mm whenever I got a "sale" email from Natchez Shooters Supply. By October when the prices were increasing painfully already, I stopped buying, except for what I needed at the range that day. To some, my 2,500 rounds of 5.56 and 2,000 rounds of .45 is a stockpile. To others, it is a couple of outings at the range or out back. To me, it's not enough to risk, so I hardly ever go to the range now, mostly dry firing a laser target. I haven't bought ammo since the first of December.

    Don keep up what you're doing, don't buy from ripoff resellers, and don't minimize he value of dry fire practice. At last check, the price of dummy rounds had not gone up much.


    Sent using Tapatalk...so please excuse the typos!
    "We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history." - Ayn Rand
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