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Thinking about a Christie/Cruz or Christie/Rubio ticket for 2016

samzheresamzhere BannedPosts: 10,923 Senior Member
More and more (especially with Bill Clinton's open disapproval of Obama) it seems that there will be a Hillary coronation celebration for the 2016 Democrat presidency.

As was said in another thread here, the pendulum is starting to swing back, and it will likely continue to do so in the next couple years, but mostly anti-Obama and not generally anti-liberal idiot. This pretty much guarantees a Hillary 8-year reign which will devastate things, especially via a revamped Supreme Court.

You can sign me up to the ABH (Anyone But Hillary) ticket today. And right now (and for the next few years, regrettably) this means that a genuine conservative really cannot expect to win the presidency. I don't mean that someone like Cruz or Rubio or Jindal wouldn't be a fine choice. They very likely would.

But face facts -- the general electorate just isn't yet moved that much back toward the right such that a conservative-led ticket can be elected in 2016.

Looking at Christie, I just have to realize the truth: He is probably the ONLY one who can defeat Hillary. He's got his failings -- he's obviously not an ideal conservative and is a genuine moderate Republican. But he's got the energy and willpower and brains and confrontational skills to win where similar middle-road Republicans like Romney had no zip or zim for victory.

If someone can recommend a genuine alternative ticket whom you think could actually defeat the Hillary juggernaut in 2016, please let's talk about it.

But I really cannot see anything feasible in this real world, real election potentials, real and authentic campaign, that would match a Christie/Cruz or Christie/Rubio ticket.

We've got to do SOMETHING to prevent a Hillary sweep, because if she wins she'll also bring in a Democrat-controlled House and Senate.

I honestly think that Christie would be acceptable. Realize, he can change and alter his views too, and a good solid support from the Cruz side of the party could easily influence his actions later. He'd at least be honest and open and a not-Democrat. Perfect? Of course not. Better than Hillary? Oh, my sodden spirit, yes.

Or whom do you see as more winnable? I like Cruz or Rubio, true, but I really cannot see their winning the election yet. The pendulum simply hasn't swung far enough yet.
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Hmmmm- - - - -choosing between Hilary or a fat RINO as POTUS- - - - -"Would you rather get beaten to death or shot?"
    Jerry
  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,973 Senior Member
    Cruz / Rubio

    That would lock up the Latino vote, and show the Republicans aren't the old white guy race hatin' party. Plus I like them as a team.

    D
    "A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,671 Senior Member
    I absolutely will not do what I did in 2008 and 2012. Christie? You have got to be kidding me...he is THE WORST possible choice. The ONLY thing he has going for him is his big mouth. Besides, who the hell wants an obese fatso who can't control his eating in the WH? I can just imagine the endless cases of Dunkin' deliveries every day at the West Wing.....LOL

    If so-called moderates like McCain and Romney couldn't win, what makes anyone think Christie could? He is anti-gun, a big government big spender and he has political problems that the Demonrats will exploit. NFW!

    I have a problem with these RINO types who go after TEA party people as much as Christie, McCain, McConnell and others. Screw them!
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 7,827 Senior Member
    Jeb Bush would be an excellent choice, he was a great Florida governor, but unfortunately I don't think the country would elect another Bush!!
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,671 Senior Member
    BigDanS wrote: »
    Cruz / Rubio

    That would lock up the Latino vote, and show the Republicans aren't the old white guy race hatin' party. Plus I like them as a team.

    This would be WAAAYYYYYYYY more acceptable.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,671 Senior Member
    Big Al1 wrote: »
    Jeb Bush would be an excellent choice, he was a great Florida governor, but unfortunately I don't think the country would elect another Bush!!
    Bush is as much of a Neocon/RINO as the rest of them. I'm not denying he was a good governor, but his recent statements regarding immigration, Common-Core education and other things makes him a not-so-attractive candidate to me.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 7,827 Senior Member
    Bush is as much of a Neocon/RINO as the rest of them. I'm not denying he was a good governor, but his recent statements regarding immigration, Common-Core education and other things makes him a not-so-attractive candidate to me.

