I recall one observation from Scooter years ago, that I'll always remember. Mike, you guys had just come back from a very windy day over one of those towns, and he chuckled a bit about how many of his shots were made at the far end of his optics' field of view. IIRC, he said there were a few he had to pass on because, while he knew what wind doping to use - at the range for that shot at full zoom - he just couldn't see the dog. A little tongue-in cheek?
As one of those 'surrounded by grass' guys, it is still difficult for me to picture that. But my thoughts definitely wandered to your Pdog threads from years ago when I recently drove through that part of CO coming back from AZ. I miss those threads. :tooth:
Edit: Any chance you have the link to Dan's article?
I've never seen this article before, so I was somewhat surprised when I just now read it. I always took Dan seriously, and maybe he took me the same way. I never suspected that. Of course, I could be reading more into it than I should, but the tone of this article is 180 degrees different from the first one. Maybe he did read my thread after all.
As to Scooter's saying that he was at the limit of his optics, I can certainly believe that was the case when I first introduced him to pdog shooting. Like me, (and most others) he was initially apprehensive of "twirling the dials" on his scope. Both of us were from "back East" (him Pennsylvania, me Louisiana) and it was a corner-stone of faith in those close-range terrains that once you had a scope zeroed at a certain distance you never touched it again lest you incur the wrath of the shooting gods. So yep, if you're zeroed for 100 yards and decide to take a poke at 600-700 using Kenducky elevation you're going to be pretty close to the top of your FOV if you're cranked up to max magnification.
But, once again, Dan Johnson enters into the equation in a very large way. I'd been living here about a year and was giving it all I had to score that magical 500 yard pdog kill. It wasn't happening. With a 200 yard zero, I was pretty good out to around 400 against pdogs, but just a few yards beyond that.....not happening. I may as well have been shooting at the moon.
Anyway, I guess Dan got tired of me whining about this lack of success on the board, and finally posted to one of my threads saying, "You own the finest varmint scope currently in production. It has quick-adjust target turrets. Use them...it'll be repeatable, I promise". Taking his advice, I figured out a comeups table for my 6mm, and lo and behold, next trip out I not only scored a kill at 589 yards, but the very next shot killed one dead as dirt at 618. After that, things kind of fell in place.
I miss the experiences that led to those threads, Bob, but the plague that hit here in '08 dramatically changed the pdog landscape in these parts. It'll be three years next month since I shot a pdog, and they were scarce as hen's teeth then. It hasn't gotten much better, population wise. Maybe someday, but OTOH, I've still got bullets, primers, and powder I bought in the month prior to O'bama's first inauguration.
BTW.....don't pass thru Colorado again without giving me a ring.
Mike
"Walking away seems to be a lost art form." N454casull
216 yds on a crow with the 17 HMR. He was in clover that was almost as tall as he stood at the time, and it was a lucky shot because I guessed. I couldn't laser it until I walked over and then ranged back to my truck, where I shot from. That was about 10-11" of holdover for a 100 yd zero on that rig. Lucky.
I hit a deer with my truck, I guess I was over 200 miles form home. Does that count? :nono: Later,
Now Billy, iffin the deer woulda been 200 miles from the truck and you could prove the truck killed the deer or someone inside the truck killed the deer, then I'd be impressed, :rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:
Daddy, what's an enabler?
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Lasered 340 yds, at whitetail using Rem 700 30-06 with Nosler 150gn bullet. Ernie Bishop and Linefinder's long range stats leave me in awe- what is the power on your scope(s) for 700 yd shooting?
Lasered 340 yds, at whitetail using Rem 700 30-06 with Nosler 150gn bullet. Ernie Bishop and Linefinder's long range stats leave me in awe- what is the power on your scope(s) for 700 yd shooting?
Lasered 340 yds, at whitetail using Rem 700 30-06 with Nosler 150gn bullet. Ernie Bishop and Linefinder's long range stats leave me in awe- what is the power on your scope(s) for 700 yd shooting?
