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why are you concerned with fuel? 3 days, 2 packs... from exper, alcohol stoves are better on paper than in use. Again, better things out there. Carry 3 16oz isopro cans and you can cook for a while.
Packs are another thing. You need real packs. Figure 100.00 at a min on sale. Internal or external, your choice.
mine = http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___88682 Remember, you dont need to fill a 75L pack, but you can't add to a 45L if it is winter. Make sure it fits.
Get a drybag (50L) for inside the pack. Keeps you stuff dry.
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I am a big fan of the quick dry pants that zip at the knee. They are light and they dry quick. For 3 days, bring undies and socks and a extra t-shirt.
It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
Give you a idea of what my pack looks like. I do carry extra crap because I am going with kids. For example, I will carry a extra tarp, extra rope, and at least one extra meal on a 4-5 day trip.
Pack, Appalachian 75L
Top:
Rain gear, TP, map, extra sunglasses, and cheaters, head lamp
Right side pocket:
Fire kit in a small peanut butter jar. Includes; striker, John Wayne (p38) can opener, pill bottle with 5 cotton balls Vaselined, Zippo, small spare knife, small bag of tinder, Zippo fuel, in a small dry bag, (1AA flashlight, MP3 player, small camera stash keys and wallet in there)
Left side pocket:
In a dry bag. Water tablets, straw type purifier, space blanket, 2AA Mag light, notebook, pencil, First aid kit consisting of, travel sewing kit with micro scissors, ½ in med tape, 3 3x3 gauze pads, band aids, benedryl stick, moleskin, Neosporin, germicide hand cleaner, and 3 one use super glue
Rear pocket
Katadyn Hiker Pro water filter, 2-40’ 550 cord, bag with container of Dawn and ½ dish sponge. SPF Irish (110 by Banana Boat) and bug spray.
Main bag
Freezer bag with 1 pair socks, 1 t shirt, and 1 set of undies.
That pretty well covers the ALWAYS load.
Depending on how I am going, warm weather hammock or cool weather tent makes all the difference.
Sleeping bag pocket.
Cool weather, 30deg sleeping bag, warm weather long trip, food and cook set. 5 days worth will fit. Very cold weather clothes and food.
Main bag.
In a 55L dry bag,
Very bottom, emergency drawers (from above) and a garbage bag.
Bag personal stuff, Alieve, aspirin, Tums, drugs, toothbrush, spray bottle scope outlast or Listerine strips (coons love toothpaste) bottle with qtips, razor, deodorant, 2 neckerchiefs, more tp.
Cool/cold weather; tent, (poles go outside) clothes (compressed in a dry bag, 1 socks per day + spare, undies per day, tshirts as needed, spare polypro shirt with long johns for sleeping, knit hat and or silk balaclava for chilly nights), food, cookset. Foam sleeping pad strapped under the pack. Cold, zero deg bag is strapped on top. (try to avoid this,,,,, needing a zero deg bag)
Warm: hammock, bug net, tarp, clothes about the same, 50deg fleece bag, might throw a wool blanket in, If we are canoeing, hiking boots because I wear crocs in the canoe. Long distance canoeing, the boots go in a separate dry bag in the boat.
Outside, I will put tent poles if I am taking a tent, sleeping pad, you need insulation from the ground in the cold, big sleeping bag if I need it, sometimes I will hang a little (4 in) kerosene lantern on the back, and I will hang the tomahawk on there.
Yes there are 3 flashlights
It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
Stove-wise I think I have narrowed it down to an alcohol stove because fuel is easy to come by, it is lightweight and totally reusable and packable. The primus stoves are nice but I can see problems finding fuel. Wood is the end fuel if no alcohol is available. Plus I see advantages in carry around a bit of alcohol to fuel it. Something like this:
Now I need a cook set to drop it into.
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What about something like this, a couple of these should last you 3 days I would think.
Another thing I don't see mentioned....Ramen Noodles....were a staple in my pack for years...cheap, light, loaded with carbs, easy to prepare in a canteen cup...
