The other thing is "silly meter" denegrates everyone who owns one or carries one. It's an offensive term, like "40 Short and Weak." Same mentality, or lack thereof, from both sources.
When did you get so sensitive?
Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
Not sensitive, and I'm not a fan of the 9mm as much as you might think. It's fine. I just don't like folks throwing off on the choices of others, unless it's an M 14.
Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
.40S&W, .40 short & weak, 10mm short, or 10mm
who cares, I shoot them all in mixed or unmixed clips in the same handgun.
CLIPS?!?!?!?!?!!?!? DID YOU REALLY SAY CLIPS?!?!?!!?!?
BLASPHEMY!!!! :jester:
Knowledge is essential to living freely and fully; understanding gives knowledge purpose and strength; wisdom is combining the two and applying them appropriately in words and actions.
Not sensitive, and I'm not a fan of the 9mm as much as you might think. It's fine. I just don't like folks throwing off on the choices of others, unless it's an M 14.
Whew! For a minute there I thought you had been to a diversity class or something...
Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
Gene L teaches those artsy fartsy sensitivity training classes..... :jester:
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Whew! For a minute there I thought you had been to a diversity class or something...
I took one of them Diversity classes once, that and a special episode of Walker Texas Ranger changed my life............:hug:
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
Yeah, as Paul said, but, was nice enough not to say; I set you up because
it is fun.
:rotflmao:
:bang: NO! No! I can't believe I fell for that.
:punch: Ok, back to school I go.....
Knowledge is essential to living freely and fully; understanding gives knowledge purpose and strength; wisdom is combining the two and applying them appropriately in words and actions.
I took one of them Diversity classes once, that and a special episode of Walker Texas Ranger changed my life............:hug:
:spittingcoffee: I have had a great morning reading a couple of threads. You guys are a hoot. "that and a special episode of Walker Texas Ranger" :yesno: :rotflmao:
The other thing is "silly meter" denegrates everyone who owns one or carries one. It's an offensive term, like "40 Short and Weak." Same mentality, or lack thereof, from both sources.
I guess I missed the point the first time around that I was getting a sensitivity lecture. I WISH TO APPOLOGIZE TO ALL FORUM MEMBERS for my lack of compassion in the case of the 9mm and it's intended use. I will go test the ammo again as penance.
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But, I'm the wrong guy for such training, after all I shoot .327 FM and don't go hide under the bed after I do.
I much prefer to call it the 10mm Minus P, myself, which is a much less cumbersome way of calling it the "But-I-Already-Had-A-Round-That-Performed-Like-A.45ACP - - -It's-Called-A-.45ACP" cartridge.
And "Sillymeter" is just a mouthful. Why not just call it the FemiNine. . .or would that be the .380?:jester:
Seriously, if you are in the camp of folks who spend lots of time worrying about handgun effectiveness by caliber, you need to realize that ALL handguns pretty much suck as combat implements, and the 9mm will get it done as well as the larger rounds you probably can't shoot as well, but that your ego forces you to carry anyway.
That sounds better than the 10 mm SCC (Special Consideration Cartridge). :jester:
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
9mm, 40SW, 45ACP... biases are based on tradition, upbringing and plain slack-jawed gunshow heehaw.
It's a handgun, not a man-stopper. Shoot them with everything in that gun--then reload. You want more reliable kills, use a rifle.
“There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
This thread seems to boil down to.. "mine's bigger, it's better "
I still say it's not the size that matters, but how you use it.
Clint Smith was once asked at a party by a woman, " I see you brought your gun, are you expecting trouble?"
Clint's response was , " No ma'am, if I was expecting trouble I would have brought my rifle. "
In my experience it's darn hard to carry an AR15 with you everywhere you go, even in pistol form.
Carry what you will shoot, and if need be shoot what you carry, be it .22 LR, 9mm or 45 ACP.
IMHO
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"A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
This thread seems to boil down to.. "mine's bigger, it's better "
I still say it's not the size that matters, but how you use it.
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I'm not sure that size does not matter because in a lot of handgun ammo power increases with size because of increased powder and bullet weight. What does that mean, it means bigger will handle barriers better.
I'm starting to play with what barrior in the real world will stop common SD bullets. Past playing around has shown 5 inches of paper does it unless it is .44 mag or bigger. But, nobody is going to hide behind 5 inches of paper.
But, what about 6" pine barrior, ie, 3 2x4's? Don't unless the shooter has .32 ammo. Today a.45 acp HP zipped right through like it was not there.