Don't be in awe of my shooting. With the exception of the whitetail and elk, all of the above was done with tricked-out heavy barreled varmint rifles, and the deer/elk was done with a skinny barrel hunting rifle. Ernie's was done for the most part, I believe, with handguns. He and I operate on different planes, for sure.
The 6mm has a 6-20X. The .223's sport 6-18X. The .270 has a 4-12X. I have a benchrest rifle that has a 36X and it's useless for anything other than relatively short range paper punching. Really high magnification isn't much good against long distance game when mirage is present. The higher the power, the worse the mirage.
MIke
"Walking away seems to be a lost art form." N454casull
My elk last year. 220 lasered yards, and about 100 feet above me. R700, 300RUM.
Also, the only game animal I've ever killed with a rifle.
I forgot that was 220yds, that elk was mighty large in my scope at that range.
Mine was around 150yds on a whitetail, I had a good rest off the window sill in my dads stand and I was solidly leaning on the wall also, hit him in the neck just above the shoulder..
I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
A coyote at 600ish yards (estimated) with a .270 Win in a tang safety Ruger 77. witnessed
A whitetail doe at a measured 600yds and change with a Ruger 77 .257 Robt's Ultra Light. (Don't ask the number shots, but I'll be honest and tell you the barrel was scorching and the rifle never shot the same again, LOL) witnessed
Two prairie dogs at just over 600 yds lazered in Nebraska with a DPMS AR in .223 Bull barrel 20" 1/8 twist with 50 gr Sierra Blitzkings--muzzle velocity 3250 fps.
the first one was only 2 or 3 shots. The second one--don't ask, it was windy. (two witnesses on both). This first kill was on a flat and we had to drive the truck out to the kill to get something to reflect off of. First pd hunt. It's not so tough at 300 and even 400, but it gets tough for a beginner after that.
And perhaps the most unbelievable...A red-winged black bird atop a stalk of Milo @ 300 yds with a 4x scoped Marlin 75C Semi Auto--first shot Witnessed. I literally held the limit of the scope over as a guess...after what seemed like an eternity after the shot, he toppled over without a twitch.
I've killed several other whitetails and coyotes in the 400ish range.
You have the right to your own opinion, but you don't have the right to your own facts:guns:
A friend of mine is going to be here in a couple of weeks and we are going to work on our 2K prairie dog goal. Mainly him, as he has his 7mm Dakota SP built and is averaging around 1.5 inches for three shots at 600 yards right now. He is a regular competitive shooter at distance with both rifle and SP's.
I am in the middle of two projects right now, so my Long-Range pd rig is not ready to roll ( Krieger 8T 7mm Dakota, so it can shoot the 195 Hybrid, IF or when it comes out).
We are both members of VHA, so we can make the 2K club:applause:
His rig shoots the 180 Berger Hybrid.
A friend of mine is going to be here in a couple of weeks and we are going to work on our 2K prairie dog goal. Mainly him, as he has his 7mm Dakota SP built and is averaging around 1.5 inches for three shots at 600 yards right now. He is a regular competitive shooter at distance with both rifle and SP's.
I am in the middle of two projects right now, so my Long-Range pd rig is not ready to roll ( Krieger 8T 7mm Dakota, so it can shoot the 195 Hybrid, IF or when it comes out).
We are both members of VHA, so we can make the 2K club:applause:
His rig shoots the 180 Berger Hybrid.
Are you trying to become a member of the mile long club?
Yeah, I read your earlier post, and saw you already have a pdog kill at 1800+ yards, so I realize you're already a member. Just couldn't pass this up.
Jerry
Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
Longest kill? About three hours. We were out of ice at the deer camp and hot Coke & Jack will put a damper on your consumption rate. The next night I managed to kill one off in under an hour - we had ice. Never did get to the deer stand that weekend.
Longest shot - this year it's 200 yards with my Cowboy Silhouette rifle. Gave up the really long range stuff when I got out of the military.
