Concealed Draw Time???

NCFUBAR

I have a co-worker who claims he can draw from concealment and put 2 rounds in a target 7 yards down range in .65 seconds per a Pact timer. I just don't believe that ... IPSC and IDPA in the past just seems to make me doubt .65 sec ... does this sound possible or is the BS detector going off?

Lerchess

It is possible. Its a really good time, but possible.

The biggest thing that will hold up your time is using a .45 Loooong Colt

timc

NCFUBAR wrote: »

I have a co-worker who claims he can draw from concealment and put 2 rounds in a target 7 yards down range in .65 seconds per a Pact timer. I just don't believe that ... IPSC and IDPA in the past just seems to make me doubt .65 sec ... does this sound possible or is the BS detector going off?

That is very fast and believe he will eventually shoot himself in the butt! I was always taught good was from concealment to fire in 1.5 seconds when confronted with something more dangerous than a pact timer.

DoctorWho

I don't think outside of a shooting event that (Draw) time itself is that important, there are too many other elements to consider first.

centermass556

I concur Doc, and then add...Slow is smooth, smooth is fast

.65 for a concealed weapon.? I don't believe it, I'm thinking .5 just to remove the concealing factor, even if it is just under your shirt...So we are talking .65 from the time he places his hand on the weapon? reconginizes the need to draw? or touches the outside of the concealing factor? If it is from the time he recognizes the need to draw, there is no way, and sure as heck not with rounds "in a" target...At the absolute best I would maybe believe "in the general direction" of a target...

Jeeper

I'm betting that he's starting with his hand on the gun already. *That* isn't really from a concealed position IMO. Still... it's *possible*. Anybody who's seen Bob Munden (if I recall his name correctly) knows that there are some people who are just faster than the eye can follow.

Luis

shotgunshooter3

That's a damn good draw time, but I bet it could be possible. When I carry on my person it's 95% of the time it's in an OWB holster under an untucked t-shirt, usually unbuttoned, so with practice I could see a draw that fast.

breamfisher

The old standard at Gunsite in the Cooper days (don't know now) was 1.5 seconds from a hands clear position to draw an put 2 shots into a target at 7 yards. That was with an open topped holster with no concealing garment.

Chuck Taylor's students get a 1-second double-tap speed rock at arm's length. I believe that's with no concealing garment.

Todd Jarret managed to draw from concealment and do the double-tap at arm's length in 0.98 seconds at an IDPA competition. He was the only one to accomplish it in under a second.

I kinda doubt that it's possible, personally.

Spk

NCFUBAR wrote: »

I have a co-worker who claims he can draw from concealment and put 2 rounds in a target 7 yards down range in .65 seconds per a Pact timer. I just don't believe that ... IPSC and IDPA in the past just seems to make me doubt .65 sec ... does this sound possible or is the BS detector going off?

Tell him to put that on Youtube so the rest of us can be impressed. :yawn:

NCFUBAR

breamfisher wrote: »

The old standard at Gunsite in the Cooper days (don't know now) was 1.5 seconds from a hands clear position to draw an put 2 shots into a target at 7 yards. That was with an open topped holster with no concealing garment.

Chuck Taylor's students get a 1-second double-tap speed rock at arm's length. I believe that's with no concealing garment.

Todd Jarret managed to draw from concealment and do the double-tap at arm's length in 0.98 seconds at an IDPA competition. He was the only one to accomplish it in under a second.

I kinda doubt that it's possible, personally.

THANK YOU BREAM !!! Those are numbers I can believe and are backed up by real world experiences.

Spk wrote: »

Tell him to put that on Youtube so the rest of us can be impressed. :yawn:

I would love to but ... I'll be nice to him ... it could wind up like this if I didn't and he could :tooth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN0nq40k4pk

NN

He probably can after a few warm up draws and someone saying "get ready, get set, draw.

JKP

Is this him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzJ0EvQLiYY

SirGeorgeKillian

I looked for the video and couldn't find it. I remember seeing a video of a little fella that could draw his 1911 from the mexican carry and put 2 shots in you quicker than you could finish saying the oh in oh crap. If memory serves me right, he was some kind of prisoner caught in the states doing espionage or something like that.

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cappy54

SirGeorgeKillian wrote: »

I looked for the video and couldn't find it. I remember seeing a video of a little fella that could draw his 1911 from the mexican carry and put 2 shots in you quicker than you could finish saying the oh in oh crap. If memory serves me right, he was some kind of prisoner caught in the states doing espionage or something like that.

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The guy your refering to is a philipine assasin that was caught, they only carry 1 round and a 45 to execute somebody he was demonstrating the training to the authorities.

centermass556

FWIW...The correct term in the military today is "controlled pairs". "Double Tap" is no longer considered Kosher lingo...

timc

Now this is how your buddy must draw!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVhCNgct9JQ

NN

centermass556 wrote: »

FWIW...The correct term in the military today is "controlled pairs". "Double Tap" is no longer considered Kosher lingo...

So go see the Rabbi.