If you remember the Jeep, I bet you remember the Gama Goat
Now that sucker would go anywhere, but was easy to roll on pavement and was a death trap if you did
I hated them darn things with a passion. I hated riding in the back, driving or even looking at them. Loud and dangerous!
We did used the batteries to set of some homemade shape-charges in the Graf training area demo range....Pepsi cans/C-4/popsicle sticks/blasting caps/det cord/electrical fuse
And I remember they USED to tell us to look away when crimping the blasting caps (later changed so to look at what you were doing... DUH) and only use Sergeants (?) brand crimping pliers!
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PROPHESY: Within 5 years, Glock will introduce a generation 5, 6 or whatever pistol with a frame mounted thumb safety, a grip safety, or a SA/DA mechanism complete with a de-cocker for its partially pre-cocked striker. Or, better yet, a combination of a grip safety and either one of the other two.
Five years, mark your calendars, you heard it here first.
I wouldn't be upset with the option for a grip safety.
They will make whatever market research points them to and that very well may be an option, especially for the American market. So far they have done a tremendous job selling their line of pistols, worldwide.
They are a good product, rugged and reliable. I won't argue that point....Fugly, but who is looking :tooth:
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PROPHESY: Within 5 years, Glock will introduce a generation 5, 6 or whatever pistol with a frame mounted thumb safety, a grip safety, or a SA/DA mechanism complete with a de-cocker for its partially pre-cocked striker. Or, better yet, a combination of a grip safety and either one of the other two.
Five years, mark your calendars, you heard it here first.
Will it still cost them $3.29 to build the pistol since it is all plastic junk?
The National Rifleman a few issues back had 1911s of the Texas Rangers from years past. About half of them had a rawhide string around them disabling the grip safety. I'm just saying.
Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
If I had ever had a grip safety fail me I would too but it has NEVER happened so it does not bother me.
I've never had it happen.......when the gun is equipped with an arched MSH and a memory bump on the grip safety. Guns with flat MSHs and smooth grip safeties don't like me very much though. I tend to grip very high on the gun, without the arched MSH angling the web of my hand into the pistol, I find myself actually pushing UP on the underside of the grip safety, instead of pushing FORWARDS into the gun.
If I'm thinking about it I don't have any problems, it has however, happened enough times that carrying one would give me serious hesitation.
Why thank you, I've enjoyed most of it so far :tooth:
And thanks everyone for your input. I've gotten an earful and some insights on Glocks I didn't have beforehand. And lots of OPINIONS
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Putting a grip safety on a Glock is like putting seat belts on a motorcycle.
Good one, funny analogy Gene.
I remember in Afghanistan they made us wear seat-belts in a Gator and we were thunking what difference would it make if an MRAP or Jingle truck crushed you.
Like when I attended a briefing where they put put out it was mandatory to wear reflective belts after dark, no exceptions anytime you were outside (this is on/inside Bagram Base) then the next sentence was to be careful snipers have been reported in the area...........:yikes::yikes:
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And will pass undetected through metal scanners.:tooth:
Yes, but if they had a metal grip safety attached alarm bells/sirens would go off :jester: :devil:
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The grip safety has always seemed meaningless to me, but I have never considered disabling it.
Defeating a factory safety device could create issues in today's litigious atmosphere and with over zealous prosecutors.
Sadly, it wouldn't matter if the defeated safety could have prevented said shooting or remotely had anything to do with it, they would try to paint the owner as reckless and one who ignored his own safety and that of others by defeating a factory installed safety device.
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Nowadays, the beaver tail grip safety has eliminated a lot of grip safety problems.
I've never had an issue with grip safeties on .45s, remember it was added as to "GI Proof" the 1911, yes?
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I've never had an issue with grip safeties on .45s, remember it was added as to "GI Proof" the 1911, yes?
That was the thumb safety. The 1910 and original prototype 1911s had no thumb safety, but the cavalry asked for a thumb safety. Makes easier to render "safe" and not shoot your horse.
That was the thumb safety. The 1910 and original prototype 1911s had no thumb safety, but the cavalry asked for a thumb safety. Makes easier to render "safe" and not shoot your horse.
Correct, It originally was specified by the Army to have one, not added later, I stand corrected. I was thinking the Army demanded a grip safety in its specifications.
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You are right, it's impossible to GI proof anything 100%. Or "Civilian proof" either.
I know of three instances of a .45 going bang (AD/ND) when while I was on active duty.
A major was bored late at night and had duty in Ops Center in Germany, he was twirling his loaded .45 around and it went off and blew a hole through an expensive STU Secure telephone.
A pay guard/SP4 in my platoon was supposed to be clearing his .45 and did the ole drop the mag and pulled the trigger to clear it routine without clearing/checking the chamber. It went through his kneecap.
Someone unfamiliar with guns picked up my Springfield armory .45 off a desk less than 10 feet away from me which was in condition III (mag loaded and inserted, empty chamber) and before any of us could stop him had racked the slide and pulled the trigger, it blew out a window. Thank God no one was hurt. I was still in the Army at the time, he was a civilian who may of had a stint earlier, I don't remember.
The other was unrelated to 1911s, a contractor in Iraq using an H&K 12 shot .45 I loaned him to go out the gate and who said he used to be a Cop/Jailer in Atlanta blew a hole in the asphalt 'Clearing" it when he got back.
