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U TU T MemberPosts: 423 Member
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I just got back from S. Africa on Friday, and as you can see from the photo, I got a very large one. I didn't get to hunt anything else, as planned, and was very frustrated throughout the hunt, or what ended up being a sightseeing tour for the first 3 1/2 days, or as they said, scouting, but don't want this to be a bunch of complaining. I've just never showed up for a hunt, and not carried a gun for the first 3 1/2 days. It was an experience, but doubt if I will ever want to go back. It is not my kind of hunting. The positive side, of not being allowed to hunt those first 3 1/2 days, meant that I saved a lot of money, buy not shooting anything else! And when I say shooting, I don't mean hunting, as most of the animals just stand around looking at you. I've had more fun hunting just about anything here in the U S and Canada.

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  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,954 Senior Member
    Wow. Awesome Hippo!! :up:

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  • Wheelsman56Wheelsman56 Member Posts: 225 Member
    Congrats on your hippo! Sorry to hear you didn't have the best experience. A lot of it depends on the outfitter with whom you hunt. I had a fantastic time in Namibia and it was some of the toughest hunting I have done. What rifle/cartridge/scope...etc did you use?
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,098 Senior Member
    Congrats on that huge hippo
    What rifle/cartridge/scope...etc did you use?
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  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,953 Senior Member
    Nice Hippo sorry it wasn't all you had hoped for
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,717 Senior Member
    Glad you got to go and now you know the rifle does the job.
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  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,149 Senior Member
    Glad to see a great hippo taken, but I am a bit surprised that you didn't enjoy it. It sounds like the outfitter was the weak link in this experience. I've heard of places like you described and it sucks when someone gets stuck with that kind of deal (I actually saw video on YouTube of a guy "hunting" kudu over a wagon full of hay!) The people I hunted with in South Africa never took the gun out of my hand and the animals were certainly not standing around waiting to get shot. We had to work our butts off and walked a ton to get anywhere near where a good shooting position.
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  • BuffcoBuffco Senior Member Posts: 6,244 Senior Member
    I've never been but I've talked to a lot who have and your experience doesn't seem to be the norm. At least I hope not, because I AM going one day.

    Maybe just a bad outfitter.
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,805 Senior Member
    GREAT BULL!!

    Shame about the rest of the experience, but that is NOT the norm. However, as the African vets will say....thats Africa, it has no plan and no schedule. But really, sounds like an outfitter issue that unfortunately bled over onto you.

    Consider another country, and another outfitter. I know of a few guys who run great operations if you get the bug again. I know many people have had great times in RSA, but honestly, I have no desire to hunt there....too "texas game ranch" in much of the country, a lot of people go there with a shopping list of animals to fill.

    I'd look into Namibia, Botswana or Mozambique for some plains game. Of course, you got a taste of DG....there is always a buffalo or tuskless elephant to go back for...
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  • Wheelsman56Wheelsman56 Member Posts: 225 Member
    GREAT BULL!!

    Shame about the rest of the experience, but that is NOT the norm. However, as the African vets will say....thats Africa, it has no plan and no schedule. But really, sounds like an outfitter issue that unfortunately bled over onto you.

    Consider another country, and another outfitter. I know of a few guys who run great operations if you get the bug again. I know many people have had great times in RSA, but honestly, I have no desire to hunt there....too "texas game ranch" in much of the country, a lot of people go there with a shopping list of animals to fill.

    I'd look into Namibia, Botswana or Mozambique for some plains game. Of course, you got a taste of DG....there is always a buffalo or tuskless elephant to go back for...

    Many areas of South Africa have become more of a Texas game farm type setup. Namibians especially look down on South Africans due to their breeding of species with genetic irregularities (white springbok, black springbok..etc) in order to entice hunters. I lived in South Africa for 6 months, but chose to hunt in Namibia as it is more remote and more wild.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Sorry it was sort of disappointing to you. I mean when you spend big money on a hunt you want the best of everything. I know there's got to be an up side to hunting in Africa, and I know hunting the Elephant, Hippo and Cape Buffs gotta be a trip. But I know some of this exotic hunting is a crock. I watched some guys hunting Water Buffalo on TV once somewhere in Asia. I don't know, but most of those I have seen are damn near tame. They're all over the Philippines and Malaysia and I have lived in both places. One of my brother in laws bought one once to work in the rice field. That thing was so tame it was pitiful. You can walk almost right up to em and blow the beeJesus out of em. If some of these other animals are half that tame, there's nothing to killing them. That would be disappointing to me.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,928 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Sorry it was sort of disappointing to you. I mean when you spend big money on a hunt you want the best of everything. I know there's got to be an up side to hunting in Africa, and I know hunting the Elephant and Cape Buffs gotta be a trip. But I know some of this exotic hunting is a crock. I watched some guys hunting Water Buffalo on TV once somewhere in Asia. I don't know, but most of those I have seen are damn near tame. You can walk almost right up to em and blow the beeJesus out of em. That would be disappointing to me.

    I've also see water buffs with a naked little Vietnamese kid riding on thir back try to stomp a squad of GIs into paste....if the domesticated ones can be that ornery, the wild ones are truly dangerous game...
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    I've also see water buffs with a naked little Vietnamese kid riding on thir back try to stomp a squad of GIs into paste....if the domesticated ones can be that ornery, the wild ones are truly dangerous game...

    If you're the rider you can do that with a horse as well. But a horse, once broken, is usually very docile until the rider coaxes him to do something. He's just following orders.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,928 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    If you're the rider you can do that with a horse as well. But a horse, once broken, is usually very docile until the rider coaxes him to do something. He's just following orders.

    Not the case...Trust me...the kid was merely a passenger on a really irritated locomotive who bailed into the rice paddy at his first opportunity....
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  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,960 Senior Member
    Glag you got a hippo, sorry it wasnt all you hoped for. JAY
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  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,149 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Sorry it was sort of disappointing to you. I mean when you spend big money on a hunt you want the best of everything. I know there's got to be an up side to hunting in Africa, and I know hunting the Elephant and Cape Buffs gotta be a trip. But I know some of this exotic hunting is a crock. I watched some guys hunting Water Buffalo on TV once somewhere in Asia. I don't know, but most of those I have seen are damn near tame. You can walk almost right up to em and blow the beeJesus out of em. That would be disappointing to me.

    It's all about doing your homework and asking a LOT of questions of the outfitter before you commit. You get them to talk enough and something undesireable, if it's indeed there, will slip out. I was fortunate enough to go with an outfitter that was honest and forthright and that showed me the best time of my life in South Africa. The sad fact is that it's not always like that. Many of the outfitters, just like in the US, pump up 1000 acres ranches with virtually tame game animals like you're gonna be hunting a vast expanse of wilderness chasing wild kudu. Do your research, ask around and it's easy to avoid such places.


    A little more info on high fences in South Africa:

    The bottom line: if you hunt in South Africa, you will almost always be behind a high fence (same for much of Namibia). Why is this the case in South Africa? Because it's the law. You may not own private land for the express purpose of hunting unless it is fenced. For people who travel over there, that would leave you only the regular two month window to hunt animals not held on private, high-fenced properties. The South African government annoints high-fenced game farms of sufficient size as national game preserves because they effectively serve as their sanctuary system to combat poaching. While it's hard to read, I took a pic of one of these signs because I found their approach to game protection so interesting:



    (The lower sign reads, "Private Property - Habitat Heritage: this property has been committed to a significant wildlife conservation program")

    These places make it a nightmare for people to steal game while protecting the game management investment of the landower. Most of them are farms that raise traditional livestock (sheep and cattle) and also harbor game. At the place I primarily hunted, it wasn't uncommon to see huge herds of springbok jumping barbed wire cattle enclosures much like deer do on Uncle Joe's cattle ranch in Colorado or Iowa. Trust me - not one of those animals was the least bit tame and you would be the luckiest person in the world if one would hold still for you once it saw or scented you.

    The high fence factor shouldn't be comparable to what you see in Texas if you go with a reputable guide. In my case, there were multiple properties hunted and all were massive, but the main property we hunted, we're talking 55 square miles behind a fence. Let that number sink in for a minute. The land covered multiple mountain ranges as far as the eye could see and I never saw the far side of it over my entire 7 day hunt. The herds are all self-sustaining and actually have to be culled from time to time (praticularly when the droughts hit). To put that in perspective, I bow hunted a public land island off of the Missouri river last deer season that had well over a 70 deer herd stuffed into a 2 mile landmass. I saw the same deer cycle by every few times I hunted there and had nicknames for a few regulars. Was I less ethical in hunting that unfenced island or the farm in South Africa?

    As for the exotic game raising (black and white springbok, etc.) and "put and take" hunting practice...they're legal forms of hunting over there, but I want no part of it. That is definitely another thing to look out for in Africa in general. Again, it's all about knowing who you're getting involved with when you go on these hunts. In that respect, it's an identical experience to hunting in the states or anywhere else for that matter.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • U TU T Member Posts: 423 Member
    I'll explain a little more. This was not a privately owned property, as far as I know, although there was a high fence surrounding miles and miles of area, and the animals that we were hunting were living wild, not pen raised and released. We were hunting an area adjacent to Krueger National Park, and there was no fence or barrier between our hunting area and Krueger. I went specifically on a 7 day Hippo hunt, and was to be able to hunt plains game, in a totally different area 5 hours away, if I had time, after the hippo hunt. I had hoped to hunt hippo right away, but we actually spent over 3 1/2 days looking around, and not actually hunting, no gun/no ranger. I was told that we could not hunt without having a "Ranger" with us, and that might have been the reason for the lack of hunting, but they seemed evasive on my questioning. There were plenty of Hippos seen every day, but they explained that we had to find one that we could get out of the water, meaning we needed to be able to drive right up to the river to pull him out, which really limited where we could shoot one, but mostly limited because we didn't even carry a gun. The area that we were hunting was specifically a "big game area" for this outfitter, and there they hunt, Elephant, Cape Buffalo, and Hippo, not sure if anthing else. There was another hunter in one of his other camps that was hunting elephant, and cape buffalo. I do know that my hunt was also being utilized to scout for elephant and cape buffalo, and have a feeling that the available Ranger was on that hunt, and not available to me, possibly due to the elephant hunter? We located the elephant and notified the other hunters of his location the night before they killed him, and we also found some cape bufallo, but they didn't end up getting one. The hippo that I shot, I could have killed on day 2 if not day 1 of the hunt, and had plenty of time for plains game hunting. I just felt cheated, showing up for a 7 day hunt, and not being permitted to hunt right away. It only left me to hunt 2 1/2 days. I only hunted last 3 hours on Mon, all day Tues. (got hippo), Wed. retrieved out of water, photos, donated hippo to community, Thurs. flew home. The first 3 1/2 days of being jerked around and not hunting really ruined my attitude.
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,149 Senior Member
    I can't blame you One bit for being pissed in that arrangement. That operation was shady, at best.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • beartrackerbeartracker Senior Member Posts: 3,116 Senior Member
    Yes, that is exactly my sentiments also after reading all of your comments. Sorry, but there are good hunts still left in Africa that will cause every orifice in your body to close up all at once at times. :jester:
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,575 Senior Member
    Dang. That's cool, and really sucks, all at the same time. Sorry you got a raw deal.
  • Wheelsman56Wheelsman56 Member Posts: 225 Member
    Which outfitter did you go with?
  • U TU T Member Posts: 423 Member
    Which outfitter did you go with?
    I don't think we can mention it. Last time I was involved with discussing name of outfitter, it got deleted. I'll send you private message with it.

    Tom
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,149 Senior Member
    Please CC me on it, too. If I can save someone else from that kind of BS, I will.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • pardogpardog Member Posts: 423 Member
    Africa is definitely on my bucket list sorry you got a bum deal. After hearing your story I will definitely do my homework on the outfitter if I ever make to to Africa. Congrats on the Hippo anyway
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,805 Senior Member
    U T shame you can't just post it here, I know other hunting sites the word of "post" is a STRONG tool. The best thing you can do now is hit up places like Hunt Report and Accurate Reloading and let as many people know about your bad experience as possible. Doesn't help your cause any, but it'll possibly help a brother hunter someday avoid wasting his hard earned cash. The hunting industry is actually QUITE small, put the truth up enough times and it will get known quickly to take your business to another outfitter.

    Reading your last bit there, it does sound like they were short on government scouts, which is THEIR problem. And also, you got screwed because the jumbo hunter was paying probably 4x what you were. Shame.
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
  • Wheelsman56Wheelsman56 Member Posts: 225 Member
    UT I'm pretty sure I just sent you multiple PMs saying basically the same thing since the new forum messaging system is weird, I wasnt sure if they went through. Sorry about that man.
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