Knowing what I know now, I would never take this shot today, but years ago I was hunting the wide open spaces of the Delta farms. From camp I had Lasered a Diesel tank at 985 yards. It was about 50 paces passed that to the bar ditch levy. I had killed many deer in that corner of the field over the years and had recently read up on drop tables for my load out of my .30 '06
So I was keeping an eye on that spot when a herd of does stepped out.
I watched them a while as they stood there and finally threw my wader length down jacket down for a rest and went prone.
I picked out a big doe and when my mental computer said the hold over was right I squeezed off. The group ran off except for the one I shot at, which went the other way. I sat there a while before I went to check on things.
I found no blood but I could tell from the tracks in the frozen mud, she was running. I found her not far from where she was when I shot. Maybe 40 yards or so.
I can't swear to it but I'm sure in those days I was shooting a 150 grain Core Loct. The bullet did it's job but I remember thinking there wasn't much expansion.
Anyway, and again, I would never take that shot today.
Teach your children to love guns, they'll never be able to afford drugs
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No, I searched and I can't find it. But, apparently later on he reconsidered his statements, because I did find this: http://archives.gunsandammo.com/content/prairie-dogs-vs-flyweight-wonder-bullets which was published in 2008 (I think), at least two, maybe three years after what I've related above.
I've never seen this article before, so I was somewhat surprised when I just now read it. I always took Dan seriously, and maybe he took me the same way. I never suspected that. Of course, I could be reading more into it than I should, but the tone of this article is 180 degrees different from the first one. Maybe he did read my thread after all.
As to Scooter's saying that he was at the limit of his optics, I can certainly believe that was the case when I first introduced him to pdog shooting. Like me, (and most others) he was initially apprehensive of "twirling the dials" on his scope. Both of us were from "back East" (him Pennsylvania, me Louisiana) and it was a corner-stone of faith in those close-range terrains that once you had a scope zeroed at a certain distance you never touched it again lest you incur the wrath of the shooting gods. So yep, if you're zeroed for 100 yards and decide to take a poke at 600-700 using Kenducky elevation you're going to be pretty close to the top of your FOV if you're cranked up to max magnification.
But, once again, Dan Johnson enters into the equation in a very large way. I'd been living here about a year and was giving it all I had to score that magical 500 yard pdog kill. It wasn't happening. With a 200 yard zero, I was pretty good out to around 400 against pdogs, but just a few yards beyond that.....not happening. I may as well have been shooting at the moon.
Anyway, I guess Dan got tired of me whining about this lack of success on the board, and finally posted to one of my threads saying, "You own the finest varmint scope currently in production. It has quick-adjust target turrets. Use them...it'll be repeatable, I promise". Taking his advice, I figured out a comeups table for my 6mm, and lo and behold, next trip out I not only scored a kill at 589 yards, but the very next shot killed one dead as dirt at 618. After that, things kind of fell in place.
I miss the experiences that led to those threads, Bob, but the plague that hit here in '08 dramatically changed the pdog landscape in these parts. It'll be three years next month since I shot a pdog, and they were scarce as hen's teeth then. It hasn't gotten much better, population wise. Maybe someday, but OTOH, I've still got bullets, primers, and powder I bought in the month prior to O'bama's first inauguration.
BTW.....don't pass thru Colorado again without giving me a ring.
Mike
N454casull
Also, the only game animal I've ever killed with a rifle.
And very tasty, I might add.
Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
Recoil is how you know primer ignition is complete.
Now Billy, iffin the deer woulda been 200 miles from the truck and you could prove the truck killed the deer or someone inside the truck killed the deer, then I'd be impressed, :rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Recoil is how you know primer ignition is complete.
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"The Un-Tactical"
How many shots?
"The Un-Tactical"
That there is some funny stuff.....