    Wasn't aware of Jeb's views on those subjects!! Now, let's hear you opinion of former Republican Gov. Crist, who ran against Rubio as an Indi, and is now a butt wipe Demacrap!! AND don't hold back!! (but don't get banned either):jester:
  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,973 Senior Member
    Big Al1 wrote: »
    Wasn't aware of Jeb's views on those subjects!! Now, let's hear you opinion of former Republican Gov. Crist, who ran against Rubio as an Indi, and is now a butt wipe Demacrap!! AND don't hold back!! (but don't get banned either):jester:

    Crist is an extremely loyal politician, loyal to his campaign contributors whomever they may be. A least he is well known to flip flop and be slimy, right out in the public.

    D
    "A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,155 Senior Member
    Christie has passed gun control legislation in the past. I could not vote for him for POTUS. I would vote 3rd party instead.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • Ranch13Ranch13 Senior Member Posts: 820 Senior Member
    Vote for Christie? No I think if I had to vote for a democrat I'ld send my vote to one that's not afraid to admit he/she is a democrat..
    When the polls get outside of the huddlemasses and low info voters on the east coast the polls don't look good for Christie at all, and that's the way it should be.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,167 Senior Member
    Wouldn't vote for Obama cause we're racist. Won't vote for Hillary cause we're misogynistic......... we are just terrible people
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    It really doesn't matter who I want. By the time the primaries get to my state, the issue is already decided. The big money is already piling up behind whoever the chosen one happens to be.
    Teach your children to love guns, they'll never be able to afford drugs
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    Sam, what makes you think that Rubio or Cruz would run with Christie? They seem to be men of principle, and as such, all of their conservative credibility is lost if they choose to run with that fat, liberal, New Jersey, piece of crap.

    They know full well what McCain's campaign did to Palin after he lost.
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    Stop fretting about who the next president is going to be, and start focusing on who the next couple of Supreme Court Justices are going to be. Congress is likely to remain divided between the two parties, and that limits whichever imperfect politician wins the White House from another excursion into madcap, bankrupting socialism like Obamacare. But the SCOTUS is virtually forever - its rulings survive both the Justices that make them, and the administrations of many Presidents.

    Republicans are the biggest jerks in the free world. They are happy to eat their own, stay home on election day, and discard the good for not being perfect. Republicans are also very slow learners - the Democrats have shown us what a united party can achieve. Rarely do liberals break ranks at election time -they pull that lever for (D) without compulsion, they generally support their office holders without self-righteous rationalizations, and as anyone who watches a news channel now and then can attest, they almost never condemn any action committed by their own. AND FOR ALL OF THAT, DEMOCRATS HAVE LEARNED HOW TO WIN ELECTIONS. Republicans are happy to lose elections, and then wallow in self-righteous grief, justifying their LOSING ways with nitpicking and harping on the ideological flaws they found in their candidate.

    Consider Governor Christie. He has flaws aplenty and we all know what they are. But if he is the next Republican nominee, you can vote for him, or you can vote against him. For Hillary Clinton. DO NOT FOOL YOURSELF into thinking you can vote for the Libertarian candidate and avoid PERSONAL responsibility for electing Clinton. DO NOT FOOL YOURSELF into thinking that by not voting you send a message to the Republican Party. The only message you send by staying home is you're a flake. Sorry about that. Oh, and BTW, by staying home, you VOTE for Clinton.