I think next time I'll go back to 9mm and try 6 2x4's and see how that works. I'm thinking 3 will stop the 9mm.
The best 9mm JHP loads today hit right at 400 ft lbs muzzle energy and have a one shot stopping power effectiveness that's as good as any and better than most, and they do it with a minimal amount of muzzle flash/recoil/ear splitting noise.
To call that innefective or innefficeient is....mistaken.
It is a GREAT cartridge that only neophytes criticize.
Make mine a S&W .50 Freudian Magnum as my BUG! :deadhorse:
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
The best 9mm JHP loads today hit right at 400 ft lbs muzzle energy and have a one shot stopping power effectiveness that's as good as any and better than most, and they do it with a minimal amount of muzzle flash/recoil/ear splitting noise.
To call that innefective or innefficeient is....mistaken.
It is a GREAT cartridge that only neophytes criticize.
I know I'm getting rid of my .45s based on this post.....
Dude...you have a habit of insulting folks when you post...probably ought to start using emoticons if you're kidding or think about what you're typing before you hit the "reply" button...
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"Well, given the fact that that round has killed more humans than all other rounds put together"
Killing defenseless folks sure did add to the count though, didn't it?
When did you get so sensitive?
Did you ever think it's possible you might have only hit it once out of the 5 shots?
who cares, I shoot them all in mixed or unmixed clips in the same handgun.
CLIPS?!?!?!?!?!!?!? DID YOU REALLY SAY CLIPS?!?!?!!?!?
BLASPHEMY!!!! :jester:
Whew! For a minute there I thought you had been to a diversity class or something...
it is fun.
:rotflmao:
I see a bad moon clip a rising,
I see trouble on the way. :roll2:
― Douglas Adams
I took one of them Diversity classes once, that and a special episode of Walker Texas Ranger changed my life............:hug:
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
:bang: NO! No! I can't believe I fell for that.
:punch: Ok, back to school I go.....
:spittingcoffee:
:spittingcoffee: I have had a great morning reading a couple of threads. You guys are a hoot. "that and a special episode of Walker Texas Ranger" :yesno: :rotflmao:
I guess I missed the point the first time around that I was getting a sensitivity lecture. I WISH TO APPOLOGIZE TO ALL FORUM MEMBERS for my lack of compassion in the case of the 9mm and it's intended use. I will go test the ammo again as penance.
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But, I'm the wrong guy for such training, after all I shoot .327 FM and don't go hide under the bed after I do.
The ammo performed extremely well, it penetrated an inch and a half of paper:
I much prefer to call it the 10mm Minus P, myself, which is a much less cumbersome way of calling it the "But-I-Already-Had-A-Round-That-Performed-Like-A.45ACP - - -It's-Called-A-.45ACP" cartridge.
And "Sillymeter" is just a mouthful. Why not just call it the FemiNine. . .or would that be the .380?:jester:
Seriously, if you are in the camp of folks who spend lots of time worrying about handgun effectiveness by caliber, you need to realize that ALL handguns pretty much suck as combat implements, and the 9mm will get it done as well as the larger rounds you probably can't shoot as well, but that your ego forces you to carry anyway.
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
That sounds better than the 10 mm SCC (Special Consideration Cartridge). :jester:
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
It's a handgun, not a man-stopper. Shoot them with everything in that gun--then reload. You want more reliable kills, use a rifle.
I still say it's not the size that matters, but how you use it.
Clint Smith was once asked at a party by a woman, " I see you brought your gun, are you expecting trouble?"
Clint's response was , " No ma'am, if I was expecting trouble I would have brought my rifle. "
In my experience it's darn hard to carry an AR15 with you everywhere you go, even in pistol form.
Carry what you will shoot, and if need be shoot what you carry, be it .22 LR, 9mm or 45 ACP.
IMHO
D
Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
I'm starting to play with what barrior in the real world will stop common SD bullets. Past playing around has shown 5 inches of paper does it unless it is .44 mag or bigger. But, nobody is going to hide behind 5 inches of paper.
But, what about 6" pine barrior, ie, 3 2x4's? Don't unless the shooter has .32 ammo. Today a.45 acp HP zipped right through like it was not there.
I think next time I'll go back to 9mm and try 6 2x4's and see how that works. I'm thinking 3 will stop the 9mm.
To call that innefective or innefficeient is....mistaken.
It is a GREAT cartridge that only neophytes criticize.
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
I know I'm getting rid of my .45s based on this post.....
Dude...you have a habit of insulting folks when you post...probably ought to start using emoticons if you're kidding or think about what you're typing before you hit the "reply" button...