I can see Earl's point as I've read quite a bit of stuff that was presented in an authoritative manner because of the writers position that was way off base and actually opinion that was presented as fact. Some guy named Zumbo comes to mind. I've also seen no shortage of postings on this forum that were based on opinion rather than fact. Some of those postings were offered by folks that felt that they gained credibility by a large post count rather than experience.
Don't forget Metcalf....talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. He was a dipstick firearms "Expert?" of the highest order. He got what he deserved for siding with the gungrabbers.
Huh...can't use the guy's first name.
Can't use Richard? Strange. I kinda missed the Richard Metcalf story and only came upon it from a different angle. I know he came out in favor of limiting Amendment 2, but how much?
Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
Remember, this very forum exist because of the generosity of Guns & Ammo magazine and I appreciate it.
Not saying everything they or any gun rag prints is the Gospel. All the scribes are as different as we are and have their own opinions.
Printed media is difficult these days obviously competing with the Internet where almost everything is instantaneous, new news is old news and dated before it can go to print. I enjoy both methods of delivery.
If I see an article on say my beloved .44 S&W Special, I flip right to it and may ignore the latest Tacticool AR offering. I have my preferences too. :guns: :guns:
It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
I gave up on the gun rags, its the same old rehash. Every issue has at least two articles on the 1911 or an AR. There is one almost interesting article then the rest is an advertisement. I'll save my money and get an interesting book to read.
As for crapper material...you guys need to eat better.
I like the "I have this old gun" article in American Rifleman magazine. The rest is politics and pleas for contributions. Fact is, the gun mags MUST rehash because there's only a few new guns that come out each year, so they continue to hit the same topics. Over and over again.
Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
...would give a brief summation of the author's credentials to let you know what their experience is in firearms. Are they military, ex-LE, gunsmith, what? It would be nice to know what their point of view is when reading their articles so you know what sort of bias they might be bringing to the table.
Thoughts?
They are all in the bag to the gun companies. You will never ser a negative review from them.
I just use them for specs/facts/pictures. I do enjoy stories on old guns b/c the writers seem free to print what they really want.
The only gun magazine i get is American Rifleman, the only other mags i consider wroth while today are Handloader and Rifle.
JAY
One wonders why you even come here to the Guns&Ammo website.
I used to get Handloader and Rifle but that stopped last year because they actually focus on stuff that is not very much of interest to me; they mainly talk about old cartridges, guns and stories.
On the other hand, I get Guns&Ammo, Rifleshooter and Shooting Times on Kindle and have been for years. I like Shooting Times because it has some techy articles about ballistics and other things that probably baffle you. RifleShooter has some great stories, not all the time, but frequently enough and I like to keep up with new gadgets and application. Guns&Ammo is definitely mainstream trying to appeal to every taste, but I find at least one or two interesting articles in every issue.
It was always fun when my friend Greg Rodriguez penned his articles and his sudden loss soon followed by another writer whom I followed, J. Guthrie, was a shock but the show must go on and these publications have done a good job of that.
So go ahead, piss and moan, ad state that you ignore them all, but note that I for one, do not agree with you at all.
Y'all realize some of you are arguing over a 3 1/2 year old thread, right?
Hey, it's a new year....we need new arguments :yesno: :yesno:
Of course, some are almost timeless like Winchester vs Marlin, the .270 vs any caliber, .45 vs 9mm, revolver or semi pistol, Ford vs Chevy or which way does the toilet paper roll go in the holder. :tooth: :roll2: :roll2:
It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
...would give a brief summation of the author's credentials to let you know what their experience is in firearms. Are they military, ex-LE, gunsmith, what? It would be nice to know what their point of view is when reading their articles so you know what sort of bias they might be bringing to the table.
Thoughts?
I've been writing for a local outdoor magazine for the last year and wouldn't mind to fulfill such request; currently my credential is being a life-long "gun nut".
One wonders why you even come here to the Guns&Ammo website.
I used to get Handloader and Rifle but that stopped last year because they actually focus on stuff that is not very much of interest to me; they mainly talk about old cartridges, guns and stories.
On the other hand, I get Guns&Ammo, Rifleshooter and Shooting Times on Kindle and have been for years. I like Shooting Times because it has some techy articles about ballistics and other things that probably baffle you. RifleShooter has some great stories, not all the time, but frequently enough and I like to keep up with new gadgets and application. Guns&Ammo is definitely mainstream trying to appeal to every taste, but I find at least one or two interesting articles in every issue.
It was always fun when my friend Greg Rodriguez penned his articles and his sudden loss soon followed by another writer whom I followed, J. Guthrie, was a shock but the show must go on and these publications have done a good job of that.
So go ahead, piss and moan, ad state that you ignore them all, but note that I for one, do not agree with you at all.
I also subscribe to G&A/ RifleShooter/ Guns/ Handgunner and Shooting times. I like to read magazines.
Can't use Richard? Strange. I kinda missed the Richard Metcalf story and only came upon it from a different angle. I know he came out in favor of limiting Amendment 2, but how much?
He went by the first name...D**K and his middle name was Head I believe.
The subjection of someone or something to contemptuous and dismissive language or behaviour.
"he is held up as an object of................................
mockery, derision, laughter, scorn, scoffing, contempt, jeering, sneering, sneers, jibes, jibing, joking, teasing, taunts, taunting, ragging, chaffing, twitting, raillery, sarcasm, satire, lampoon, burlesque, caricature, parody.
I see some feathers were ruffled by my defense of our hosts. Well, that's hard cheese.
Anyway the latest issues of G&A and RifleShooter rolled into my tablet overnight and I was perusing them during the night. I skip many of the articles, but I did stop to read the comparison of the 338LM to the 338RUM and the one on the 6CM. I will be reading the one on LR shooting this evening.
I also scrolled through G&A and noticed that RCBS has a new version of the Chargemaster, single unit, same price.
Sure, you can get the information at the websites, but this is more fun and aggregates the news for me. And the price and availability of Kindle magazines is perfect for me. I get all my books and magazines through Kindle. The ultimate in convenience.
Plenty to criticize, but glad we have gun rags. They have to make moola to survive. You can't please everybody and some will complain if they were hung with a gold rope!
I subscribe to Guns & Ammo, Shooting Times, American Rifleman as my mainstays and occasionally a couple others. I even like the Dillon mini-flyer that I get every month, usually a couple good write-ups inside on different model guns I find well worth reading, free BTW.
Don't fergit there is one magazine/report that takes no advertising.... Gun Test, but you will have to dig into your britches pockets and pay for that type evaluation.
Then there is YouTube........a few really good you-tubers out there like Hickok 45, but most are very biased personal opinions best taken with a grain of salt.
And last, but not least, is this place.............. you are reading right now.............where fer free you can get biased opinions on just about every gun on the market, an earful or is that eyeful from real life folks who aren't afraid to tell you like it is/was from their personal perspective.
Honestly, not a gun bashing place because most on here will give guns and companies a chance to prove their worthiness and doesn't allow folks to make accusations/claims (good or bad) they can't back up.
It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
I subscribe to 4 from our hosts
do I get a gold star.
Yep, but will it erase the Red/Black stars Mrs Clean puts next to your name on the board at home?
It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
Who knew.............maybe the guy grinning like a Jackass in a briar-patch :jester:
It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
Plenty to criticize, but glad we have gun rags. They have to make moola to survive. You can't please everybody and some will complain if they were hung with a gold rope!
I subscribe to Guns & Ammo, Shooting Times, American Rifleman as my mainstays and occasionally a couple others. I even like the Dillon mini-flyer that I get every month, usually a couple good write-ups inside on different model guns I find well worth reading, free BTW.
Don't fergit there is one magazine/report that takes no advertising.... Gun Test, but you will have to dig into your britches pockets and pay for that type evaluation.
Then there is YouTube........a few really good you-tubers out there like Hickok 45, but most are very biased personal opinions best taken with a grain of salt.
And last, but not least, is this place.............. you are reading right now.............where fer free you can get biased opinions on just about every gun on the market, an earful or is that eyeful from real life folks who aren't afraid to tell you like it is/was from their personal perspective.
Honestly, not a gun bashing place because most on here will give guns and companies a chance to prove their worthiness and doesn't allow folks to make accusations/claims (good or bad) they can't back up.
Yep, agreed. One can always criticize the magazines; I've done so more than once and will continue to do so. But at least we do have something to criticize. And they let us come here and rant.
I have a subscription to G&A and I will confess that was not the case for may years. But the issues I'm getting today are substantially better than the ones from years ago where the magazine had turned into a thin, cheaply produced color glossy sales circular of shooting supplies. Today's magazine is a full content, quality materials, worth keeping journal. The articles are good and informative and while you will not get the HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE banter and rivalries that filled the magazine in the time of Keith and O'Connor you will get a lot of more objective information and quality reviews.
When we discussed the topic of gun magazines being shills for gun companies I believe Dan J years ago explained it rather well. I believe he said it would be unfair for a gun writer to tear apart a firearm or piece of gear based on his personal opinion, and failures to perform are noted in reviews but they will not prompt a writer or reviewer to condemn the item. In his opinion it was not fair to doom a product based on one example or one guy's personal opinions. So they leave it up to the reader to decide if they need this piece of gear or if the failure is enough to discourage them from buying. As it should be...
Yes I miss Keith's fiery opinionated writings and yes I believe O'Connors misguided love for the .270 made for highly entertaining reading (:tooth:) but I'd rather read those back copies fondly for the entertainment they provided and enjoy the more informative/objective articles of today.
Yes, the quality of the publications, especially G&A and Shootings Times has increased in recent years. Shooting Times has become more technical, which I like and G&A covers a broader range of topics, but has not been as "fanboyish" (if that's even a word,) as it used to be. As for RifleShooter, that has long been my favorite and it's kept up its long record of quality. It's only every other month, but it's a treat when it come in.
Yep, understood about not flaming a bad product based on one's single experience, but I also appreciate not fawning over something that the writer just did not like or appreciate. It's certainly possible it was a bad unit or the use of it was not what the writer expected, but that's still a data point and others may report differently. Opinions vary and some carry more weight than others and that's also a data point.
And there's simply no possible excuse for the corrupted devotion for the .270.
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Huh...can't use the guy's first name.
Not saying everything they or any gun rag prints is the Gospel. All the scribes are as different as we are and have their own opinions.
Printed media is difficult these days obviously competing with the Internet where almost everything is instantaneous, new news is old news and dated before it can go to print. I enjoy both methods of delivery.
If I see an article on say my beloved .44 S&W Special, I flip right to it and may ignore the latest Tacticool AR offering. I have my preferences too. :guns: :guns:
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
As for crapper material...you guys need to eat better.
They are all in the bag to the gun companies. You will never ser a negative review from them.
I just use them for specs/facts/pictures. I do enjoy stories on old guns b/c the writers seem free to print what they really want.
One wonders why you even come here to the Guns&Ammo website.
I used to get Handloader and Rifle but that stopped last year because they actually focus on stuff that is not very much of interest to me; they mainly talk about old cartridges, guns and stories.
On the other hand, I get Guns&Ammo, Rifleshooter and Shooting Times on Kindle and have been for years. I like Shooting Times because it has some techy articles about ballistics and other things that probably baffle you. RifleShooter has some great stories, not all the time, but frequently enough and I like to keep up with new gadgets and application. Guns&Ammo is definitely mainstream trying to appeal to every taste, but I find at least one or two interesting articles in every issue.
It was always fun when my friend Greg Rodriguez penned his articles and his sudden loss soon followed by another writer whom I followed, J. Guthrie, was a shock but the show must go on and these publications have done a good job of that.
So go ahead, piss and moan, ad state that you ignore them all, but note that I for one, do not agree with you at all.
Would it make you feel better if i left ?
JAY
It would not make an iota of a difference.
Hey, it's a new year....we need new arguments :yesno: :yesno:
Of course, some are almost timeless like Winchester vs Marlin, the .270 vs any caliber, .45 vs 9mm, revolver or semi pistol, Ford vs Chevy or which way does the toilet paper roll go in the holder. :tooth: :roll2: :roll2:
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
The thread may be 3.5 years old, but the comment that blew off the hosts of this site was made yesterday. Try to pay attention. :hug:
And for the record, the .270 is a very useful caliber serving a great purpose. Being the well deserving butt of jokes.
I've been writing for a local outdoor magazine for the last year and wouldn't mind to fulfill such request; currently my credential is being a life-long "gun nut".
I also subscribe to G&A/ RifleShooter/ Guns/ Handgunner and Shooting times. I like to read magazines.
He went by the first name...D**K and his middle name was Head I believe.
You sit yourself right back down their, young fellow-me-lad.
"It" is just being a slightly bigger plonker than we previously thought "It" could be.
Richard Cephalus.
The subjection of someone or something to contemptuous and dismissive language or behaviour.
"he is held up as an object of................................
mockery, derision, laughter, scorn, scoffing, contempt, jeering, sneering, sneers, jibes, jibing, joking, teasing, taunts, taunting, ragging, chaffing, twitting, raillery, sarcasm, satire, lampoon, burlesque, caricature, parody.
But not ridicule.:tooth:
This.
Though I personally never placed a limit on It's plonkiness. It knows no bounds.
Anyway the latest issues of G&A and RifleShooter rolled into my tablet overnight and I was perusing them during the night. I skip many of the articles, but I did stop to read the comparison of the 338LM to the 338RUM and the one on the 6CM. I will be reading the one on LR shooting this evening.
I also scrolled through G&A and noticed that RCBS has a new version of the Chargemaster, single unit, same price.
Sure, you can get the information at the websites, but this is more fun and aggregates the news for me. And the price and availability of Kindle magazines is perfect for me. I get all my books and magazines through Kindle. The ultimate in convenience.
I subscribe to Guns & Ammo, Shooting Times, American Rifleman as my mainstays and occasionally a couple others. I even like the Dillon mini-flyer that I get every month, usually a couple good write-ups inside on different model guns I find well worth reading, free BTW.
Don't fergit there is one magazine/report that takes no advertising.... Gun Test, but you will have to dig into your britches pockets and pay for that type evaluation.
Then there is YouTube........a few really good you-tubers out there like Hickok 45, but most are very biased personal opinions best taken with a grain of salt.
And last, but not least, is this place.............. you are reading right now.............where fer free you can get biased opinions on just about every gun on the market, an earful or is that eyeful from real life folks who aren't afraid to tell you like it is/was from their personal perspective.
Honestly, not a gun bashing place because most on here will give guns and companies a chance to prove their worthiness and doesn't allow folks to make accusations/claims (good or bad) they can't back up.
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
Actually, being your pompous Jackass self does that.
do I get a gold star.
Just your discourtesy.
Churlish...............undeniably.
Yep, but will it erase the Red/Black stars Mrs Clean puts next to your name on the board at home?
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
Jackass is capitalized? Who knew!?
Who knew.............maybe the guy grinning like a Jackass in a briar-patch :jester:
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
Yep, agreed. One can always criticize the magazines; I've done so more than once and will continue to do so. But at least we do have something to criticize. And they let us come here and rant.
Yes, the quality of the publications, especially G&A and Shootings Times has increased in recent years. Shooting Times has become more technical, which I like and G&A covers a broader range of topics, but has not been as "fanboyish" (if that's even a word,) as it used to be. As for RifleShooter, that has long been my favorite and it's kept up its long record of quality. It's only every other month, but it's a treat when it come in.
Yep, understood about not flaming a bad product based on one's single experience, but I also appreciate not fawning over something that the writer just did not like or appreciate. It's certainly possible it was a bad unit or the use of it was not what the writer expected, but that's still a data point and others may report differently. Opinions vary and some carry more weight than others and that's also a data point.
And there's simply no possible excuse for the corrupted devotion for the .270.