Don't be in awe of my shooting. With the exception of the whitetail and elk, all of the above was done with tricked-out heavy barreled varmint rifles, and the deer/elk was done with a skinny barrel hunting rifle. Ernie's was done for the most part, I believe, with handguns. He and I operate on different planes, for sure.
The 6mm has a 6-20X. The .223's sport 6-18X. The .270 has a 4-12X. I have a benchrest rifle that has a 36X and it's useless for anything other than relatively short range paper punching. Really high magnification isn't much good against long distance game when mirage is present. The higher the power, the worse the mirage.
MIke
N454casull
I guess it really is "damned adequate."
"Slow is smooth, smooth is fast, and speed is the economy of motion" - Scott Jedlinski
Mmmhmmm
It would seem.
Oh well, I suppose, but what would have really impressed me was if the truck would a been doing about 200 MPH!
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
I forgot that was 220yds, that elk was mighty large in my scope at that range.
Mine was around 150yds on a whitetail, I had a good rest off the window sill in my dads stand and I was solidly leaning on the wall also, hit him in the neck just above the shoulder..
100ish yards? No wonder you don't like .270s. At 100 yards a .270 isn't through its first wind yet. Uh Oh, now let the games begin!!!
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
A coyote at 600ish yards (estimated) with a .270 Win in a tang safety Ruger 77. witnessed
A whitetail doe at a measured 600yds and change with a Ruger 77 .257 Robt's Ultra Light. (Don't ask the number shots, but I'll be honest and tell you the barrel was scorching and the rifle never shot the same again, LOL) witnessed
Two prairie dogs at just over 600 yds lazered in Nebraska with a DPMS AR in .223 Bull barrel 20" 1/8 twist with 50 gr Sierra Blitzkings--muzzle velocity 3250 fps.
the first one was only 2 or 3 shots. The second one--don't ask, it was windy. (two witnesses on both). This first kill was on a flat and we had to drive the truck out to the kill to get something to reflect off of. First pd hunt. It's not so tough at 300 and even 400, but it gets tough for a beginner after that.
And perhaps the most unbelievable...A red-winged black bird atop a stalk of Milo @ 300 yds with a 4x scoped Marlin 75C Semi Auto--first shot Witnessed. I literally held the limit of the scope over as a guess...after what seemed like an eternity after the shot, he toppled over without a twitch.
I've killed several other whitetails and coyotes in the 400ish range.
I am in the middle of two projects right now, so my Long-Range pd rig is not ready to roll ( Krieger 8T 7mm Dakota, so it can shoot the 195 Hybrid, IF or when it comes out).
We are both members of VHA, so we can make the 2K club:applause:
His rig shoots the 180 Berger Hybrid.
"The Un-Tactical"
Now Durwood, do you really expect some of these people to believe that a .270 will kill anything bigger than a squirrel at 600 yards?
:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Sounds to me like a .50 BMG is a damned adequate Pdog round.
:tooth:
Are you trying to become a member of the mile long club?
Yeah, I read your earlier post, and saw you already have a pdog kill at 1800+ yards, so I realize you're already a member. Just couldn't pass this up.
Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
"The Un-Tactical"
He have a stroke from laughing? Just saying.
I will fear no evil: For I carry a .308 and not a .270
I will fear no evil: For I carry a .308 and not a .270
Longest shot - this year it's 200 yards with my Cowboy Silhouette rifle. Gave up the really long range stuff when I got out of the military.
So I was keeping an eye on that spot when a herd of does stepped out.
I watched them a while as they stood there and finally threw my wader length down jacket down for a rest and went prone.
I picked out a big doe and when my mental computer said the hold over was right I squeezed off. The group ran off except for the one I shot at, which went the other way. I sat there a while before I went to check on things.
I found no blood but I could tell from the tracks in the frozen mud, she was running. I found her not far from where she was when I shot. Maybe 40 yards or so.
I can't swear to it but I'm sure in those days I was shooting a 150 grain Core Loct. The bullet did it's job but I remember thinking there wasn't much expansion.
Anyway, and again, I would never take that shot today.