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jbohiojbohio Senior MemberIn the sticks, OHPosts: 5,617 Senior Member
Jerm and I are planning to meet at a 1000 yard range Friday. We're both making hasty preparations for our trip. Neither of us have shot much past 400, so this could be interesting.

The range rules are that you have to qualify each rifle with a 3 MOA group, at each berm out to 400, then a 2 MOA group at each berm past 400, before moving out.

Oh, yeah, they have to be 5 shot groups, with 3 shots counted.

So, it'll be an exercise in barrel cooling with the magnums, and I'm planning on taking 5 rifles, see what they'll do. Too much?

204 and 223 varmit rifles, see how they do out to 5-600.
243 heavy, 6.5-284, and either 300RUM or 338WM to take to 1k.

All my scopes have target turrets, I'll have basic come up tables for each load.

Pointers?
Discuss.
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  • shootershooter Senior Member IllinoisPosts: 1,186 Senior Member
    You might run out of adjustment to get out that far without a canted scope base. All Four of my 1000 yard competition rifles have 20 moa scope bases.

    I also have a fast twist .223 that I shoot in 600 yard F-Class matches and it has a 20 m.o.a. base as well. Some folks accomplish the same slant
    by using the Burris Zee rings with inserts adjusted to give the scope a downward cant. Just a thought.

    e.t.a. Back in the 90's when Dick Metcalf extended his long range rifle range event to 500 meters, I had my Rem. 700 in .308 and could not get on the target
    at 500 meters. Ran out of vertical adjustment. That's when I learned of a 20 m.o.a. scope base and it's application.
    There's no such thing as having too much ammo, unless you're on fire or trying to swim!
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member In the sticks, OHPosts: 5,617 Senior Member
    Good point. Hadn't considered that. Crap.

    I know I'll be fine with the RUM, and should be with the 6.5.

    Guess I'll just have to find out.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    I am running with Sightron Mil-dot scopes where the distance between dots run 3.6" from center to center at 100 yards. They call them Mil-rads? How does this compare to mils and minutes? I will be taking my .204, .308, 7STW, and .338 Win mag.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • BufordBuford Senior Member CA. Beach citiesPosts: 6,722 Senior Member
    Good luck to you guys. The furthest I have ever played is 700 yards.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member In the sticks, OHPosts: 5,617 Senior Member
    Looks like I'll need 33MOA for the 243 at 1k, and 23 MOA for the RUM.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,077 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    I am running with Sightron Mil-dot scopes where the distance between dots run 3.6" from center to center at 100 yards. They call them Mil-rads? How does this compare to mils and minutes?

    1 mil (mil radian) is 3.6" (1 MOA=1.047" @ 100yrds) at 100 yards.

    1 mil is 7.2" at 200 yards. 1 MOA = 2.09" at 200 yards.

    1 mil is 10.8" at 300 yards. 1 MOA = 3.1" at 300 yards.

    So forth and so on. They both double at each 100 yard mark.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Central MNPosts: 14,673 Senior Member
    Bring some .22's to shoot while barrels cool and some crazy glue for your nose. I have not shot past 200 so I am no help other than to say make sure your scopes and bases are on tight.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,077 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 wrote: »
    Bring some .22's to shoot while barrels cool and some crazy glue for your nose.

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    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member In the sticks, OHPosts: 5,617 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 wrote: »
    Bring some .22's to shoot while barrels cool and some crazy glue for your nose. I have not shot past 200 so I am no help other than to say make sure your scopes and bases are on tight.
    Funny guy! :tooth:

    Did you ever get that Kimber shooting right?

    And, it's forehead. Getting a good bit of scar tissue built up, doesn't hurt much, but bleeds easy.

    Speaking of, Bud asked me today if you guys ever heard anything about the crazy ski lady.
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member In the sticks, OHPosts: 5,617 Senior Member
    No advise, but jealous! Where are you guys going?

    This place. Come on up!
    http://www.hillsideshootingsports.com/rifle-range.html
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    1 mil (mil radian) is 3.6" (1 MOA=1.047" @ 100yrds) at 100 yards.

    1 mil is 7.2" at 200 yards. 1 MOA = 2.09" at 200 yards.

    1 mil is 10.8" at 300 yards. 1 MOA = 3.1" at 300 yards.

    So forth and so on. They both double at each 100 yard mark.
    Using my handy dandy Hornady cheat sheet...
    http://www.hornady.com/ballistics-resource/ballistics-calculator
    ...this would mean that if I am sighted in at 200 yards, and wanted to shoot at 400 and my cheat sheet says the bullet drops 3.4 mils, would I go 3 dots down and then dial my scope down another 4-1/10 mil clicks?
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,077 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    Using my handy dandy Hornady cheat sheet...
    http://www.hornady.com/ballistics-resource/ballistics-calculator
    ...this would mean that if I am sighted in at 200 yards, and wanted to shoot at 400 and my cheat sheet says the bullet drops 3.4 mils, would I go 3 dots down and then dial my scope down another 4-1/10 mil clicks?

