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Lodi Police Officer Shot When Child Pulled Trigger On His Gun At Reading Event
Big Chief
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Murphy's LAW will sure strike when you least expect it.
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/09/02/lodi-police-officer-shot-when-child-pulled-trigger-on-his-gun-at-reading-event/
"LODI (CBS13) — A Lodi Police SWAT officer had a Glock .35 with a flashlight in his thigh holster at a children’s reading event when a boy managed to pull the trigger and shoot the officer.
“It doesn’t have an external safety or anything like that,” said Lt. Sierra Brucia with the department. “The gun functioned how it was supposed to. When the trigger was pulled, the gun went off.”
The officer was showing off the department’s SWAT truck, vest and other gear at a children’s event called Reading Roundup on Aug. 24.
“A small child, witnesses tell us was 6 to 8 years old, was able to walk up to the officer and was able to pull the trigger.”
The bullet hit the officer’s leg. He was taken to the hospital for a minor injury and released.
The department is investigating the shooting to see if protocols or procedures need to be changed to prevent the same thing from happening again.
Officers want to find the child and his parents to piece together what went wrong.
“Hopefully, speaking to the child and the child’s parents to find out how they were able to get access to the officer’s gun, what the child’s intent may have been—we don’t know if it was accidental or unintentional.”
Police say because the gun was in a holster to accommodate the attached flashlight, the trigger was more accessible.
The officer has been on the SWAT team for about 5 years and he is back on duty "
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/09/02/lodi-police-officer-shot-when-child-pulled-trigger-on-his-gun-at-reading-event/
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/09/02/lodi-police-officer-shot-when-child-pulled-trigger-on-his-gun-at-reading-event/
"LODI (CBS13) — A Lodi Police SWAT officer had a Glock .35 with a flashlight in his thigh holster at a children’s reading event when a boy managed to pull the trigger and shoot the officer.
“It doesn’t have an external safety or anything like that,” said Lt. Sierra Brucia with the department. “The gun functioned how it was supposed to. When the trigger was pulled, the gun went off.”
The officer was showing off the department’s SWAT truck, vest and other gear at a children’s event called Reading Roundup on Aug. 24.
“A small child, witnesses tell us was 6 to 8 years old, was able to walk up to the officer and was able to pull the trigger.”
The bullet hit the officer’s leg. He was taken to the hospital for a minor injury and released.
The department is investigating the shooting to see if protocols or procedures need to be changed to prevent the same thing from happening again.
Officers want to find the child and his parents to piece together what went wrong.
“Hopefully, speaking to the child and the child’s parents to find out how they were able to get access to the officer’s gun, what the child’s intent may have been—we don’t know if it was accidental or unintentional.”
Police say because the gun was in a holster to accommodate the attached flashlight, the trigger was more accessible.
The officer has been on the SWAT team for about 5 years and he is back on duty "
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/09/02/lodi-police-officer-shot-when-child-pulled-trigger-on-his-gun-at-reading-event/
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I like that, the child's intent.
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I'm sure you'll all agree, the platform in question was in no way responsible for the
incident that occurred.
Actually, I don't agree. To my old fashioned and obsolete mindset, any partially cocked, light-triggered automatic that doesn't have an "off" switch, and cannot be de-cocked except by firing it, is intrinsically, inherently flawed, and fundamentally unsafe in all but the most experienced and anally attentive of hands, to whom firearm safety is a borderline obsessive-compulsive disorder. I know, I'm the poster boy for Neanderthal Luddites, just my opinion.
And what about double-action revolvers? My Smith & Wesson Model 66 is operated the same as my Glock G-20 (draw the gun and pull the trigger), and if anything, has an easier trigger pull. With either, you don't touch the trigger until you are ready to destroy whatever is in front of the muzzle. If a person can forget that, he can also forget to flip a lever safety.
Anal retentiveness is a requirement for the safe handing of loaded firearms.
