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Do you see an increase in self defense shootings?

samzheresamzhere Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
It seems that nearly every other day, I'll see a news story "Store owner shoots and kills armed robber."

I've got no data or proof to back this up, but I seem to see a trend in the increase of self defense shootings, mostly home invasion or small store robbery defense. These are of course Houston and the general Texas area here where I've notice more stories in the news about this.

Maybe it's just being reported more, or maybe there is a genuine increase. We do know for certain that more people are arming themselves and this may just be the result.

Do you notice any sort of up or down trend in this where you live?


  • TeachTeach Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    I believe that people are more willing to defend themselves, and another factor might be a reluctance to dial 911 and take their chances on getting gunned down by a bunch of trigger-happy cowboys with badges and immunity from prosecution.
  • samzheresamzhere Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    People [my] may not be reluctant to call 911 but they know if they wait for the police to respond, they might be dead.

    Yeah, that's how I see it too. They don't fear the cops but they do seem to be understanding the saying "When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away"

    We had another fatal shooting, home defense, just overnight here. A woman was breaking into an apartment and the resident fired and killed her. No charges will be filed. And this is exactly the sort of story I'm reading more and more.
  • NNNN Posts: 25,236 Senior Member
    I think all the different gun related issues lately just makes
    the media more apt to report such happenings.
  • gunrunner428gunrunner428 Posts: 1,018 Senior Member
    I think it is happening more AND being reported more. Any shooting of any kind is big news these days.

    I tend to agree. In this day and age information is much quicker to come by and we're flooded with it - between the various cable news sources and internet-based reporting, coupled with the ready access to information by cell phone, laptop, or other personal device, a lot more of the stories are coming to light.

    Couple that with the growing understanding that you have to be responsible for your own safety, despite what the gun-control advocates try to push, and more people are becoming more knowledgeable, better equipped, and more ready to take necessary action to defend themselves and loved ones. Videos like the recent nanny-cam home invasion, other tragic incidents of defenseless citizens at the mercy of ever more ruthless and merciless thugs, really are making a lot of otherwise hesitant folks take steps to provide for their own security.

    We need much more publicity like this. Best deterrent to the predators of the world is to realize that some "prey" does fight back. And wins. And that segment, hopefully, is growing.
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Posts: 12,429 Senior Member

    We cant take the law into our own hands but we do have to be our own first line of defense.

    Bingo. Be an active participant in your own rescue.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • bisleybisley Posts: 10,815 Senior Member
    We will be hearing it a lot more from a lot of different sources if the influx of new gun owners causes more people to do it badly.
  • lightkeeperlightkeeper Posts: 168 Member
    All of the above are contributing factors.
    More people have become gun owners and are refusing to be victims. Cut backs in police budgets resulting in longer response times making it necessary for more people to have to defend themselves. More responsible reporting of the use of firearms to protect their homes & business.
    Long term effects of the bad economy in many places have resulted in more home invasions and robbery attempts, therefore more defensive actions.
  • samzheresamzhere Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Just yesterday we had another home defense shooting. 3 thugs broke into a home, the resident (wife and children were also there) grabbed his handgun, shot and killed 2 of the 3, the other escaped. Not bad, eh?
  • samzheresamzhere Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    A coworker of mine called 911 at 6am one morning. Three people trying to break in to his home. One through the side door and two through a back slider. The response time was 25 minuets. By that time he had chased them off just by showing his gun. Fortunately they never made it in the house so he did not have to shoot. But had they entered, it all would have been over before the police arrived.

    A half hour for 911? Wow. We've got about 4-5 min here, but of course this is midtown Houston and our neighborhood is a very energetic (read: they vote and complain) group and so the first responders are pretty fast.

    Nevertheless, that 5 min is not fast enough, as we all know. For a home invasion, you are your own first responder.
  • gunrunner428gunrunner428 Posts: 1,018 Senior Member
    I agree with cpj. Two minutes for response time or two hours, the action is over before the police will get there more often than not.

    If reports of longer waiting times for a police response push more fence-sitters towards taking personal responsibility for their safety, it's still good.
  • samzheresamzhere Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Cutbacks have ZERO to do with the fact that the only person responsible for you, is, you.
    It annoys me to no end to hear someone say" with these police cutbacks, who is going to protect me?"

    Absolutely correct, cp!
  • Dr. dbDr. db Posts: 1,541 Senior Member
    If the statistic of firearms being used 2.5 million times per year to deter crime are correct then there would be nearly 7,000 uses per day. If even a small percentage of those are shootings then there may be several per day. Perhaps social media has just made it easier for regular people to report?
  • samzheresamzhere Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Possibly, Dr. But I was referring mostly to press accounts, either newspapers or TV/radio news coverage.

    We had yet another 2 self defense shootings the past couple days, one where the person being attacked was shot and killed anyway, the other where the defender was successful and rendered his attacker toward room temperature status.
  • Dr. dbDr. db Posts: 1,541 Senior Member
    I would have to REALLY look at the location and content of the reports. Ever since the homeless disappeared, if you went by the number of reports on them in the media, as soon as Clinton was elected I tend to check for an agenda behind the total number of reports. Could be they have, what we would term, a good bias. Could be they are trying to portray the rest of the nation, the places without gun control, as trigger happy. You or I would watch or read these accounts and cheer for Joe and Sally homeowner where others, those with hoplophobia or another social disease, might have a completely different conclusion. "Oh those poor burglars got killed. All they were doing is trying to feed the drug habit created by an unjust society. How could a person kill another over things." Literally. There are literally people in our society whose attitudes are that opposite what you or I would believe.
  • TeachTeach Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    "Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet."

  • samzheresamzhere Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Wow, Dr. and Teach, goin' all smart on me, quoting Greek & Latin stuff, kind of pot-stirring, y'know... (just kidding)
  • Dr. dbDr. db Posts: 1,541 Senior Member
    I had to look it up. Best translation: Kill them all. God knows his own.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Wow, Dr. and Teach, goin' all smart on me, quoting Greek & Latin stuff, kind of pot-stirring, y'know... (just kidding)[/QUOTE/]

    Its OK, its medical ! (joke)
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
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