    You would hold UP 3.5 mils (using your MK1 Eyeball for the half) or hold 3 and dial UP 4/10th mil (if your turrets are 1/10 Mil).
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member In the sticks, OHPosts: 5,617 Senior Member
    Tempting. Only a little over 2 hrs from my parents' house...if I had a bit more notice I might actually take you guys up on the offer.

    Get your butt to C-bus, I'll take you the rest of the way.

    Chicken!
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Tempting. Only a little over 2 hrs from my parents' house...if I had a bit more notice I might actually take you guys up on the offer.
    Like JB said-- Let's try to make this happen. I am heading south on I-69 the whole way from Flint, MI if you will be anywhere near there. Bring your Savage, CZ, neither, or both. You can shoot our rifles if you want, or I can even load you up some .223 or .308 for your rifles-- just let me know!
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Central MNPosts: 14,673 Senior Member
    jbohio wrote: »
    Funny guy! :tooth:

    Did you ever get that Kimber shooting right?

    And, it's forehead. Getting a good bit of scar tissue built up, doesn't hurt much, but bleeds easy.

    Speaking of, Bud asked me today if you guys ever heard anything about the crazy ski lady.

    It has rained like 10" since the last time I even got to the range, but the Kimber is improved since everything is tight. How many times have you hit that spot on your head? Your going to have to start wearing a cup on your head. Last time I talked to MHS, he had not heard a thing, I assume she paid the ticket and was done with it.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member In the sticks, OHPosts: 5,617 Senior Member
    It's only a 7 hour drive. Crash here, we'll hit the Thurman. Easy Street. Happy Greek Greek. Barleys. Skyline.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Dang it you guys! I'll check into some things tomorrow, there's a slim chance I might be able to make it happen.
    I know you got rifles. I got .308 and .223 brass. Here is what I got...
    Powder...
    RL7
    RL10
    Varget
    CFE223
    BLC2
    H335
    H4198
    IMR4198
    H4895
    Benchmark

    .223 Bullets
    50gr Vmax
    55gr Vmax
    misc 55gr FMJ
    a handful of 70 gr Speer SP's I wouldn't mind using up

    .308
    Just about everything, but notably for target work...
    SMK 168-190gr
    Amax 168gr 175gr

    I also have CCI large and small benchrest primers. I can seat them long and bring my hand press and dies along and we can seat them to your rifles at the range. If ammo is your issue, give me some recipes that you want to try.

    I also found a new box of 7mm 175gr SMK's for my STW. Unfortunately, I only have 12 empty brass cases. Oh well, they are getting loaded. Other than that, I got 5 of the 150gr factory powerpoints left, and 60 168gr Berger VLD's from the factory stuff I bought.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member WyomingPosts: 8,566 Senior Member
    Looking forward to hearing how this goes for you guys.
    Details, details, details!
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Fort Wayne, IN forecast for Friday:
    84 degrees, partly cloudy, 5mph wind. Looking good so far.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member In the sticks, OHPosts: 5,617 Senior Member
    I have a whole bunch of brass prepped. Tomorrow I load. I might make it to the lgs, I'll look for some heavy .224 bullets.

    Chris,

    I have 40, 50, & 55 gr vmax, 223 bullets. I'll have 100 of my 40gr load, it's screaming.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,077 Senior Member
    Wish I could go.

    To shoot with you guys and to kick Jerm in the yams for making me spend money.

    :-)
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Wish I could go.

    To shoot with you guys and to kick Jerm in the yams for making me spend money.

    :-)
    Just don't kick my butt. You might be there for a spell. Has that shipment that you spent money on come in yet?
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,077 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    Just don't kick my butt. You might be there for a spell. Has that shipment that you spent money on come in yet?

    Will be here Friday.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • wookiewookie Member oregonPosts: 128 Member
    dang it the one time alot of members are in the area I hang out in and i'm at home for the week.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Wookie-- If this pans out, I am sure we will be doing it again and there will be a lot more notice.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Pensacola, FLPosts: 10,838 Senior Member
    I should have been able to go. Every line where I work is down the 4th, and 5th.......... Except mine!

    We are at the end of a two month overhaul. Supposed to be running July 1st, but the electricians can't figure out where they have messed up the wiring, We have to work Friday now....... and probably Saturday and Sunday too.
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Alpha-- No dice on 60-70gr .224 bullets, but I did get a box of 75gr Amax's.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member WyomingPosts: 8,566 Senior Member
    Give me a list of the bullets you want.
    I may just have some, but I won't be able to get to them until after the 4th.
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Ernie-- Between what we are loading, the factory ammo we are bringing, and 2 other shooters (to be sure that it is not trigger puller error) we should be able to find something that that rifle likes to eat. We will keep you posted.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member In the sticks, OHPosts: 5,617 Senior Member
    Yeah, I figure we'll let Chris have some quality time with the 204's. That'll dispel any doubt about the trigger puller.
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