More stupidity from D.C.; empty shell casings illegal

tennmiketennmike Senior MemberPosts: 26,180 Senior Member
If you're traveling to or through Washington, D.C. you have something else to worry about. The D.C. police have been instructed to look for empty brass and plastic shotshell casings. If you're found in possession of either, you could get a $1,000 fine, a year in jail, and a criminal record. The gestapo is alive and well in the nation's capitol.

Washington police are operating under orders to arrest tourists and other non-residents traveling with spent bullet or shotgun casings, a crime that carries a $1,000 fine, a year in jail and a criminal record, according to a new book about the city's confusing gun laws.

"Empty shell casings are considered ammunition in Washington, D.C., so they are illegal to possess unless you are a resident and have a gun registration certificate," pens Emily Miller in her investigative book, "Emily Gets Her Gun: ... But Obama Wants to Take Yours."

Under the law, live or empty brass and plastic casings must be carried in a special container and unavailable to drivers. Having one, for example, in a cup holder or ash tray is illegal.

She told Secrets that the police are "under orders to arrest tourists or other legal gun owners from out of state who wouldn't think to empty brass and plastic from their cars or pockets."

In her newly debuted book about the difficulty getting a gun in Washington, known for tough anti-gun laws, D.C. Police provided Miller with a copy of a recent "roll call" advisory that tells cops to overlook spent casings in the cars and trucks of city residents who have their gun registration certificate with them when detained, despite the law.

The advisory gives the example of a used .45 cartridge in a SUV's cup holder easily seen by a cop who had pulled a District resident over for an unrelated traffic issue. "In order to comply with the law," said the July 2012 police advisory, "the cartridge case should be stored so it is not accessible from the from the passenger compartment and the driver is, in fact violating the law and could be placed under arrest for this action."

Because the driver had a copy of his District gun license, arrest was not recommended.

Tourists without that city license, however, don't get the same treatment, said Miller.

She highlights the case of Army Specialist Adam Meckler who in 2011 was arrested for coming into the city from Virginia for a meeting at the Department of Veterans' Affairs while accidentally carrying a handful of bullets — but no gun — in his backpack. As he passed through a magnetometer, a guard yelled "Cuff him!" and he was held for hours, not knowing his crime.

"People looked at me like I was a terrorist," he said, calling the incident an accident. He was prosecuted and almost lost a job because he now has a criminal record and is on the city's gun offenders list. "I felt like I was registering as a sex offender," he told Miller who noted that NBC Meet the Press host David Gregory went "scot-free" for brandishing an illegal 30-round magazine while interviewing NRA's Wayne LaPierre in the network's D.C. studios last December.

Miller, a Washington Times editor, called the D.C. law stupid. "A brass candlestick can do more harm than an empty brass casing. I often have empty casings in my bags and clothes from when they fly off at the range, or as souvenirs," she wrote.

The law covering the transport of guns, ammo, and used ammo casings was enacted in 2009 after the Supreme Court overturned the District's 30-year gun ban in 2008.

Paul Bedard, The Washington Examiner's "Washington Secrets" columnist, can be contacted at [email protected].
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,180 Senior Member
    D.C. reminds me most of a dead animal carcass covered in maggots, and each maggot jockeying for the choicest bits of putrefaction. Disgusting, vile, contemptible boil on Virginia's otherwise beautiful landscape.
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.

  • GunnerK19GunnerK19 Senior Member Posts: 1,083 Senior Member
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the fact that the case is sans bullet render it as the total opposite of "ammunition"?
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,180 Senior Member
    GunnerK19 wrote: »
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the fact that the case is sans bullet render it as the total opposite of "ammunition"?

    True, but this is about control; nothing more, and nothing less. The people of D.C. deserve the treatment of the city government they elect. On the other hand, trying to find someone in D.C. worthy of holding the office of mayor or any other elected office would be akin to trying to find a virgin in a $2 cathouse. And as productive as Diogenes walking the streets during broad daylight with a lit lamp looking for an honest man.
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.

  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    I'd be thrown under the jail if I passed through there. Empty cases, along with shotgun shells, 22 ammo, and who knows what other ammo that fell out of range bags.

    But at least DC has the lowest murder rate in the country because of these laws.:up:

    Well you'd find me waiting for you in the jail basement. We shoot at the house here now but before that we usually just went out in the Nat'l Forrest. I always just threw brass cases or shotgun hulls in the bed of the truck.

    It's easy to think, "Well, I'm glad I don't live there." But laws like that are just ridiculous. When or what is going to be some sort of tipping point in this sort of stupidity and tyranny.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,180 Senior Member
    Kind of reminds me of the story of boiling a frog. As long as you turn the heat up slowly, they don't notice until it's too late. And someone who has never known freedom doesn't know that there's something better out there. People in D.C. haven't known freedom for several decades, at least three generations, and are unaware that they are being led down the path of tyranny, one step at a time.
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.

  • JamesAPrattIIIJamesAPrattIII Member Posts: 156 Member
    I understand the Peoples Democratic Republic of Massachusetts also has a law against procession of unregistered ammo. On the National geographic TV channel there is a program called Diggers about two guys with metal detectors. In one program they are in Mass when they dig up a old fired brass shotgun shell. I don't think they were arrested. It looks like the law abiding stay out of these states.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    The DC law is ridiculous, of course, but does anyone in the govt explain WHY that law is helpful or good or properly anti-gun? I can sort of understand live ammo, from the anti-gun stance, but shell casings? It's even illogical if viewed from anti-gun politics. Duh.

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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,180 Senior Member
    I have this theory that if stupidity caused actual pain, then most of D.C. would be hospitalized and on massive doses of painkillers. No way to test the theory, but it sounds about right, considering. :tooth:
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.

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