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While I like the idea of that stove, two hours burn time might make six meals. While I am thinking 72 hours, clearly you cannot plan the future, so anything that could extend that time out from there is a bonus. Alcohol would be an excellent sterilizer, coolant if necessary and fuel all in one and the stove would be reusable for a very long time.
D
"A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
That's a glorified can of Sterno. Neat design, though.
The MSR stoves are NICE. Makes heat posthaste. Only issue is the fuel. Once it's out, it's out. At least with the Trangia style stove, you can use denatured alcohol, or Heet fuel additive. Or maybe other flamable liquids. But I view a stove as a backup to fire.
I view fire as a backup to a stove in South Florida. In my head I want a small signature, no smoke, just enough to eat or drink safely and then be on my way. Very seldom do we need a fire in South Florida, except for mosquitos, or heat in winter on the worst nights. We occasionally have a night time low of 29 F once every three years or so.
D
"A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
While I like the idea of that stove, two hours burn time might make six meals. While I am thinking 72 hours, clearly you cannot plan the future, so anything that could extend that time out from there is a bonus. Alcohol would be an excellent sterilizer, coolant if necessary and fuel all in one and the stove would be reusable for a very long time.
D
Well after the gel burns out, you can drop some of these in the can. Much lighter then carrying liquid.
..... when on this http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___87758
Uses any isopro fuel canister.
The good, it all nests inside the cookset with a mini bic lighter, the bad, you need isopro canisters and you cannot start the stove with a striker, you need flame. However, I did the 107 mile canoe trip cooking all but 2 meals, and still have most of a tank left. One large tank would hold 3 people for 3 days.
I have a MSR Pocket Rocket stove and it lights very easily with a striker. No steady flame required.
My pick for a emergency use stove would be the MSR DragonFly stove. It will burn using white gas, kerosene, diesel, automotive gas, aviation gas, stoddard solvent and naphtha.
While I like the idea of that stove, two hours burn time might make six meals. While I am thinking 72 hours, clearly you cannot plan the future, so anything that could extend that time out from there is a bonus. Alcohol would be an excellent sterilizer, coolant if necessary and fuel all in one and the stove would be reusable for a very long time.
D
You need to pack food to save fuel. In that list of meals I posted, not one takes more than 2c water. If you are the patient sort, you can even just boil the water, dump it in the stroganoff and wait. I tend to be a little hungry by chow time so I have learned to simmer with my stove.
Research food. If you go Mountain house, they are OK, and you only have to boil water. If you are going to just boil water, look for the stove to do that. If you are planning on simmering a lot, then you need a stove that will do that.
You need to take whatever you think you want camping and test it. You may love the alcohol stove, you may not. Look up pop can or pepsi can or penny stove. You can build one that works pretty well for about nothing to try before you buy one.
Remember, your guidelines were 3 days. Honestly you can get by on peanuts and dried fruit for 3 days in a real emergency. If you want to camp or be comfy, then you need to plan the meal first, then figure the stove.
It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
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why are you concerned with fuel? 3 days, 2 packs... from exper, alcohol stoves are better on paper than in use. Again, better things out there. Carry 3 16oz isopro cans and you can cook for a while.
Packs are another thing. You need real packs. Figure 100.00 at a min on sale. Internal or external, your choice.
mine = http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___88682 Remember, you dont need to fill a 75L pack, but you can't add to a 45L if it is winter. Make sure it fits.
Get a drybag (50L) for inside the pack. Keeps you stuff dry.
....................
I am a big fan of the quick dry pants that zip at the knee. They are light and they dry quick. For 3 days, bring undies and socks and a extra t-shirt.