All the above instances could have been avoided by following gun safety/handling procedures.
Would there have been more AD/ND without grip safeties/external safeties......probably knowing GIs like I do, anything can and will happen.
They (above) all managed to circumvent the safety devices or used improper clearing procedures in the incidents above and all of them could have been avoided.
It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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A major was bored late at night and had duty in Ops Center in Germany, he was twirling his loaded .45 around and it went off and blew a hole through an expensive STU Secure telephone.
Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot!
Was he twirling it by the trigger guard?
-Zorba, "The Veiled Male"
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
Yes, earlier, but he had to have chambered a round, left the safety off and depressed the grip safety in order for it to fire.
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I hated them darn things with a passion. I hated riding in the back, driving or even looking at them. Loud and dangerous!
We did used the batteries to set of some homemade shape-charges in the Graf training area demo range....Pepsi cans/C-4/popsicle sticks/blasting caps/det cord/electrical fuse
And I remember they USED to tell us to look away when crimping the blasting caps (later changed so to look at what you were doing... DUH) and only use Sergeants (?) brand crimping pliers!
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
Five years, mark your calendars, you heard it here first.
Ummmm, suuuurrrreee.
:roll:
They will make whatever market research points them to and that very well may be an option, especially for the American market. So far they have done a tremendous job selling their line of pistols, worldwide.
They are a good product, rugged and reliable. I won't argue that point....Fugly, but who is looking :tooth:
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
Will it still cost them $3.29 to build the pistol since it is all plastic junk?
And will pass undetected through metal scanners.:tooth:
:that:
It is my OPINION, that there is no reason to have a thumb safety on a defensive handgun.
It is an indisputable ( :tooth: ) FACT, that grip safeties on a defensive handgun are just idiotic.
:that:
and so on.
I guess a grip safety is bad too, look at the XDm, can't rack the slide without the grip safety depressed.
Don't have to use the thumb safety and could tape the grip safety down.
Why not just learn how to use your handgun or get a different one.
I have considered doing that to my 1911s as well.
I've never had it happen.......when the gun is equipped with an arched MSH and a memory bump on the grip safety. Guns with flat MSHs and smooth grip safeties don't like me very much though. I tend to grip very high on the gun, without the arched MSH angling the web of my hand into the pistol, I find myself actually pushing UP on the underside of the grip safety, instead of pushing FORWARDS into the gun.
If I'm thinking about it I don't have any problems, it has however, happened enough times that carrying one would give me serious hesitation.
Why thank you, I've enjoyed most of it so far :tooth:
And thanks everyone for your input. I've gotten an earful and some insights on Glocks I didn't have beforehand. And lots of OPINIONS
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
Good one, funny analogy Gene.
I remember in Afghanistan they made us wear seat-belts in a Gator and we were thunking what difference would it make if an MRAP or Jingle truck crushed you.
Like when I attended a briefing where they put put out it was mandatory to wear reflective belts after dark, no exceptions anytime you were outside (this is on/inside Bagram Base) then the next sentence was to be careful snipers have been reported in the area...........:yikes::yikes:
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
Yes, but if they had a metal grip safety attached alarm bells/sirens would go off :jester: :devil:
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
"The Un-Tactical"
Defeating a factory safety device could create issues in today's litigious atmosphere and with over zealous prosecutors.
Sadly, it wouldn't matter if the defeated safety could have prevented said shooting or remotely had anything to do with it, they would try to paint the owner as reckless and one who ignored his own safety and that of others by defeating a factory installed safety device.
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
I've never had an issue with grip safeties on .45s, remember it was added as to "GI Proof" the 1911, yes?
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
"The Un-Tactical"
Correct, It originally was specified by the Army to have one, not added later, I stand corrected. I was thinking the Army demanded a grip safety in its specifications.
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
You are right, it's impossible to GI proof anything 100%. Or "Civilian proof" either.
I know of three instances of a .45 going bang (AD/ND) when while I was on active duty.
A major was bored late at night and had duty in Ops Center in Germany, he was twirling his loaded .45 around and it went off and blew a hole through an expensive STU Secure telephone.
A pay guard/SP4 in my platoon was supposed to be clearing his .45 and did the ole drop the mag and pulled the trigger to clear it routine without clearing/checking the chamber. It went through his kneecap.
Someone unfamiliar with guns picked up my Springfield armory .45 off a desk less than 10 feet away from me which was in condition III (mag loaded and inserted, empty chamber) and before any of us could stop him had racked the slide and pulled the trigger, it blew out a window. Thank God no one was hurt. I was still in the Army at the time, he was a civilian who may of had a stint earlier, I don't remember.
The other was unrelated to 1911s, a contractor in Iraq using an H&K 12 shot .45 I loaned him to go out the gate and who said he used to be a Cop/Jailer in Atlanta blew a hole in the asphalt 'Clearing" it when he got back.
All the above instances could have been avoided by following gun safety/handling procedures.
Would there have been more AD/ND without grip safeties/external safeties......probably knowing GIs like I do, anything can and will happen.
They (above) all managed to circumvent the safety devices or used improper clearing procedures in the incidents above and all of them could have been avoided.
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
Was he twirling it by the trigger guard?
Yes, earlier, but he had to have chambered a round, left the safety off and depressed the grip safety in order for it to fire.
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
Unless it was a Glock... :devil: