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samzhere
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Glenn Beck and Israel broadcast? Your opinions?
samzhere
Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
Last night I was channel surfing and briefly hit the Christian channel (I don't know its name) and started watching the Glenn Beck Jerusalem rally.
I know that Beck has recently begun a strong campaign pro-Israel. In this program, "Restoring Courage", several speakers gave a considerably interesting speeches. And Glenn Beck gave a terrific speech (honestly).
Anyone see this speech or the program? What's up with Glenn Beck lately?
A few years back, I'd listen to Beck's radio program and much of the time, it was hilarious -- conservative, yes, but not looney at all. And his non-political stuff was great -- where they'd pretend to be a station named "The Big Frog" and get people to say how they were fans, even though the station didn't exist. His radio show was pretty entertaining.
More recently, Beck on Fox got waaaay out, in my opinion. He lectured and did the blackboard thing in what may be the most boring show ever -- even if sometimes the subject matter was worthwhile, his lecturing made me click off. However, when I heard him as a guest, say on O'Reilly, he was back in form, very clever and funny while being conservative too.
Now of course Beck is launching his online "network" and now there's this 2-hour rally for support of Israel.
Frankly, I was knocked over by the terrific speech Beck gave at this taped rally. Whomever wrote it is a major quality speechwriter -- it was excellent. The other pro-Israel guests were interesting, too.
So what's up with Glenn Beck? Has he undergone an epiphany? Saul of Tarsus on the road to Damascus? Or what?
I know that Beck has recently begun a strong campaign pro-Israel. In this program, "Restoring Courage", several speakers gave a considerably interesting speeches. And Glenn Beck gave a terrific speech (honestly).
Anyone see this speech or the program? What's up with Glenn Beck lately?
A few years back, I'd listen to Beck's radio program and much of the time, it was hilarious -- conservative, yes, but not looney at all. And his non-political stuff was great -- where they'd pretend to be a station named "The Big Frog" and get people to say how they were fans, even though the station didn't exist. His radio show was pretty entertaining.
More recently, Beck on Fox got waaaay out, in my opinion. He lectured and did the blackboard thing in what may be the most boring show ever -- even if sometimes the subject matter was worthwhile, his lecturing made me click off. However, when I heard him as a guest, say on O'Reilly, he was back in form, very clever and funny while being conservative too.
Now of course Beck is launching his online "network" and now there's this 2-hour rally for support of Israel.
Frankly, I was knocked over by the terrific speech Beck gave at this taped rally. Whomever wrote it is a major quality speechwriter -- it was excellent. The other pro-Israel guests were interesting, too.
So what's up with Glenn Beck? Has he undergone an epiphany? Saul of Tarsus on the road to Damascus? Or what?
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Er, yes, I think I already said that: "... Beck is launching his online network..."
Mmm, that's pretty cynical as I see it. In his personal life, Beck has in recent years stopped (or greatly curtailed) his drinking, and has stabilized his family situation in what seems to be a genuine movement in his non-political life. As a result he seems to have emphasized his Christian faith.
Beck notwithstanding, support for Israel is not particularly apocalyptic. There have been some evangelical trendy groups of late, but millions of people are pro-Israel without any "end times" belief at all, myself included, and have been supporters since the first Jewish settlements from European immigrants in the 19th century.
I've studied the history of modern Israel thoroughly (for someone who's not a Jew or who has any personal connections with Israel), and have no belief or interests in the "end times" or the apocalypse at all. But I do strongly support Israel's autonomy. As a Christian that may seem odd, but I've found myself more and more pro-Israel. But that's just me.
Whether Beck has a personal connection to support for Israel, I really don't know -- and it's the basis for this thread. But I don't think it has anything to do with ads for gold ownership. It's pretty well known that many conservatives favor investing in gold or gold futures, and therefore ads for such are common on conservative radio and TV. That's simply economics, not an endorsement. I mean, beer companies are big advertisers for sports broadcasts, but that doesn't mean that the announcers are personally connected with that business.
I don't wish to get into a discussion about Israel per se. It's a personal hot button for me and not really open for debate -- my pro-Israel feelings are quite intense and aren't open for much variance.
What I really am interested in is how Glenn Beck is finding himself increasingly more connected with religious concerns. The principal reason for this thread is my chancing upon the TV show from Israel that was highlighted by a pretty amazing speech by Beck -- anybody who's seen this broadcast (it's being repeated on the religious channels) will agree, I think. It was a real stemwinder of a speech, and from all I can learn, Beck is being sincere. I'm just intrigued by it, is all.
And no, I'm not a big Beck fan nor have I ever been. I did however think the speech he gave was first rate.
I'm personally happy for it but just wanted to understand it better. In this country it's so "out of fashion" to be distinctively pro-Israel with most of the current publicity going toward Palestinians and pro-Muslim causes. We've got only a couple of celebs on the side of Israel, Jon Voight, Natalie Portmann, Gary Sinise, and that's about it.
Of course we've got a huge number of classical musicians supporting Israel but Hollywood support is thin.
With all due respect, if he considers himself saved by Christ's blood and conducts himself as a Christian, then I'm content to let the Judge make that determination in the end.
Yeah, kinda like Baptists weren't either at one point.
Being Mormon, I'm all to aware of that fact. But I don't think it's up to them to decide that. Just as I am by no means qualified to tell any traditional Chritian sect which of them can count on salvation. Thankfully there is someone that knows all men's hearts and is in a position to extend his grace to them.
Sorry for the hijack. To the OP, I think Beck is starting to feel the gravity of the situation that Isreal finds itself in and is doing what he can to help. I think he is sincere and that his conscience requires him to lend a hand, just as he has tried to help preserve us a nation.
Or Lutherans or Calvinists or Episcopalians.
Did you know they actually drink beer?
Dan
Luke 9:49-50
49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
Mmm, I'm not too sure of that. I realize that at one time Mormons were considered heretics, and of course their Book of Mormon isn't accepted by others as scripture. But technically I do think that Mormons are at least fringe Christians. I could be wrong, often am.
Thanks for the clarification. I rarely watch the Christian network so I'd not have seen any of Beck's previous shows. I just happened to catch this particular Rally for Israel.
I did not know that, but I do know some Christians that drink beer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For traditional mainstream Christianity, the articles of faith are set out in the Nicene Creed or the older Apostles' Creed. And Mormons clearly don't believe all the items in the Nicene -- mostly regarding the Trinity and how it's defined. But of course, clear definitions of the Trinity are very tricky anyway. If you read, for example, the "official" definition of the Trinity and then read about one of the heresies, such as the Sabellian heresy, you will get a headache trying to see the subtle differences.
And many less-formal Christian churches, such as Southern Baptist or evangelicals, you might go to church every Sunday and never learn the Nicene Creed. But that doesn't make you less of a Christian than I am, who, as an Episcopalian, had formal church history spoon fed me.
And the Mormons do adhere to most of the central tenets of the Christian faith, even if in a less formal way. I'd pretty much conclude that to say Mormons aren't Christian is nitpicking. Just my personal opinion, of course.
Why is there a need to expound beyond what is plainly written ????