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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,514 Senior Member
    I don't think they understand exactly where this came from. The only reason that there is a Tea Party in the first place is due to the massive overreach of Obamacare. Those "terrorists and anarchists" were put in office as a direct result of the law. If you recall, it was really sleazy how they put it in place. People are pissed off. You would have thought that the massive backlash they got in 2010 would be taken as a sign, but they still don't get it. It is time to primary out the Republicans that are still wanting to get along and kick some more Democrats to the curb until they start representing the people.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,360 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Both of our Tennessee RINO senators need to be on that "tar and feathers" list. Maybe we can pick off Alexander this time around, and Corker needs to get the boot the next time he runs. Every letter I send to either one of them includes a plea for them to either switch parties or get out of the way of the people who will actually do what we elected them for.
    Jerry

    I know where there is a tar kettle that I can 'borrow', and I have enough old feather pillows to do a good full coverage job. :tooth:

    Alexander and Corker are both as worthless as a bag of broken light bulbs. I would like nothing more than to see them both go down in flames during their next reelection bid. Calling them rhinos is being generous. Calling them progressive socialists would be the more accurate term. Having seen Corker in action in Washington, I can now see why his business ventures in Chattanooga were so screwed up.
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 9,072 Senior Member
    John McCain once had my ultimate respect. He is after all a hero, but sadly is a politian first and above all else these days.
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,514 Senior Member
    Prediction-- Boehner will slip a CR through with House Democrats and a handful of Republicans.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 6,657 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    John McCain once had my ultimate respect. He is after all a hero, but sadly is a politian first and above all else these days.

    He wants the status quo and cant seem to grasp that the status quo will bankrupt the country. The shutdown needs to stay in place until the Gov. runs without non essential personnel for good.

    I feel for the other people who are affected by the unintended consequenses of Obamacare. My wife lost 1/2 a job months ago and it looks like the next contract, the raise will be zero, with more money needed to maintain leaches to the health insurance.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,946 Senior Member
    Fyi this is not saving us money. I'm at an energy conference and all the DOE folks had to change their already purchased flights to leave asap this morning with 2 days left in the conference (im sure that was cheap...). Some of them still had talks they were supposed to give and meetings and workshops they were supposed to lead.

    Hopefully they'll figure this stuff out in the next few days and the overall impact will be relatively low, but if this stretches out more than a week or two it will really start impacting the economy.

    I do think a reasonable compromise is to delay the individual mandate one year (keep rest intact), pass a full year CR, and extend the debt ceiling for the year. I'm really sick of these self inflicted crises every few months. This needs to stop. As others have suggested, all of these tools need to go.
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 6,657 Senior Member
    No it wont. The economy does not revolve around D.C. If the Govt. stayed "shut down" until they did a RIF until they got to say 1980 levels, most of the country isnt going to notice. Seriously, the only way DC impacts fly over country is more negative than positive.

    IMHO, if OC isnt repealed, it needs to go into affect AS WRITTEN. See how far it goes. There should never be another CR, there should be a budget.

    Side note, you all saw that the Senate Dems voted themselves more of our money to pay for a 75% subsidy?
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Fyi this is not saving us money. I'm at an energy conference and all the DOE folks had to change their already purchased flights to leave asap this morning with 2 days left in the conference (im sure that was cheap...). Some of them still had talks they were supposed to give and meetings and workshops they were supposed to lead.

    Which is why the conference should have been online in the first place, if it's an "energy" conference and I assume the main thrust is to save energy and be all keen and environmental?

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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,946 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Which is why the conference should have been online in the first place, if it's an "energy" conference and I assume the main thrust is to save energy and be all keen and environmental?

    It's an industry conference. While online is a fine way to maintain relationships, it's a really bad way to start new ones. Shaking hands and face to face conversations are still an extremely important part of business even in the info age. I've done plenty of webinars in my days (both as an audience member and presenter), and while they have their place it's not remotely the same.
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    Prediction-- Boehner will slip a CR through with House Democrats and a handful of Republicans.

    That "slip" will not occur. Where do you think congressmen like Culberson and Poe are? They are in the trenches and are working with the solid conservatives to keep and hold the line. Boehner wouldn't be able to slip a corned beef sandwich past them, as the House has to VOTE on all these bills.

    Newest strategy for Today Oct 1 from the House is a very clever one... They're separating the whole budget bill into separate smaller bills, passing each, and sending them one at a time to the Senate. So they'll have a farm appropriations, veterans, military (already sent and passed by Senate), parks and rec, and so on, each bill a slice from the overall bill.

    The House Republicans aren't quibbling about the spending levels of each department and this is an okay thing for now, as the prime focus must be on defunding the AHA. So by parceling the spending bill and sending each section to the Senate, they're forcing the Senate to maybe reject, say, parks and recreation, or veteran benefits, or education. A very clever move.

