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Thinking about a Christie/Cruz or Christie/Rubio ticket for 2016

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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    I'd hate to get between the NJ Fat Boy and a meal :yikes: :roll2::roll2:
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    CaliFFL wrote: »
    The GOP ran two RINOs in the last two elections and your solution to encourage conservatives to vote is to run another RINO?

    I'm not talking die-hard libertarians like me, I'm talking about middle America conservatives.

    I'm doing a flip-flop from my previous position of always voting for the lesser of the two evils - I'm finally admitting you are right about this - it ain't working...period. I had to see it twice before I was convinced.

    It's time for conservatives to either take over the Republican Party or jump ship. Jumping ship is a certain loser, but so is voting for a RINO, even if he wins.

    I have voted for the Republican nominee in every election since 1980, but I WILL NOT VOTE FOR CHRISTIE, period.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    And let me ask AGAIN, folks like Cali and others, TELL me whom you think can actually win the election against Hillary in 2016. Name for me the conservative who WILL carry the moderate states needed to win. I'll be HAPPY to vote for that winning conservative. And, btw, I'll also be happy to vote for a winning Christie campaign -- believe me, it won't be the placid, self-defeating campaign that Romney ran.

    Rand Paul, Cruz, Rubio, and maybe a couple others can win, if they can't be broken with character assassination, and if they play hardball all the way. There is likely a majority of folks who would prefer anyone that's not a Democrat...IF...you can inspire them enough to actually go vote. Everything that Obama or Hilary have ever touched has been a disaster, and whoever can successfully get that message out can win - makes not very much difference who delivers it, because there is ample evidence to support it, if you can just get people to examine it. Run against Obama and tie him around Hilary 's neck, and do not let her distance herself from his policies, which are not worse than her own would have been.

    A presidential debate is almost the only possible way to get past the 'state run' media filter that prevents the politically unsophisticated from getting the news that the Democrats have wrecked this country. Once they are on the case, they can find the supporting evidence, elsewhere, but the candidate has to have enough 'appeal' to make folks doubt what they have been believing enough to start digging for the truth.
  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,954 Senior Member
    I will disagree with you Sam. We NEED to include at least one minority (black, hispanic, female), and one with a libertarian/independent/constitutionalist viewpoint in order to take the wind out of Hillary's campaign.

    I would like to see something like Rubio/(Rand)Paul, or Allen West/Paul.

    But to be honest, I don't think the Republican party is smart enough to figure this out.

    Luis
    Wielding the Hammer of Thor first requires you to lift and carry the Hammer of Thor. - Bigslug
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    And let me ask AGAIN, folks like Cali and others, TELL me whom you think can actually win the election against Hillary in 2016. Name for me the conservative who WILL carry the moderate states needed to win. I'll be HAPPY to vote for that winning conservative. And, btw, I'll also be happy to vote for a winning Christie campaign -- believe me, it won't be the placid, self-defeating campaign that Romney ran.

    I've given you examples of candidates that can win if the old GOP establishment will support them. The only conservative excitement generated during the last two GOP runs was because the running mates were actually CONSERVATIVES. Let that sink into your skull. McCain and Romney boosted their vote counts by choosing conservative running mates because it motivates the conservative base.

    Conservatives and libertarians need candidates that we can vote FOR. What we (I) will no longer tolerate is voting against the other guy/gal.
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,667 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Because, face it even if you don't like it, Hillary has huge popularity among women.
    Yep - and as long as the Republicans run Dominionist Bible-thumpers, this will continue to be the case. But its obvious to me that the GOP just doesn't get it. Thanx to their moralizing and sticking their noses into people's private lives, they've given us 8 years of Socialist Hell already. I don't see much sign of that changing, the GOP will continue their unethical behavior, and we'll continue to get Socialist-Liberals voted into office as a result.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

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  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    I'd hate to get between the NJ Fat Boy and a meal :yikes: :roll2::roll2:

    The only thing more dangerous would be getting between Sheila Jackson Lee and a microphone or TV camera. SJL is our esteemed Houston US rep. She's famous for being at JSC where they controlled the Mars rover, and asking if they could steer it over to where the astronauts landed and planted the US flag.

    I'm thinkin' that Christie would probably just shove you aside rather than trample you.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Good suggestions, Jeeper.