    There is no such thing as not voting. Your actions on election day in 2016 will translate irrevocably into a vote for the lesser, or the greater, of two evils. If you vote for a RINO Republican, congratulations, you picked the lesser evil. If you vote for Mrs. Clinton, you voted for the greater evil. If you vote Libertarian, you voted for Mrs. Clinton. If you don't vote, you voted for Mrs. Clinton. Voting is achieved by an act of commission, and it is equally accomplished by act of OMMISSION. Do or don't, you vote just the same.
  • tv_racin_fantv_racin_fan Senior Member Posts: 660 Senior Member
    No way I vote for Christie or Romney or McCain. They are not any less evil they are a different evil not a less evil. Lucky for me I have never claimed to be a republican...
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    horselips wrote: »
    Stop fretting about who the next president is going to be, and start focusing on who the next couple of Supreme Court Justices are going to be. Congress is likely to remain divided between the two parties, and that limits whichever imperfect politician wins the White House from another excursion into madcap, bankrupting socialism like Obamacare. But the SCOTUS is virtually forever - its rulings survive both the Justices that make them, and the administrations of many Presidents.

    Republicans are the biggest jerks in the free world. They are happy to eat their own, stay home on election day, and discard the good for not being perfect. Republicans are also very slow learners - the Democrats have shown us what a united party can achieve. Rarely do liberals break ranks at election time -they pull that lever for (D) without compulsion, they generally support their office holders without self-righteous rationalizations, and as anyone who watches a news channel now and then can attest, they almost never condemn any action committed by their own. AND FOR ALL OF THAT, DEMOCRATS HAVE LEARNED HOW TO WIN ELECTIONS. Republicans are happy to lose elections, and then wallow in self-righteous grief, justifying their LOSING ways with nitpicking and harping on the ideological flaws they found in their candidate.

    Consider Governor Christie. He has flaws aplenty and we all know what they are. But if he is the next Republican nominee, you can vote for him, or you can vote against him. For Hillary Clinton. DO NOT FOOL YOURSELF into thinking you can vote for the Libertarian candidate and avoid PERSONAL responsibility for electing Clinton. DO NOT FOOL YOURSELF into thinking that by not voting you send a message to the Republican Party. The only message you send by staying home is you're a flake. Sorry about that. Oh, and BTW, by staying home, you VOTE for Clinton.

    There is no such thing as not voting. Your actions on election day in 2016 will translate irrevocably into a vote for the lesser, or the greater, of two evils. If you vote for a RINO Republican, congratulations, you picked the lesser evil. If you vote for Mrs. Clinton, you voted for the greater evil. If you vote Libertarian, you voted for Mrs. Clinton. If you don't vote, you voted for Mrs. Clinton. Voting is achieved by an act of commission, and it is equally accomplished by act of OMMISSION. Do or don't, you vote just the same.

    ^This^ message is brought to you by the committee to elect Chris Christie and paid for by the RNC.

    Do you really believe the SCOTUS picks even matter anymore? The current "conservative" court has bent us over time and again. The ACA ruling, Kelo, Genovevo Salinas, FISA, and even Heller has not benefitted gun owners in the real world.

    You really need to focus on the first six years of the Bush administration. That is the reason conservatives/libertarians do not trust, nor do they want another GOP POTUS, Senate, and House. The GOP brand is poisoned, and I mean POISONED to conservatives, independents, and libertarians. We don't want the snake oil you're slinging.

    The GOP MUST run a conservative candidate or else.
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Big Al1 wrote: »
    Jeb Bush would be an excellent choice, he was a great Florida governor, but unfortunately I don't think the country would elect another Bush!!

    I've always liked Jeb Bush too, and know for sure he'd go well as Prez. But I also agree there's no way voters will accept another Bush.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    And so we are all (Sam) perfectly clear, I will PROUDLY standup and say that I helped Billary get elected by voting third party if my "republican" choice is that fat bastard Christie, or another steaming turd like we have had the past few elections.

    Your statement falls in line with many here, and I really understand. But I simply don't agree.

    Do you really really want Eric Holder on the Supreme Court? And sitting next to John Kerry?

    That's the sort of SCOTUS we'd see if we elect Hillary.

    Conservatives stayed home in 2012 and we got another 4 years of Obama. Those who chose to not support Romney wanted to "punish" the country, and boy did they get their wish.

    I wouldn't be excited about Christie, not at all. But I live in the real world, not a post-apocalyptic fantasy nor in some "my way or the highway" purified society. I live in a flawed, human, and often frustrating world where I don't get my way. I haven't gotten my way since I was about, oh, 6 months old. Society can be a ratty thing and can often go wrong. Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose, sometimes it's a halfway deal. I can live with halfway. That's how I live with my girlfriend -- compromise. If I want it all my way, I can split with her but that's not what I really want. And every day when I step outside, I enter a world of compromise... I can't shoot the neighbor's dog nor shoot his noisy lawnmen whose blowers disturb me. I can't drive 75 down the street. I can't shove my way in front of line at the store.

    And I can't always choose exactly who will represent me in the mayor's office or congress or the presidency. I make do with this imperfect and flawed world and learn to live with adult things, such as maybe not hand-picking my president.

    I genuinely believe that there are people who are once more going to shoot themselves in the foot in 2016. It's a given.

    Sorry, but I do really think that we need to effect a compromise next time around, because the alternative will be having 2 new SCOTUS members like Kerry and Holder. And that frightens me.
  • BuffcoBuffco Senior Member Posts: 6,244 Senior Member
    Congratulations, Hillary Clinton.
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    I genuinely believe that there are people who are once more going to shoot themselves in the foot in 2016. It's a given.

    The GOP ran two RINOs in the last two elections and your solution to encourage conservatives to vote is to run another RINO?

    I'm not talking die-hard libertarians like me, I'm talking about middle America conservatives.
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • Ranch13Ranch13 Senior Member Posts: 820 Senior Member
    2016 is a lifetime away. Most folks realize Christie is out for him and him only. The Dems are in big trouble over the healthcare law and it's only going to get worse the further in it goes. Hillary was the darling of the press in 08 and they dropped her like a hot potato, she's got a ton of stuff to answer for during here Sec of state days.
    I'ld look for a more centrist candidate from the democrats like Bayh of Indiana or similar almost conservative common sensed person. The republicans will have a knockdown drag out primary again, Christie has to many things to ever get him past the primary voters and the caucus states.
    Worrying about the supreme court is for naught, as has been pointed out already look at all the good things Roberts has voted for... Besides if Reid and the crew maintain control of the senate there won't be any good judges confirmed no matter who the president is. Anybody old enough to remember Robert Bourke ?
    Time will tell who we have to choose from, but worrying about that stuff right now is just going to give you a headache you can't cure anyway. Let's wait till 15 to see who starts stepping up.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,928 Senior Member
    Christie! Are you kidding? Have you looked at New Jersey gun laws? With Christie on the ticket, we're going to end up with yet another election that offers us a pair of turd sandwiches encouraging us to take a great big bite of one or the other...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,671 Senior Member
    Big Al1 wrote: »
    Wasn't aware of Jeb's views on those subjects!! Now, let's hear you opinion of former Republican Gov. Crist, who ran against Rubio as an Indi, and is now a butt wipe Demacrap!! AND don't hold back!! (but don't get banned either):jester:
    The first two years of his administration I thought he was a halfway decent governor. It wasn't until Ovomit was handing out stimulus money and Crist gave him a big smoochy wet one and hugs over the issue that I started paying attention. I was getting email pleas from Florida conservative groups to write Crist in opposition to the liberal Florida Supreme Court judges he was nominating. I wrote Crist 3 or 4 times about two of them, and all I got were these BS letters in return with garbage about how "qualified" they were and how Florida needed more "diversity" on the bench (like ta' make me puke). They may have been judicially qualified, but a real conservative that he liked to portray himself as would never have nominated them. I was quite happy that he got beaten in the Governor's race and lost to Rubio in the Senate contest. I don't want that chameleon slime ball to ever win any Florida election again. He can go back to working for those ambulance chasing jizwad lawyers, Morgan & Morgan from Orlando.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,715 Senior Member
    I want Ryan/Cantor
    Shut up-----KAREN; OK Cynthia
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,671 Senior Member
    Ranch13 wrote: »
    ........Anybody old enough to remember Robert Bourke ?
    ...........
    Yeah, they turned his name into a verb, and Republicans started saying about anyone who was screwed over by Demonrats to have been "Borked."
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 7,827 Senior Member
    The first two years of his administration I thought he was a halfway decent governor. It wasn't until Ovomit was handing out stimulus money and Crist gave him a big smoochy wet one and hugs over the issue that I started paying attention. I was getting email pleas from Florida conservative groups to write Crist in opposition to the liberal Florida Supreme Court judges he was nominating. I wrote Crist 3 or 4 times about two of them, and all I got were these BS letters in return with garbage about how "qualified" they were and how Florida needed more "diversity" on the bench (like ta' make me puke). They may have been judicially qualified, but a real conservative that he liked to portray himself as would never have nominated them. I was quite happy that he got beaten in the Governor's race and lost to Rubio in the Senate contest. I don't want that chameleon slime ball to ever win any Florida election again. He can go back to working for those ambulance chasing jizwad lawyers, Morgan & Morgan from Orlando.

    Thank you, you did not disappoint, and that's about the same as I feel about Crist!!
    I like Ryan and Cantor!
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,495 Senior Member
    The first two years of his administration I thought he was a halfway decent governor. It wasn't until Ovomit was handing out stimulus money and Crist gave him a big smoochy wet one and hugs over the issue that I started paying attention. I was getting email pleas from Florida conservative groups to write Crist in opposition to the liberal Florida Supreme Court judges he was nominating. I wrote Crist 3 or 4 times about two of them, and all I got were these BS letters in return with garbage about how "qualified" they were and how Florida needed more "diversity" on the bench (like ta' make me puke). They may have been judicially qualified, but a real conservative that he liked to portray himself as would never have nominated them. I was quite happy that he got beaten in the Governor's race and lost to Rubio in the Senate contest. I don't want that chameleon slime ball to ever win any Florida election again. He can go back to working for those ambulance chasing jizwad lawyers, Morgan & Morgan from Orlando.
    Minor correction: I don't think Crist got beaten in the governor's race. I thought he stepped down, allowing (eventually) Alex Sink (D) and Gov. Rick Scott (R) to duke it out, and losing to Rubio in the Senate race. Incidentally, I believe he ran as an independent against Rubio after he started dropping behind Rubio in the runup to the primary.

    The man's a political opportunist who's been in politics as an aide or an elected official since 1988.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,671 Senior Member
    Minor correction: I don't think Crist got beaten in the governor's race. I thought he stepped down, allowing (eventually) Alex Sink (D) and Gov. Rick Scott (R) to duke it out, and losing to Rubio in the Senate race. Incidentally, I believe he ran as an independent against Rubio after he started dropping behind Rubio in the runup to the primary. The man's a political opportunist who's been in politics as an aide or an elected official since 1988.
    You are right, except he just did not run for re-election as governor in 2010 to run in the Senate race to replace Mel Martinez and lost to Rubio.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,667 Senior Member
    Paul is the only major GOP possibility that has any chance whatsoever. Otherwise, it will boil down to the choices we've had in every election since 1994: Socialism vs. Theocracy. Pick your poison, America.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,671 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Paul is the only major GOP possibility that has any chance whatsoever. Otherwise, it will boil down to the choices we've had in every election since 1994: Socialism vs. Theocracy. Pick your poison, America.
    I tend to agree with this. Rand Paul would attract the conservative/libertarian vote and some democrat/youth vote who are unhappy with the Obama style of giganto-government. 90-95% of blacks and the 30-35% hard-core leftists will never vote for any Republican anyway.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
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