Hunters trade shots over deer breeding, killing methods

Big Chief

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/15/hunters-trade-shots-over-deer-breeding-killing-methods/?intcmp=latestnews

Teach

Good grief- - - -what a grotesque abomination! About the "hunting" methods- - - -why not just keep the thing in a barn stall and let the so-called hunter go at it with an axe?
:down:
Jerry

knitepoet

IMO, those two method should rightfully be called "hunting" and "killing".

Sort of reminds me of Linefinder's bison. He was honest about it and described it, not as going bison hunting, but going to "shoot" a bison.

To me, if it's guaranteed success, it AIN'T hunting :nono:

Adrian

Agree...some of what passes for hunting is about as challenging as shooting your pet cat.

Quinian

Yeeeeah that's not hunting to me. My success rate is roughly 1 deer down for every 20-30 trips into the woods. That's how I like my hunting. Yeah sometimes it can get annoying if you're just looking to get some meat but over all that's how I prefer it

Linefinder

knitepoet wrote: »

Sort of reminds me of Linefinder's bison. He was honest about it and described it, not as going bison hunting, but going to "shoot" a bison.

Yeah, that was a pretty sad affair. And I did it again the next year, simply because that's the only way to get bison meat at a "fairly reasonable" price (a relative thing, if there ever was one, I tell ya).

I won't be doing it again.

If you shoot for blood long enough, there's invariably going to be a shot or three you wish you could call back. Since the end result of the bison shoot was exactly what I was after, I can't place them in that category, but they're pretty darned close.

Mike

Oh...in case you're wondering. If you eat two bison in two years, your taste for bison meat will probably decrease substantially. Personally, I'd rather eat my rubber soled Danner's than another bison steak.

woodsrunner

There's really nothing new about this, at least to some degree. Back in the early '60s when I was in forest/wildlife management school at the UGA, we had a wildlife prof-Dr. Ernie Provost-who forecast this happening by the time we as undergraduates were winding down our careers in the woods. Dr. "Ernie" taught us methods of increasing antler size-mass (primarily mass) through genetics and food quality. To me, though, a system such as this one described is a form of prostitution which preys on human stupidity. But after all, who am I to even comment? Remember, I'm the fellow who urges the use of flintlocks for hunting all game animals :jester:

knitepoet

Linefinder wrote: »

Yeah, that was a pretty sad affair. And I did it again the next year, simply because that's the only way to get bison meat at a "fairly reasonable" price (a relative thing, if there ever was one, I tell ya).

I won't be doing it again.

If you shoot for blood long enough, there's invariably going to be a shot or three you wish you could call back. Since the end result of the bison shoot was exactly what I was after, I can't place them in that category, but they're pretty darned close.

Mike

Oh...in case you're wondering. If you eat two bison in two years, your taste for bison meat will probably decrease substantially. Personally, I'd rather eat my rubber soled Danner's than another bison steak.

Mike, don't get me wrong, I'm not slighting you in the least.
Hell, given the chance I'd kill a bison that way for the meat myself. Just comparing going out (in the woods around here) HUNTING, and going somewhere to SHOOT an animal.

edited to add: Or shooting one of the deer in my back yard. Yeah, me or the wife normally take one from the back deck every season, we don't call it "hunting". We normally refer to it as what we feel it is, we tell folks, "We killed one in our back yard"

Jermanator

It is what it is. I don't really don't have a problem with it, just don't call it something that it isn't. A farmer has every right to raise livestock on his land. The livestock needs to be harvested/slaughtered one way or another and that is cool as long as it is dispatched humanely. I used to feel that it was unethical until I thought about it in these terms.

jbp-ohio

Jermanator wrote: »

It is what it is. I don't really don't have a problem with it, just don't call it something that it isn't. A farmer has every right to raise livestock on his land. The livestock needs to be harvested/slaughtered one way or another and that is cool as long as it is dispatched humanely. I used to feel that it was unethical until I thought about it in these terms.

Correct

When the Dr./ CEO/ Random Rich Guy hangs the antlers on the wall and regales his guests with the story of how he harvested it. You know......

"I go out with my trusty 12-gauge double-barrel, crawl around on my stomach.

I track and move and decoy and play games and try to outsmart them.

You know, you kind of play the wind.

Then........ it becomes unethical.

Linefinder

knitepoet wrote: »

Mike, don't get me wrong, I'm not slighting you in the least.

Oh, I didn't take it as a slight at all, Paul. In fact, I thought it very gracious of you to point out that I'd never called it a "hunt" at all.

And while I'll certainly agree that harvesting an animal by the method I took these two bison is ethically no different than slaughtering a steer on a ranch, still......were it not for the meat that went in the freezer, I'd happily call those shots back. It was just.....well....sad. And I'm not an overly sentimental guy.

Mike

knitepoet

:beer:

shootbrownelk

Heck, I watched a hunting? show on the outdoor channel a year or two ago, where the "Trophy" hunter was stalking (walking bolt upright) through the trees and lining up a shot on a HUGE bull elk. I thought it odd that the elk just got up and stood like it's feet were glued to the ground. The guy took forever to shoot, then the elk turned it's head, and I saw the yellow ear tag. It was in Canada on an Elk Farm. I'm sure this guy fabricated some story of getting it in some hell-hole...to impress anyone who'd listen. What a joke!