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JermanatorJermanator Senior MemberPosts: 16,244 Senior Member
I layed away a Howa Axiom varmint in .223 today. Basically, it is a 24" heavy barreled Howa 1500 with one of these stocks...
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Axiom-UL-Rifle-Stock,220,1447.htm
It will get this scope...

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/636704/sightron-siii-tactical-rifle-scope-30mm-tube-6-24x-50mm-1-10-mil-adjustments-side-focus-mil-dot-reticle-matte?cm_vc=wishList
The purpose for it is a varmint/target type rifle for the whole family (mainly rapidly growing children-- hence the ugly stock). It needs to fit people between 5' and 6'3". I am looking for something that is easy to shoot, and easy to shoot very well. The trigger seemed alright, but it will probably get switched out. I am interested in a Picatinny style scope base, and I will need some 30mm rings. The stock ensures that the barrel is free floated and it is aluminum pillar bedded so there shouldn't be any bedding issues.

I appreciate your recommendations and suggestions.

Thanks
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
-Thomas Paine
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,077 Senior Member
    As an aside:

    I have all three of the above on one gun or another and am very pleased with all of them.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    On that one piece base, I was reading that it sits up kind of high-- to the point where the reviewer has a 56mm objective and low rings. Have you seen an issue with that? Could I go with low rings?
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member In the sticks, OHPosts: 5,617 Senior Member
    Zed is right on, as usual. I have all that stuff, too. It doesn't sit that high, but you might be able to get by with med rings on a 56mm bell. I have quite a bit of clearance under my 40mm.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Just so you guys know-- Don't expect a range report next week or anything. It might be fall (or later) before this all comes together. It has a 1:12 twist on the barrel which is great for the stockpile of 50gr Vmax's and 55gr FMJ's I got, I got plenty of CCI benchrest primers, and a buttload of .223 (not 5.56) brass. I guess I need to hold off on acquiring an 8lb jug of powder until I find out which one it likes to eat.

    Any preference on brakes? I know for sure that I don't want one that blows out the bottom on this rig, and I guess I don't need too much recoil reduction. What I am looking for is something that will help stay on target.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,077 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    On that one piece base, I was reading that it sits up kind of high-- to the point where the reviewer has a 56mm objective and low rings. Have you seen an issue with that? Could I go with low rings?

    Low could probably work. Just depends on your barrel contour.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,077 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    Just so you guys know-- Don't expect a range report next week or anything. It might be fall (or later) before this all comes together. It has a 1:12 twist on the barrel which is great for the stockpile of 50gr Vmax's and 55gr FMJ's I got, I got plenty of CCI benchrest primers, and a buttload of .223 (not 5.56) brass. I guess I need to hold off on acquiring an 8lb jug of powder until I find out which one it likes to eat.

    Any preference on brakes? I know for sure that I don't want one that blows out the bottom on this rig, and I guess I don't need too much recoil reduction. What I am looking for is something that will help stay on target.

    1-12"............yuck!!!!

    Brake:
    Ops Inc
    Holland Gen II Radial
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    1-12"............yuck!!!!

    Brake:
    Ops Inc
    Holland Gen II Radial
    We will see what it can do before I blow the cash on a 1:9 and a brake. Actually, it probably wouldn't hurt to buy one now since I know the kids will probably run 200 rounds through it a sitting. I also noticed that I got a plastic pitcher that I have been putting my spare change in for the last few years and told the kids we could do something cool with it when it is full.

    It is full.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    I just noticed that that fugly stock makes it an assault rifle in New York and Connecticut. I am starting to like it now.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,077 Senior Member
    It'll run the lightweights like a champ, most likely. But, 64gr and up might turn into a pattern unless they are flat base.

    I have an Ops Inc on my heavy .223 and its darn nice.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Colorado SpringsPosts: 7,824 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    I guess I need to hold off on acquiring an 8lb jug of powder until I find out which one it likes to eat.

    Or you could save yourself some trouble and expense and just get a jug of H322 or Ramshot Xterminator.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member In the sticks, OHPosts: 5,617 Senior Member
    The RL-10x that you should be using in you 204 will probably work pretty good.
    Try CFE223 too.

