Gimmick or Practical?

Ernie Bishop

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/02/06/paradigm-gator-shotgun-spreader/

Zee

Absolutely NOT for me!

Too great a chance of collateral damage. I'm responsible for everything that comes out of the barrel of my gun. Something that WIDENS that area of responsibility is NOT my friend. I spend too much time trying to NARROW that area of responsibility. This tool can piss up a rope as far as I'm concerned.

tennmike

Nope. Don't EVEN want one of those on a shotgun. The squeezing down of the round cylinder shot charge still inside the shot cup is going to put a LOT of stress on the shotgun and the threads on the inside of the barrel and on the attachment. I can see catastrophic failure with that device.

Eli

I don't think it's a gimmick, from watching the video I think it'll do exactly what the manufacturer says it will.

I do however, thing that it's a PHENOMENALLY horrible idea. Like Zee said, I want less spread (to the point of running slugs in my HD shotgun, instead of buckshot) not more.

KENFU1911

It spreads the shot up to 6 feet at around 12 yards ..................Um......no thanks...........bad idea

Ernie Bishop

Now for all you gangster shotgun defenders this should be the most awesome tool available.

USUFB

Finally, some true to the adage you don't have to aim a shotgun.

twa

It better have a silencer built in for the price too - holy crap. Looks like it could take out a covey of quail?:uhm:

NN

That actually would be good for a rabbit hunter that walks up his own rabbits in heavy brush and grass when shots need to be made fast and close.

NN

twa wrote: »

It better have a silencer built in for the price too - holy crap. Looks like it could take out a covey of quail?:uhm:

Yeah, close quarters quail too.

Buford

I have no desire for that device.

Bigslug

Ummmm. . .lemme get this straight, you want me to deploy a device that takes destruction AWAY from my shotgun's point of aim???

Most of the work that has been done with tactical shotgun in the last 10-20 years has been to TIGHTEN the pattern to increase effective range and reduce the possibility of collateral damage. The whole attraction to the shotgun as a CQB weapon is the massive amount of bad news it places on one torso. The Hollywood notion of the gigantic Cone O' Death is laughable. Nine to twelve pellets of 00 buck hitting as a group is a freight train; a single pellet separated from the group travelling on its own is a .32 Auto. Contrary to what M told 007, this is no great shakes.

jbp-ohio

Mossberg has been putting a shot spreader on one of their .410's for a long time.......



I guess they wanted to reduce the awesome power of the .410 so it didn't blow the BG's in half and mess up the inside of your house........

tubabucknut

I recently tested different shot in home defense scenarios. The LAST thing I want is bigger spread. I suppose the product may have a use, but not for me. It also take a multi-use platform and narrows it dramatically. The guy carrying that would constantly say nope can't take that shot, nope not that one either, oh wait...no can't do that, etc, etc, etc.

Big Chief

A guy had an old Savage (I think it was a 16 ga) pump and it had a awesome looking choke on the muzzle. Intimidating looking. I think from the 50s or 60s?

You can almost buy a good used 12 ga pump fer the price of that thing. Not for me.

NN

Big Chief wrote: »

A guy had an old Savage (I think it was a 16 ga) pump and it had a awesome looking choke on the muzzle. Intimidating looking. I think from the 50s or 60s?

You can almost buy a good used 12 ga pump fer the price of that thing. Not for me.

cutts compensator?

I had a polychoke from the 50's that spread a shot string 4 ft wide at 7-10 yds.

Big Chief

So, don't police use cylinder bore shotguns already not modified or full chokes?

My Mossberg Mariner is cylinder bore, I've heard them called police bore in years past.

Check out these pics/diagrams/graphics on chokes.They even have a Neg bore @ -.005 below/more open .735 than cylinder .000/.730 and a super full @ .675 tighter than a full @ .695




https://www.google.com/search?q=different+shotgun+chokes&client=firefox-a&hs=bxV&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=m4D3UofHD-nsyQHp5oCQBQ&ved=0CCwQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=606

Ernie Bishop

WOW!!!!
We all agree??????????????
I use slugs myself, so.....:jester:

Teach

Wouldn't an 8-lb hammer and an anvil accomplish the same result for a lot less cost- - - - - a shotgun muzzle that resembles the grill on a '58 Edsel?
Jerry

Jayhawker

Which famous Texas lawman used a "duckbill" on his shotgun? Had a propensity for shooting "mesicans"....my memory is failing....

Eli

Jayhawker wrote: »

Which famous Texas lawman used a "duckbill" on his shotgun? Had a propensity for shooting "mesicans"....my memory is failing....

Mine too. Charlie something-or-nother.

Eli

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Askins

Jayhawker

That's the guy!

Pelagic Kayaker

It's always "Navy SEAL's used this back in Nam" blah, blah, blah.

Why change something that's worked just fine for hundreds of years. Gun sales up at record numbers and the must have Wal-mart warrior gimmicks just keep coming.

Big Chief

He was a colorful character alright. I used to read his articles in gun rags. From the link above:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Askins

"Askins was controversial for the relish with which he described the numerous fatal shootings in his law enforcement and military careers, stating he had killed 27 men.[1][4] Because he was involved in numerous shootouts along the US/Mexico border, and due to his stated practice of not keeping track of African-Americans and Hispanics, the actual number of killings he committed was potentially much higher.[1] Askins once remarked that he thought he was a psychopathic killer, and that he hunted animals so avidly because he wasn't allowed to hunt men anymore.[1] Askins was a contemporary of Bill Jordan, Elmer Keith, Skeeter Skelton, and Jack O'Connor.[1] These people, except for Skelton, as well as Askins, Audie Murphy, and Ed McGivern, were used as inspiration for characters in the Stephen Hunter novel Pale Horse Coming.[7]"

bullsi1911

Pelagic Kayaker wrote: »

It's always "Navy SEAL's used this back in Nam" blah, blah, blah.

Thing is, for what the SEALs used the duckbill'ed Ithaca pumps for, it's a good idea... but fails in execution. Close quarters hooch clearing, or for deck clearing on small boat riverine operations- it SOUNDS like a great idea.

But, as Chief James "Patches" Watson said in his book "Point Man", even at a close range in the jungle, he dumped a whole mag tube from his Ithaca (IIRC, holding back the trigger and slamming the pump since the Ithaca did not have a disconnector) into an attacking VC at very close range, and it took all the rounds to put him down. He stated that the VC's AK and the mags in the chest rig were all dented up from the buckshot (and are now in the SEAL museum). Chief Wilson in the book was still a fan of the Duckbill shotgun after that, but I would seriously have doubts about the effectiveness of my weapon if that happened to me.

Been a while since I read that book, but I still remember that.

breamfisher

Sounds like Chief Watson should have, maybe, gone for a head shot if he had the presence of mind to do so. I understand the idea of the fog of war and heat of combat.

BTW, accounts of AK mags in the chest rig stopping ammo have been documented with 5.56 and possibly 7.62 ammo too during the current and former actions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

DoctorWho

Actually, the duck bill is a very old concept in the firearms world, it dated back to when handguns were mostly single shot, and the duck bill was a multi-barrel pistol to repel boarders on naval vessels etc.... since it fired in various directions at once....

Yulee Boy

Itd come in handy for squirrels or rabbits on the run

Fat Billy

Fat people (wide) gonna file suit for unfair shot direction. You'll see. :applause: Later,