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9 silly meter for SD
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Shot some 124 gr hp from those Italian ammo guys---it is as good as any 9mm I have shot in the past. Tgt was a gal water filled jug with a rug wrapped around it.
I hit the jug based on the fact that a hole appeared in the rug in front of the jug, no splash, no wiggle, no anything except the water ran out. That indicates to me that 9mm is not so great a SD rnd, even .327 will wiggle a jug.
The exit hole indicated some expansion of the bullet.
Oh, did I say the water ran out, well, then I must have killed the jug; but, for SD I'm going to use something bigger.
I hit the jug based on the fact that a hole appeared in the rug in front of the jug, no splash, no wiggle, no anything except the water ran out. That indicates to me that 9mm is not so great a SD rnd, even .327 will wiggle a jug.
The exit hole indicated some expansion of the bullet.
Oh, did I say the water ran out, well, then I must have killed the jug; but, for SD I'm going to use something bigger.
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I'm just looking to understand your reasoning.
Also, there are several other factors involved in the performance you experienced, like distance to target, barrel length, etc., could you expand on some of those factors?
Good bullet placement is of course the key.
That is why they tell you to aim at centermass.
The farthest I could get was 18 yds, so , I shot at 18 yds. Incidentally it was 1.5 yds farther that I usually get to shoot because we had high water and I could get the boat farther up the opposite bank than normal.
It appears from your post you like 9 mm.
I shot a goose with a broken wing with 9mm and it took 5 shots in the body to kill it, so, maybe that is an issue for me in respect to 9 silly meter.
Oh, yeah; blood loss does the trick as long as the BG does not kill Ya while waiting for blood loss.
I personally have not been impressed by 9mm; but, it is better than a .32 S&W long.
I also have been known to carry a .38 Special, .357 Magnum, and.... 9mm. I feel confident in all of them because I use ammo in them that has been shown to have good results on larger vertebrates, say 150 lb. or more.
Don't like it? Then by all means, don't carry it :beer:
Besides the forum gets slow at times; someone has to post something that people can get worked up over when their comfort zone is being questioned.
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I reckon you ain't too old to 'Cut A Rug' :rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:
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Paul has also seen firsthand what 9mm does to humans.
And non of it pretty, pretty gross perhaps, gross anatomy even !!! :jester:
The morgue is another place to see evidence of terminal effects of good and poor bullet placement.
So is the ER of any big city hospital.
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I too second the idea / opinion of a ( fine tuned ) 1911 in 9mm giving better groups.
Hardball to Hardball or FMJ vs FMJ......45 ACP wins hands down.
Your .327 is probably a much better choice than a 9mm Pocket Puppy to tote for SD.
If you want more firepower in a bigger sized pistol, then go the spray and pray route with a 9mm. It's obviously a personal decision. Carry/use what you do best with and have confidence in. Ain't no gun in any caliber any better than the man or woman behind the trigger.
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I fired SS3s Colt 1911 in 9mm the other day and liked it, different, but fun to shoot. And , of course, here comes the argument that if you carry a full sized 1911 in 9mm, why not a HI-Cap with 15 rounds? Unless you really just like the feel and handling of a SA auto in 1911 configuration.
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I'm with you NN, screw the party line. Do what you fell good about. Reminds me of an old joke......guy says his girlfriend in college asked him who he expected to please with that little thing, he said ME:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:
Maybe he showed her his 9 Sillymeter:jester:
And here starts yet another 9mm vs any caliber argument........................................:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
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In modern SD loadings, the 9mm isn't anything to sneeze at, but I still believe in large leaky holes...whether the bullet expands or not...
Having spent some time working in one of Michigan's Knife and Gun Clubs I've seen a bunch of bullet wounds...on the street, in the ER, on the slab in the Morgue. That being said, I've seen some bullet failures in pretty much everything that folks swear by from 9mm to .44 Mags...in the end there is this...there is NO reliable one shot stopper, thus ........ no matter what you're using....keep shooting until the BG either falls down or stops doing what he's doing...reload if necessary...
I don't actually own a 9mm. I've shot them plenty, but I carry a .45. I was asking because your results and your opinion offered thereafter were different from others, so I wanted a little clarification. I've been considering a BUG, and 9mm is one of the available choices, so naturally I'm interested anytime someone has data/experience that I can read.
Anyway, if you don't want to carry the 9mm, then don't! I personally have confidence in the round (may just take out a deer this fall w/ a Speer Gold Dot or something similar just to prove a point), which is why I carry a G19.
Also, the 1911 is a GREAT platform for the 9mm, despite all the whining about it not being true to JMB's intentions. With that said, I think that rig shines the brightest in rapid fire competitions such as IPSC and IDPA.
(BTW, BC, if you liked the Colt, you've GOT to try the STI. The difference between the two is like night and day.)
"It's far easier to start out learning to be precise and then speeding up, than it is having never "mastered" the weapon, and trying to be precise." - Dan C
But, as a side "Note from Ned" I shot some of this ammo some time ago from a 6.5 inch barreled Blackhawk and had slightly better results.
While we're here get your torches and pitchforks and we'll burn this topic into the ground. :yesno:
I reviewed this thread and I believe I reported what happened and said I am not carrying it; not that anyone else should or should not. So, this uproar got going because it wanted to.
As a side, I have some of this ammo and some Golden Saber loaded in moonclips just in case I need or want to use the speedsix.
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I wish you'd come up with a variation on "silly milimeter." It sounds, well, silly.
With a 1911 and a 30-06