    I'm telling you that the tide is turning. Harry Reid is looking more and more like a complete jerk, refusing to have even a conference House-Senate as is the normal event. If these separate sectional bills are either rejected or voted yes, the end result is that the "shutdown" will be nullified, and the AHA will be delayed a year.

    But bottom line, Boehner can't "slip" any bill past the conservatives -- they're the ones who have to vote on it.

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,514 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Newest strategy for Today Oct 1 from the House is a very clever one... They're separating the whole budget bill into separate smaller bills, passing each, and sending them one at a time to the Senate. So they'll have a farm appropriations, veterans, military (already sent and passed by Senate), parks and rec, and so on, each bill a slice from the overall bill.
    The House Republicans aren't quibbling about the spending levels of each department and this is an okay thing for now, as the prime focus must be on defunding the AHA. So by parceling the spending bill and sending each section to the Senate, they're forcing the Senate to maybe reject, say, parks and recreation, or veteran benefits, or education. A very clever move.
    Awesome! I do like that strategy. All I can say is that they better hold the line. This might very well work.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Republicans are gonna get blamed for the shutdown AGAIN. I blame all of the rats in DC for this, Congress and the PREZ.

    Both sides. They have a strategy to bring the pitfalls of Obammy-care to the forefront. They tried to not fund it, it didn't work and never will get throgh the Senate. They knew this when they started this end-of-the-year budget hold up crap.

    So, if you look at it objectively, the Republicans DID indeed cause the shutdown because if they hadn't brought up the OC funding the budget would have been passed on through the Senate like a slick turd. That, of course, would have given Obammy his great signature legislation/legacy funding in the budget that he desperately needs after looking like a incompetent donkey on foreign affairs/Syria , getting punked out by Putin and falling for a so called "Fatwa" that Iran supposedly issued saying they wouldn't develop a nuclear weapon.

    If they can't get a complete delay for one year, then I think they will ask for a bill letting it go forward, but not penalizing those who don't sign up for for a year or more so they can collect more data on why it isn't working and use it for the mid-term elections.

    Bottom line is they are all playing politics and if they ALL had of done their darn jobs and fixed the budget months ago we wouldn't be in a shutdown today.

    It's American politics at its best or worst, depending on how you look at it.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 6,657 Senior Member
    After they "got blamed" for the shutdown last time, they took the house, and most of the governorships that were up and control of the state houses. Perhaps "shutting down" the government is a lot less of a disaster to 99.95% of the population.

    Personally, I think they should lock the doors until June.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Bill Clinton , at least, stayed engaged with the Congress until the very end, Obammy won't even discuss it with the Republicans besides a phone call with the speaker.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Posts: 5,458 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Bill Clinton , at least, stayed engaged with the Congress until the very end, Obammy won't even discuss it with the Republicans besides a phone call with the speaker.

    Guess it's a good thing his golf cart has that car phone...
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,049 Senior Member
    Best deal going, govt shut down so now you cannot e-mail your senator
    result is a self professing prophecy
    no constituent messages
    they must like what we're doing.
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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 11,294 Senior Member
    Fyi this is not saving us money. I'm at an energy conference and all the DOE folks had to change their already purchased flights to leave asap this morning with 2 days left in the conference (im sure that was cheap...). Some of them still had talks they were supposed to give and meetings and workshops they were supposed to lead.

    Hopefully they'll figure this stuff out in the next few days and the overall impact will be relatively low, but if this stretches out more than a week or two it will really start impacting the economy.

    I do think a reasonable compromise is to delay the individual mandate one year (keep rest intact), pass a full year CR, and extend the debt ceiling for the year. I'm really sick of these self inflicted crises every few months. This needs to stop. As others have suggested, all of these tools need to go.

    Why did people not stay and complete their conference? Would they be fired for staying? They were already scheduled to be there, not at the home office, why did they have to go home early?
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  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    Guess it's a good thing his golf cart has that car phone...

    Yes Golfcart One was instrumental in getting OBL, as well as kick starting the economy back into the juggernaut it once was.
    Seriously, remember that pic of him, Hillary, a bunch of uniforms and suits in some kind of situation room watching the OBL raid as it went down, in real time. Look again, he's wearing a golf shirt. Some staffer had the sense to put a sportcoat on him for the photo-op.
    But while the op of the century, thus far, was going down, What was he doing? The photo speaks for itself.
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,946 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 wrote: »
    Why did people not stay and complete their conference? Would they be fired for staying? They were already scheduled to be there, not at the home office, why did they have to go home early?

    Some OPM bs rule I think. Everyone traveling for the government had to return home on the first available flight regardless of cost. Under a shutdown it's technically illegal for them to work. Same applies to furloughs. Dumb stuff if you ask me.
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,752 Senior Member
    All real combat Veterans are heros. McCain is just one of them. POWs endured some heavy **** but they didn't have to risk the "two way range" on a regular basis. I would never claim to be a hero. I spent 7 months in a "combat" zone with no combat (former Yugoslavia). I was a tourist!
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,752 Senior Member
    He wants the status quo and cant seem to grasp that the status quo will bankrupt the country. The shutdown needs to stay in place until the Gov. runs without non essential personnel for good.