    Cali, I'm well aware that we need a conservative slant to the Republican party but my only point is that right now or for 2016, the voters just aren't ready to get behind a true conservative. Yes, you and I and many others, but what's also needed are "halfway" conservatives who are somewhat moderate themselves but will vote for a conservative ticket. My contention is that it's just not yet time, we need another 6-8 years.
  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,249 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Look what happened in Virginia. Total Democrat nutjob Terry McAuliffe narrowly beat a solid, first rank, excellent conservative Cuccinelli. The Demos outspent the Republicans about 5:1 and still nearly lost. Despite being a fine candidate, Cuccinelli just didn't make it.

    Here is your answer for why McAuliffe won. The RINOs spent money on Tubby's election in Jersey. Spent it like they were going on a bender. Even though Tubby was not in any trouble, he had the election sewed up. Cuccinelli went broke trying to get to election day. His ads were non-existent for the last five weeks of the election. Despite wild claims of wrongdoing, (false) and typical Clintonesque tactics, Cuccinelli almost pulled it out. What would have happened if he had been supported by the party better? They wouldn't of course because he is an evil conservative. The Republicans need to pay attention. We are not going to support them when they continue to throw us under the bus!
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  • Pelagic KayakerPelagic Kayaker Banned Posts: 1,503 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Yep - and as long as the Republicans run Dominionist Bible-thumpers, this will continue to be the case. But its obvious to me that the GOP just doesn't get it. Thanx to their moralizing and sticking their noses into people's private lives, they've given us 8 years of Socialist Hell already. I don't see much sign of that changing, the GOP will continue their unethical behavior, and we'll continue to get Socialist-Liberals voted into office as a result.

    Dang Zorba, that was good. :up:
  • Pelagic KayakerPelagic Kayaker Banned Posts: 1,503 Senior Member
    horselips wrote: »
    Stop fretting about who the next president is going to be, and start focusing on who the next couple of Supreme Court Justices are going to be. Congress is likely to remain divided between the two parties, and that limits whichever imperfect politician wins the White House from another excursion into madcap, bankrupting socialism like Obamacare. But the SCOTUS is virtually forever - its rulings survive both the Justices that make them, and the administrations of many Presidents.



    Yes, however, it is the POTUS who appoints these Justices.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    I didn't mean I wouldn't vote for a conservative. But one has to make it past the primary first. I'm just saying that I don't believe an independent or third party candidate has a chance of winning. And If they can't get the Repub Nomination I'm not voting for them. I don't care if it's Christie or Chris as long as he's the Repub nominee he gets my vote. But like I said, if a conservative can get the Repub nomination He gets my vote because if he an get that nomination I believe he/she can win. But I'm not voting for anyone that doesn't get the nomination because in my opinion that is nothing but a vote for Billary. And she will be our death nell. Anything is better than that. Because like I said, if the President wins on the Republican platform he/she probably won't stray from our values. There's too much pressure from the party. No, Christie won't be like Rand Paul or Cruz, but he'll be bound by too many repubs to go that far off course. But lets pray we get a conservative nominated.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Also, I think the Republican party will wise up. Don't let those Senate Rinos make you think that the core of the party isn't getting the message. Those Senate Rinos like all Rinos are just playing both ends against the middle. Look at the real Republican leadership. Not the Rinos.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    Here is your answer for why McAuliffe won. The RINOs spent money on Tubby's election in Jersey. Spent it like they were going on a bender. Even though Tubby was not in any trouble, he had the election sewed up. Cuccinelli went broke trying to get to election day. His ads were non-existent for the last five weeks of the election. Despite wild claims of wrongdoing, (false) and typical Clintonesque tactics, Cuccinelli almost pulled it out. What would have happened if he had been supported by the party better? They wouldn't of course because he is an evil conservative. The Republicans need to pay attention. We are not going to support them when they continue to throw us under the bus!

    And don't overlook the fact that the Dems poured money into a third party candidate who probably pulled enough votes to make the difference. And never, never, never discount the likelihood of voter fraud, which can make the difference in a close election. Terry McAuliffe could have never won on his merits as a candidate, without a major media cover-up of his past, fueled by unknown millions of campaign dollars that probably were indirectly siphoned off of all the stimulus bail-out fund kickbacks. This is one of the most corrupt and vicious individuals to ever be involved in major politics, and a small amount of support from the Republican establishment could have blasted him into oblivion, as a candidate for office.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,670 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    ..........This is one of the most corrupt and vicious individuals to ever be involved in major politics, and a small amount of support from the Republican establishment could have blasted him into oblivion, as a candidate for office.
    All the more reason to blast RINO/Neocons into oblivion next time around.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • mohicanmohican Member Posts: 381 Member
    Cruz will not get hispanics to flock to the GOP in the same manner that Sarah Palin did not get a lot of extra women voters to vote for McLame.