    Hostage trade
  • sarg1csarg1c Senior Member KentuckyPosts: 1,707 Senior Member
    I traded for a new Savage axis.bolt gun today in .223. Mounting scope now Pic's comming to avoid fine... Now can the trigger be adj. on these?....
    I did a trigger job and took pic...
    savage_zps3a7e8fc4.jpg
    very cheap made...
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    jbohio wrote: »
    The RL-10x that you should be using in you 204 will probably work pretty good.
    Try CFE223 too.


    I am using that CFE223 in the .204. It seems to do pretty good. I was too busy at Teach's to do a real group with it though. I need to get my butt to a range. I got a club application sitting here on my desk that I need to get sent in too.

    I have handy: H 322, CFE223, Benchmark, and a couple of others. I may have some RL10, but I promise that I don't have any Ramshot. I may have to change that. Actually, I need to use up all the oddball stuff that I was given and narrow down my choices a bit.
    jbohio wrote:
    Hostage trade
    If you keep having to work weekends, we might have to do it in fall.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member In the sticks, OHPosts: 5,617 Senior Member
    Sad thing is, I'm not working weekends now. But, we've got a million square foot warehouse/site package that also includes 4000 feet of new road, and a 500,000 sq. ft warehouse/site, that start Aug 1. It'll be six 12's till Christmas.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    And between what other stuff we already have planned and booked, along with my daughter's summer camps, I am pretty much tied up until August. Whatca doing the 4th weekend? Got time to meet up at a range for an afternoon about half way?
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Central MNPosts: 14,673 Senior Member
    jbohio wrote: »
    Sad thing is, I'm not working weekends now. But, we've got a million square foot warehouse/site package that also includes 4000 feet of new road, and a 500,000 sq. ft warehouse/site, that start Aug 1. It'll be six 12's till Christmas.

    Let me know if you need a note off work during deer season:jester:.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Paul-- How would that work on a heavy barreled bolt rifle? It looks like it would go on a standard AR barrel pretty easy though.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member In the sticks, OHPosts: 5,617 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 wrote: »
    Let me know if you need a note off work during deer season:jester:.

    :tooth:

    I'm still about halfway in the doghouse from the CO trip!
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member In the sticks, OHPosts: 5,617 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    And between what other stuff we already have planned and booked, along with my daughter's summer camps, I am pretty much tied up until August. Whatca doing the 4th weekend? Got time to meet up at a range for an afternoon about half way?
    Yep. My wife will be out of town, no plans.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,077 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    I'm liking this one one one of my AR uppers
    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/942876/dpms-muzzle-brake-miculek-1-2-28-thread-ar-15-steel-matte
    Seems to work as well as the Holland I have on the Grendel for ~ 1/3 the price!!

    That is a descent AR brake for the price. I had one in .223 and currently have one in .308. They are not as good as a Holland or Ops Inc and they won't last as long either. I already shot out the .223 brake years ago. But, they are a third the price.

    Personally, I would not put one on a bolt gun. Easy on and off of an AR makes sense for the price. Indexing is easy with the lock nut. But, indexing on a bolt gun takes a little more work. Therefore, I want a brake that will last awhile. The DPMS one will not last as long. It just doesn't seem to be as hardened a steel.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    jbohio wrote: »
    Yep. My wife will be out of town, no plans.
    I will be in touch later.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »

    It looks like me and JB will be here next weekend. They have berms at 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, and 600 yards. After that, they got steel at 1000 yards. Neither of us has ever shot at any real distance before. Any advice from you long range folks?
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,077 Senior Member
    Aim high.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    My 7STW has me aiming almost 17' high at 1000 yards. Other than that, second place goes to my .338 Win mag using 250gr match bullets-- at almost 27' high. Guess which one delivers more energy to the target at that distance?
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,077 Senior Member
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Got the printouts from there already. Which one at 1000 yards? 168gr 7STW or 250gr .338 Win mag? How about I phrase this differently.... How much should you envy me because I got a hot 7 and you don't? And sorry Razorbacker, a 280AI isn't even close.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,077 Senior Member
    Do you REALLY want to go there?

    ;-)

    And no, the .280 AI can't touch the STW.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    I spent a lot of hours there at the Hornady site the other night. A .260 with heavy bullets is damn impressive. Fast 7's with heavy bullets are insane after 500 yards. I never realized how well they worked at distance.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
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