The 2025 CAFE standard is 54.5 mpg

tennmike

I have no idea how they are going to do this without making cars out of cardboard and using the Kia hamsters for the power plant. I sort of suspect that they will be depending on all electrics, or hybrids to offset the lesser mileage of the gas only vehicles. Chevy has a new diesel engine slated for introduction in 2013, but it has so far attained less mileage than the Volkswagen diesels already on the market here. The Volkswagens are getting close to that 54.5 mpg mark already.

All electrics are not a viable alternative over huge areas of the U.S. Even as an urban commuter, they aren't all that great. There are not enough charging stations built or planned for them yet, so getting stuck with a depleted battery is still a huge drawback to their use. And they still cause pollution because coal, oil, and natural gas is still king for electric generation.

Anyway, the Motor Trend site has some interesting information on the subject with imbedded links. Check it out; interesting stuff.

http://wot.motortrend.com/president-obama-debuts-54-5-mpg-cafe-fuel-economy-standard-for-2025-102217.html

Buford

Electric vehicles are the way to go. Electricity just comes out of the wall.

tennmike

Do you have the plastic outlet covers with the lead (Pb) inside to keep the nookleer lektricity from leaking out on the floor and contaminating the rooms? A LONG time ago, there was an outfit that sold them. Made some good coin until people wised up to the scheme.:rotflmao:
If that danged outfit Solara or whatever they were called had been smart enough to market solar cell powered vehicle charge stations, they might still be in bidness, at least in California, Florida, and states that get lotsa sunshine. Been cloudy here for over a week; solar voltaics don't work so good when it's cloudy.

Jermanator

cpj wrote: »

I dont know why they cant. If they can take a 500 HP Corvette and have it get close 30 MPG on the highway.....

They did it way back when in the GEO Metros. Heck, my 6000 pound 3/4 ton, Duramax turbo diesel equipped truck gets 25mpg since we a put a new chip in it. It is entirely possible that they could make a 1/2 ton truck or SUV get 35 MPG with a 4 cylinder diesel. The Ford Festivas with diesel engines are getting 60 or so MPG right now but they aren't selling them in the US!

shotgunshooter3

Judging the performance of small diesels such as the VW Jetta TDI I think with some more R&D this could be totally doable, highway MPG, in small cars. I'm still waiting patiently for a midsize truck/SUV using a smaller diesel as a powerplant.

tennmike

To attain the mileage in all the fossil fueled vehicles, I think that the diesel engine will be the only one that will win out in the mileage race. Volkswagen has some nice cars that get good mpg now, and they have decent front and rear seat room. Chevy is bringing out a turbo diesel in one of their cars for the 2013 model year, the Chevy Cruze. From what writeups I've seen, the Cruze is not nearly as nice as the VW offerings. But then, I may be a little biased towards VW, they just opened a new plant in Chattanooga. I could buy a VW and say I bought an American made vehicle that is locally produced. Nothing wrong with that!

NN

My present F-150 gets MPG than the old one that got 16.

Jermanator

shotgunshooter3 wrote: »

I'm still waiting patiently for a midsize truck/SUV using a smaller diesel as a powerplant.

GM was on the verge of putting out a 1/2 ton truck with a turbo diesel before they went bankrupt. They would have sold the heck out of them and if they did it right, they would be much more fuel efficient than the gas ones and still have the performance. Why they didn't continue that is beyond me. Don't Obama's car czars understand that I can't haul tools, lumber, and drywall around in a Volt?

Bigslug

Seems to me like a lazy man's solution to the whole fossil fuel problem: "Let's just make sure we don't run out of oil while WE'RE alive. That way our grandchildren can sort out this whole alternative fuels issue."

And I get a real kick out of the proposed amount of money we'll save. Maybe the cars of 2025 will get triple the mileage they do now. Anybody wanna bet against gas costing $12 a gallon by then? Whatever the average fuel cost, I'm sure the oil companies will figure out a way to make it siphon off the same amount of our money.

rallykid

Look at the cars in Europe compared to the cars here, they get a LOT more MPG than we get here. How do they do it? Higher octane fuel and they don't have the archaic emissions laws from the 70's that we have. Ditch the ridiculous emissions that we are burdened with and we will get the same benifits that the Europeans and Japanese have of high MPG cars. Oh, and their air is just as clean as ours, emission laws are as big of a government scam as gun control laws are.

ghostsniper1

Anybody ever read up on using vaporized fuel to power our present day gasoline engines???? Seriously. I have read alot into it and pittled around with a few ideas when the lightbulb went off in my head. Found out a free and efficient way to do so. Just gotta try it to see if it works. Also have a fully electric car idea that is capable of recharging itself and sustaining itself for waaaayyyyy longer periods than what is available now. Again, it should work in theory, but I just have to get the time to try it. And no Im not talking about perpetual motion. I just installed an engine in a Honda civic hybrid a week ago, which really spawned some interest in my theories. I could easily cruise at 40mph while the mpg guage read anywhere from 60 to 80 mpg. Pretty impressive for a 2003.

scottd

Fred Flintstone did better then that and that was in the stone age.

shotgunshooter3

Jermanator wrote: »

GM was on the verge of putting out a 1/2 ton truck with a turbo diesel before they went bankrupt.

I heard that rumor about Ford too. Supposedly Nissan got a research grant for it, and it's to be expected in the 2014 Titan (whatever). If it ever makes it to the production line, and into the XTerra or Frontier (they all share the Titan frame) I will be holding off until then to buy my next vehicle.

breamfisher

rallykid wrote: »

Look at the cars in Europe compared to the cars here, they get a LOT more MPG than we get here. How do they do it? Higher octane fuel and they don't have the archaic emissions laws from the 70's that we have. Ditch the ridiculous emissions that we are burdened with and we will get the same benifits that the Europeans and Japanese have of high MPG cars. Oh, and their air is just as clean as ours, emission laws are as big of a government scam as gun control laws are.

True, but they also use much more public transportation to move folks around. Which is subsidized in part by screaming high gas taxes, which lead to a push towards fuel-efficient engines so folks could afford to drive them.

You can have cleaner air with less restrictive emissions laws, but that's dependent in part on a hauling 20-30 people around on a city bus such that the bus, whose emissions may be 5 times that of one here in the US, but that's minimized by the fact that less diesel overall is being used to move that many people around. Also people there live closer to work.

We can't use a European solution if we're going to act like Americans.