    Plus, Cruz could muddy his own water with the possibility that he is not a natural born citizen.....

    It's time to stop giving the two party system legitimacy.
  • Jack BurtonJack Burton Member Posts: 379 Member
    mohican wrote: »
    It's time to stop giving the two party system legitimacy.

    The only way to guarantee a single party system.
    Came for the fishing, stayed for the guns.
  • Jack BurtonJack Burton Member Posts: 379 Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Yep - and as long as the Republicans run Dominionist Bible-thumpers, this will continue to be the case. But its obvious to me that the GOP just doesn't get it. Thanx to their moralizing and sticking their noses into people's private lives, they've given us 8 years of Socialist Hell already. I don't see much sign of that changing, the GOP will continue their unethical behavior, and we'll continue to get Socialist-Liberals voted into office as a result.

    Good lord :wink: Zorba, no one has been thumping bibles while on the stump since the days of Father Coughlin? Who's been in peoples' private lives more than the Socialist-Liberals and their statist utopia? Which isn't even close to being fully implemented. Our nation was founded and governed by far more religious folks in the past, than it is today, and yet no inquisitions, no reformations, nor any "church of America" exists or ever existed.
    Came for the fishing, stayed for the guns.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,667 Senior Member
    Good lord :wink: Zorba, no one has been thumping bibles while on the stump since the days of Father Coughlin? Who's been in peoples' private lives more than the Socialist-Liberals and their statist utopia? Which isn't even close to being fully implemented. Our nation was founded and governed by far more religious folks in the past, than it is today, and yet no inquisitions, no reformations, nor any "church of America" exists or ever existed.
    Obviously, you haven't been paying attention to the GOP in the last 25 years or so. They need to butt out of Abortion and Gay marriage and similar things that are no-one's business except the people involved.

    The Socialist-Liberals and the Theocratic-Republicans are two sides of the same distasteful coin. Obama didn't win the last election, the GOP lost it because of their unethical moralizing. As long as the GOP continues down the road to Theocracy, we're gonna get stuck with the Hell of Socialism. As it is, give me "none of the above" PLEASE.

    Neither party is interested in true Freedom - they're BOTH a form of slavery, just pick your poison.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

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  • Jack BurtonJack Burton Member Posts: 379 Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Obviously, you haven't been paying attention to the GOP in the last 25 years or so. They need to butt out of Abortion and Gay marriage and similar things that are no-one's business except the people involved.
    And the PEOPLE have voted which way on gay marriage, EVERY TIME? As for abortion where is the butting out needed in the Kermit Gosnell case? Isn't legal abortion butting into peoples lives if the father wants the child, ergo Wade in Roe V Wade?
    zorba wrote: »
    The Socialist-Liberals and the Theocratic-Republicans are two sides of the same distasteful coin. Obama didn't win the last election, the GOP lost it because of their unethical moralizing. As long as the GOP continues down the road to Theocracy, we're gonna get stuck with the Hell of Socialism. As it is, give me "none of the above" PLEASE.
    In the past 237 years show me where, when, or even how a theocracy has EVER been proposed by ANY serious presidential candidate within the borders of this nation, much less the GOP.
    Came for the fishing, stayed for the guns.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    Kris Krispy.

    I crack myself up.
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,667 Senior Member
    Dude, do your research, I'm not gonna do it for you. Google "Rick Santorum" for starters, and read some of the Dominionist, Christianist drivel that has come out of that man's mouth.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • Jack BurtonJack Burton Member Posts: 379 Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Dude, do your research, I'm not gonna do it for you. Google "Rick Santorum" for starters, and read some of the Dominionist, Christianist drivel that has come out of that man's mouth.

    OK googled him, but where's the part about him seeking to convert you or anyone else to Christianity? Or any of the other 8 or 10 who were all seeking the GOP nomination in 2011.