Pack, Appalachian 75L
Top:
Rain gear, TP, map, extra sunglasses, and cheaters, head lamp
Right side pocket:
Fire kit in a small peanut butter jar. Includes; striker, John Wayne (p38) can opener, pill bottle with 5 cotton balls Vaselined, Zippo, small spare knife, small bag of tinder, Zippo fuel, in a small dry bag, (1AA flashlight, MP3 player, small camera stash keys and wallet in there)
Left side pocket:
In a dry bag. Water tablets, straw type purifier, space blanket, 2AA Mag light, notebook, pencil, First aid kit consisting of, travel sewing kit with micro scissors, ½ in med tape, 3 3x3 gauze pads, band aids, benedryl stick, moleskin, Neosporin, germicide hand cleaner, and 3 one use super glue
Rear pocket
Katadyn Hiker Pro water filter, 2-40’ 550 cord, bag with container of Dawn and ½ dish sponge. SPF Irish (110 by Banana Boat) and bug spray.
Main bag
Freezer bag with 1 pair socks, 1 t shirt, and 1 set of undies.
That pretty well covers the ALWAYS load.
Depending on how I am going, warm weather hammock or cool weather tent makes all the difference.
Sleeping bag pocket.
Cool weather, 30deg sleeping bag, warm weather long trip, food and cook set. 5 days worth will fit. Very cold weather clothes and food.
Main bag.
In a 55L dry bag,
Very bottom, emergency drawers (from above) and a garbage bag.
Bag personal stuff, Alieve, aspirin, Tums, drugs, toothbrush, spray bottle scope outlast or Listerine strips (coons love toothpaste) bottle with qtips, razor, deodorant, 2 neckerchiefs, more tp.
Cool/cold weather; tent, (poles go outside) clothes (compressed in a dry bag, 1 socks per day + spare, undies per day, tshirts as needed, spare polypro shirt with long johns for sleeping, knit hat and or silk balaclava for chilly nights), food, cookset. Foam sleeping pad strapped under the pack. Cold, zero deg bag is strapped on top. (try to avoid this,,,,, needing a zero deg bag)
Warm: hammock, bug net, tarp, clothes about the same, 50deg fleece bag, might throw a wool blanket in, If we are canoeing, hiking boots because I wear crocs in the canoe. Long distance canoeing, the boots go in a separate dry bag in the boat.
Outside, I will put tent poles if I am taking a tent, sleeping pad, you need insulation from the ground in the cold, big sleeping bag if I need it, sometimes I will hang a little (4 in) kerosene lantern on the back, and I will hang the tomahawk on there.
Yes there are 3 flashlights
What about something like this, a couple of these should last you 3 days I would think.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/CAMP-245#
-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
While I like the idea of that stove, two hours burn time might make six meals. While I am thinking 72 hours, clearly you cannot plan the future, so anything that could extend that time out from there is a bonus. Alcohol would be an excellent sterilizer, coolant if necessary and fuel all in one and the stove would be reusable for a very long time.
D
Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
I view fire as a backup to a stove in South Florida. In my head I want a small signature, no smoke, just enough to eat or drink safely and then be on my way. Very seldom do we need a fire in South Florida, except for mosquitos, or heat in winter on the worst nights. We occasionally have a night time low of 29 F once every three years or so.
D
Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
Well after the gel burns out, you can drop some of these in the can. Much lighter then carrying liquid.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/MGR-826
-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
I have a MSR Pocket Rocket stove and it lights very easily with a striker. No steady flame required.
http://www.rei.com/product/709002/msr-dragonfly-backpacking-stove
http://ninelineapparel.com/9line/Olive-100_BAG-by-9Line/SKU-BAG2/1001077-1010905
"Slow is smooth, smooth is fast, and speed is the economy of motion" - Scott Jedlinski
Research food. If you go Mountain house, they are OK, and you only have to boil water. If you are going to just boil water, look for the stove to do that. If you are planning on simmering a lot, then you need a stove that will do that.
You need to take whatever you think you want camping and test it. You may love the alcohol stove, you may not. Look up pop can or pepsi can or penny stove. You can build one that works pretty well for about nothing to try before you buy one.
Remember, your guidelines were 3 days. Honestly you can get by on peanuts and dried fruit for 3 days in a real emergency. If you want to camp or be comfy, then you need to plan the meal first, then figure the stove.