    I feel for the other people who are affected by the unintended consequenses of Obamacare. My wife lost 1/2 a job months ago and it looks like the next contract, the raise will be zero, with more money needed to maintain leaches to the health insurance.
    Elimination of non essential government? Did you waste your (write in) vote on Ron Paul like I did. I just could not in good conscience do otherwise.
  • 5280 shooter II5280 shooter II Senior Member Posts: 3,923 Senior Member
    sgtrock21 wrote: »
    I would never claim to be a hero. I spent 7 months in a "combat" zone with no combat (former Yugoslavia). I was a tourist!

    My field trip down to Macedonian with 1-6 Inf was a little bit different in '93. S3 went down for an assessment......1st armored didn't roll across the Tula river until years after......it was a mess down there and saw things that you would only see in Schindler's List. Slavs weren't very nice to the Muslims. It's strange cause these aren't Arab Muslims......you really can't tell who's who, was a very difficult time.
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  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 6,657 Senior Member
    sgtrock21 wrote: »
    Elimination of non essential government? Did you waste your (write in) vote on Ron Paul like I did. I just could not in good conscience do otherwise.

    Nope, because Ron Paul has his head up his butt about everything outside of CONUS. He would be at least as dangerous if not worse over the long haul. We wouldnt see the grief he would cause, our kids would.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • Dr. dbDr. db Senior Member Posts: 1,541 Senior Member
    The Senate hasn't passed a budget in years. They are debating over a continuing resolution to use instead of a budget.
  • tv_racin_fantv_racin_fan Senior Member Posts: 617 Senior Member
    Dr. db wrote: »
    The Senate hasn't passed a budget in years. They are debating over a continuing resolution to use instead of a budget.

    Budget, smudget.. we don't need no steenking budget!!
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    Awesome! I do like that strategy. All I can say is that they better hold the line. This might very well work.

    So far the Democrat senate has rejected all sorts of these smaller bills for spending and that now makes them look petty, exactly the idea.

    Looks like the Prez has blinked. Today (Wed Oct 2), Obama has asked the 4 house/senate leaders to the white house for a round of golf. No, wait, for a conference!! Ha!

    Now, what the house needs to do is force SOME sort of compromise from Obama and the Dems. (would "Bama and the Dems" be a good boy-band name?)... Anyway, ANY decent compromise on Obamacare will be a victory.

    I realize (as do all the Republicans, and of course also Ted Cruz) that total defunding won't make it, not this time around. But the point of the shutdown is to make the Demos blink and make them adjust their rose-color goggles. The costs of Obamacare to the people are now starting to be seen, and these "free" sites for insurance will soon show voters that the costs are huge.

    Ideal in real-world terms would be a 1year delay of the personal mandate, but I don't think that will be accepted. Something meaningful but less is okay, just so it's not a teeny bone tossed.

    The debt ceiling is however a different matter and I understand its being needed to be raised. Those are 2 separate issues, "shutdown" vs default. But as the ceiling default approaches, it's another tool the House can use.

    All the previous "shutdowns" effected a budget compromise, and if this succeeds, the Demos will lose face and the Reps will have some good ammo for next election.

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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,781 Senior Member
    It is a staged event. He will lecture and scold them and tell the press that they acted petty and childish. They will repeat it, without challenge, thereby endorsing it. Millions of morons will tweet about the mean old Republicans. Or, maybe Republicans will come out of there with heads hanging, and throw in the towel. But it is far too early for the Democrats to buckle.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,360 Senior Member
    Sam, get real. That 'default' language is a Democrat talking point. Even if this lasts for 6 months, the tax revenue coming in to the government is way more than enough to service the interest on the debt. It's just more lying through their teeth to scare the sheep into stampeding. The debt ceiling doesn't need to be raised; spending needs to be cut into like termites on a fresh piece of wood.
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Time to start over in DC, they ALL need to be Tarred n Feathered and run outta town on a rail :angry::angry:

    [IMG][/img]tarred_and_feathered_by_angusmcleod-d4ehkhe_zps0bcd29d4.jpg
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,029 Senior Member
    Dengy Harry and Obummer are looking good in the Liberal Media spotlight, saying the Republicans are causing the Government shutdown, like this shutdown is a bad thing? he I think we're probably saving a bundle of money with some parts of the Government Shut down. Maybe we should start shutting down parts of the government down during strategic times each year.

    The arrogance of these libtards is appauling.

    I Think we should hold the line. We don't need to give in. Right now it looks as though the Dummycraps are gaining in polls because of this. But that isn't the whole story. I believe that in time the American people will see this for what it is and it will backfire on them. The Republicans took back the house because people wanted them to defund Obummer Care. Now they're holding out to do just that, and now everybody is wanting to give in to the pressure? I don't believe they really do. I think if we hold out, we'll win.
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