    Would you at least agree that this nation is far more secular today than it had been in the past? Yet where was the inquisitions and forced conversions from years past, and what is the likelihood of them being perpetrated in the future?
    Came for the fishing, stayed for the guns.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    Don't bother trying to confuse radical anti-Christians with facts. They make their arguments the same way as liberals - take a little anecdotal evidence about past transgressions, blow it up out of all proportion to the actual facts, and then tar half the population with the same wide brush - treat it as though it were the norm, then bait and switch till the cows come home. Doesn't convince anybody that doesn't already agree, but it derails any chance of having an honest discussion that could result in any reasonable solutions.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,670 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    Don't bother trying to confuse radical anti-Christians with facts. They make their arguments the same way as liberals - take a little anecdotal evidence about past transgressions, blow it up out of all proportion to the actual facts, and then tar half the population with the same wide brush - treat it as though it were the norm, then bait and switch till the cows come home. Doesn't convince anybody that doesn't already agree, but it derails any chance of having an honest discussion that could result in any reasonable solutions.
    I was thinking exactly the same thing several posts up the line. I'm not big on religion, but I would be the last person to start banning the 10 Commandments on court buildings, suing municipalities for having Christmas or Hanukkah displays on public property and saying prayers in public meetings or castigating Republicans for trying to encourage a little Christian morality into their campaigns. The left is promoting 'Allah' and Muslim ideology, while at the same time attempting to rid the country of Christianity. Stuff like that comes right out of the progresso-lib Marxist playbook for destroying the America we know. While I am a Libertarian leaning Conservative, I want no part of the left's' crap.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • Jack BurtonJack Burton Member Posts: 379 Member
    The fact of the matter is, I once thought as they did. Like most in their mid-twenty's I thought I knew it all, until I was challenged on it a few times, then my thinking evolved (no pun intended). I probably haven't been inside a church in over 10 years, but I just cannot abide the irrational reaction some have to persons of the christian faith.

    This nation was founded and built into the greatest nation the world has ever known and in that time 90-95% of the population was far more devout than they are today, so how in the heck is 20-30% of the population such a threat?
    Came for the fishing, stayed for the guns.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Jack, don't you know there won't be any atheists in hell? By the time they get there, they'll all be believers!
    Jerry
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,667 Senior Member
    Don't confuse me with a leftist, or an atheist. I'm neither. I just don't like the "Christian Nation" rhetoric that is coming out of the Right - its as bad as the Socialist Liberal BS coming from the Left. The 10 commandments are an interesting combination of "universal truths" and admonishments peculiar to the JCI (Judaic/Christian/Islamic) triumvirate of monotheistic religions. The "universal truths" apply to everyone, the rest is only appropriate for said monotheists - of which I'm not.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • Jack BurtonJack Burton Member Posts: 379 Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Don't confuse me with a leftist, or an atheist. I'm neither. I just don't like the "Christian Nation" rhetoric that is coming out of the Right - its as bad as the Socialist Liberal BS coming from the Left. The 10 commandments are an interesting combination of "universal truths" and admonishments peculiar to the JCI (Judaic/Christian/Islamic) triumvirate of monotheistic religions. The "universal truths" apply to everyone, the rest is only appropriate for said monotheists - of which I'm not.
    Sorry, I just don't see it. What I do see far more often is an irrational war on Christianity as a means to expunge any vestige of morality and concepts of right and wrong in this country. I view a Santorum as someone who may not reflect my beliefs exactly, but I respect them and would not begrudge him his candidacy. That is not to say that I've never heard of Terry Jones and others of his ilk, but I wouldn't be surprised that for every one of them there are 2 like Jeremiah Wright out there.
    Came for the fishing, stayed for the guns.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,667 Senior Member
    "War on Christianity". Oh please...

    "Morality" is a word I don't care for - I prefer "Ethics". "Morality", much like "Laws" are an imperfect way to codify the uncodifable - ETHICS. Except "Morality" usually has religious overtones. Be that as it may, I have no problem with the Santorums of the world running for office either - AS LONG AS they keep their religion to themselves. And I don't care if he's Christian, Hindu, Pagan, Bhuddist, Moslem, Atheist, Shinto, or whatever - just don't try to legislate YOUR religion on everyone else. Christianity has a 2,000 year history of imposing their beliefs on others - willing or not. Forgive me if I look at the Santorums of the world with a jaundiced eye.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
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