A standard Glock trigger pull is approximately 5.5 pounds (by swapping out some parts, it can be reduced to half that). It is a rare revolver, especially a Model 66 that has a double action trigger pull that light. The usual double action pull weight on an unmodified Model 66 is 11-12 pounds (the single action pull weight is a very nice 2.5 pounds). The NYPD and some other sensible departments have specified an extra-heavy 8-12 pound trigger for their Glock pistols, even though they are to be used by trained professionals.
OK, so we agree to disagree. I'm not saying I'm right, just what's right for me. If you're cozy and comfy with a "safe action" pistol, be my guest. Be careful. Enjoy.
-Mikhail Kalashnikov
Nevermind the child getting to close to the police officer and messing with his firearm. If that is what actually happened.
Bad design?
It is no different than a revolver, other than the trigger is lighter.
It has to be treated with the respect it deserves. After all you are carrying a loaded gun....
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Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
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Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
Well freakin' horror of horrors! The safety on the venerable old 1911 cannot be engaged until the pistol is cocked either by operating the slide or cocking the hammer! And the slide cannot be operated to unload the pistol when the safety is in the ON postition. They are subject to ND when the magazine is inserted and the trigger finger is on the trigger and the slide is racked to chamber a round. This is clearly a very unsafe design due to it's being an old design not up to modern standards.
Maybe people that can't keep their finger off the trigger until they are ready to fire need to install a trigger lock on their revolvers and pistols that prevent such sillyness. They can then go to the trouble of removing it ONLY when it is necessary to fire.
Firearms safety is a habit, and habits, good or bad, are formed by repetition of the action. Concerning firearms, the habit should be so practiced as to be an unconscious action.
― Douglas Adams
The very nature of flashlights, being what they are, dictate that you mount them under the barrel, therefore, in front of the trigger guard. The holster has to be a functional thing, you can't just have a holster on your side for looks, and carry the gun in your hand (I would've thought that was obvious, but from some of the comments, I'm not sure). Since you have to be able to holster the gun with the light, then the holster must be wide enough to accommodate said target illumination device. If the front end (light) is bigger than the back end (trigger guard), then it stands to reason that there is going to be empty space when everything is in position.
This is my carry gun, a Glock 19L, wearing an Inforce APL, riding in an Aegis Armory holster. It is easy to see that from the side the holster "covers" the trigger guard just as much as any other holster should/does.
The issue however, is that from the top, to accommodate the light, there is a gap that even I can fit my fat fingers in, not to mention the digits of a small child.
Bottom line is: The cop should've been more observant and payed attention to what the kid was doing (he was touching the gun/holster for christ's saked, how do you not notice that?!!)......and the kid shouldn't have been and idiot, and kept his fingers off of stuff that he had no business touching.
You're new here, aren't you? Facts have no business in these discussions.
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I'm sorry, I wasn't thinking. I'll go stand in the corner now.
No need for standing in the corner. Let's say that the cop's situational awareness sucked badly. And is probably an example of this quote.
A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. Douglas Adams
― Douglas Adams
Those 6 year old's should know better.
So did mine, would I trust them around a gun no way. This cop was the stupid one here. It takes time to remove the temptation of playing with a gun. The curiosity of the forbidden fruit is strong. We lost the neighbor boy because he bought a friend home and got his dads Beretta removed the magazine and handed it to his friend who shot him dead. This child knew better but he did it anyway.
Of course he should know better. Even if the child had never been exposed to firearms in any way whatsoever, "Don't walk up and stick you finger into something that's hanging off of another person." seems like a pretty simple thing for a child to know.
"If it doesn't belong to you, and you haven't gotten permission, DON'T TOUCH IT" is a lesson my niece and nephew had no problem comprehending when they were three, a six year old should definitely know better.
You would think so but as shown here that don't work too well. That's why there is so much Adult supervision required when raising children.
That is very true. Apparently, none of the adults in charge of 'supervising' (the cop, the teacher and whoever else might have been there) were up to the task. When you have the stupid leading the blind, somebody is eventually going to bump into something.
The kid should have had a firm grasp of 'Don't touch' by this point. OTOH, the cop needs to know that you NEVER allow somebody to get close enough to be able to do what that kid did. Especially when you're around a group of people who are easily distracted and like as not also suffer from a lack of impulse control.
George Carlin
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