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Kerry Calls Climate Change 'Weapon of Mass Destruction'

CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior MemberKaniksu Nat'l Forest, IDPosts: 5,486 Senior Member
I'm going out to run all of my single cylinder engines, before the drone strikes begin.

"Think about the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. It doesn't keep us safe if the United States secures its nuclear arsenal while other countries fail to prevent theirs from falling into the hands of terrorists," he said.

"The bottom line is this: it is the same thing with climate change. In a sense, climate change can now be considered another weapon of mass destruction, perhaps even the world's most fearsome weapon of mass destruction."



http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/deep-freeze/kerry-calls-climate-change-weapon-mass-destruction-n31686
When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

Adam J. McCleod


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  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,249 Senior Member
    This entire administration would be funny if they were a comedy skit on a variety show, unfortunately, they are serious, and people take them seriously.
    The fire service needs a "culture of extinguishment not safety" Ray McCormack FDNY
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Under a logPosts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Just hit me. There was a movie called, "Rebel Without a Cause". If a movie was made about Kerry it would be named, "#&%^*#% Idiot Without a Clue". I'd wager he flunked 1st grade Science class, and every Science class thereafter. And you can bet the brain cell deficient acolytes that follow with bated breath his every word will hail him as the savior of the planet Earth.

    If someone shoved a 10 Megaton nuke up his alimentary canal terminus, he'd still have no clue what a weapon of mass destruction represented.
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
    ― Douglas Adams
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Lake County, FloridaPosts: 7,927 Senior Member
    Al Bore is in it to make money.....maybe billions if carbon credits catch on.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • samzheresamzhere Banned HoustonPosts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Kerry's right.

    If we go from the Holoscene right back into the Pleistoscene within the next 25,000 years, we might have problems working with a full-on Ice Age and sustaining food needed to feed everyone.

    If you examine the temperature lows over the recent Ice Ages (4 major, several minor) and clock out the span, you can easily see that our current time frame is within what could likely be a warming period. The last Ice Age was ~50-75k years ago, when **** Sapiens began to take over the world.

    But if you look at the charts, you can see that we may also be poised to slide into another cold period. Remember, nobody actually knows what caused the Ice Ages and there is zero evidence that they're "over". This could just be a "tweenie" age.

    What Kerry fails to mention is that there is no proof whatsoever that global climate change is anthromorphic (human caused).

    For example, the Earth has cooled about 5C overall in the last few thousand years. Not a lot but it can add up. However, Mars has also cooled about the same. It's the Sun. Duh.

    btw, here's a chart showing the ice thickness / coldness for the ice ages. Note how there's no indication whatsoever that we're "out of the woods" at all, no "flat" period recently to indicate that the ice ages are now over. If you look, you'll see that in fact we're ready for another biggie:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    Lets see. A President with no credentials is elected and is then re-elected. He then appoints a Secretary of State with no credentials whose first major act is to sign a UN resolution which is in direct violation of the United States Constitution. If Obama and Kerry were engaged in a who is the biggest idiot competition it would end up in a tie! Climate change happens. It is not controlled by us insignificant humans. In fact it is not controlled at all. Ocean currents change for no apparent reason and cause warming or cooling. We are pretty much stuck with this like it or not. Climate change is a weapon of mass destruction? Whose weapon is it?
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Under a logPosts: 27,457 Senior Member
    During the ninth and thirteenth centuries we had the medieval warming period when the Vikings and other Norse people colonized Greenland:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period

    Followed by the Little Ice Age between 1550 and 1850:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

    I don't think the very small population back then caused either.
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
    ― Douglas Adams
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,583 Senior Member
    CaliFFL wrote: »
    I'm going out to run all of my single cylinder engines, before the drone strikes begin.






    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/deep-freeze/kerry-calls-climate-change-weapon-mass-destruction-n31686

    They can just say whatever they want now. There is no fact checking, no rebuttals, no dissent, no opposition. Not one damn "Republican" is going to challenge this or any other mad hatter idea that runs out of their mouths. Not one.

    Vote them all out.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    JasonMPD wrote: »
    They can just say whatever they want now. There is no fact checking, no rebuttals, no dissent, no opposition. Not one damn "Republican" is going to challenge this or any other mad hatter idea that runs out of their mouths. Not one.

    Vote them all out.

    I agree with you in principle that most Repubs won't challenge the dummycraps on anything, but not all are like that. Here in Texas it seems our main stream Republicans are still what we think they're supposed to be. Sen. John Cornyn, Senator Ted Cruz, and my personal U.S. Representative, Blake Farenthold, who took Ron Paul's place, will challenge any and all of these fools on any issue they believe is agenda driven by the left, which I believe the climate change issue is. Yeah, there"s climate changethe! There"s always been climate change from the time God created this magnificent universe and earth. But it's not like the Dummycraps tell us it is. It's a natural occurrence.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Kaniksu Nat'l Forest, IDPosts: 5,486 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    What Kerry fails to mention is that there is no proof whatsoever that global climate change is anthromorphic (human caused).

    Kerry described those who do not accept that human activity causes global warming as "shoddy scientists" and "extreme ideologues", and said big companies and special interests should not be allowed to "hijack" the climate debate.

    No worries, Sam. Kerry has got you covered.
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said global warming is as big a threat as terrorism in a speech in Indonesia, the world’s largest exporter of coal for power plants.
    ...he was saying this as a volcano was disrupting his trip.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    So....he went to a country who's largest export (assuming) is coal....and bad mouthed it.....



    How come other countries don't respect and or hate us?
    Yep. Indonesia also has a Muslim majority so he is comparing their biggest export to terrorism and WMD's. Nice diplomacy.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • shushshush Senior Member This Sceptical Isle.Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    Think of the (cold/hot?) children.
  • roadkingroadking Senior Member NEPA Near Lake WallenpaupackPosts: 3,056 Senior Member
    I'm going to use the burn barrel today and increase my carbon footprint...since I can't put my real foot print on his rear!

    Matt
    Support your local Scouts!
  • 41magnut41magnut Senior Member The Giant Side Of TexasPosts: 1,305 Senior Member
    :silly:

    Give me strength.

    And we are supposed to believe these people on matters that are truly of national concern, after they say (and I assume they are serious) such as this?

    Are you sure this wasn't a "Saturday Night Live" skit?
    "The .30-06 is never a mistake." Townsend Whelen :iwo:
  • wildgenewildgene Senior Member Cody, WYPosts: 1,036 Senior Member
    ...I wish someone would duct tape his Frankenface up & stuff him in a closet, every time he runs his mouth he's an embarrassment...
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member A true 'Southerner'. NZPosts: 8,403 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    If someone shoved a 10 Megaton nuke up his alimentary canal terminus, he'd still have no clue what a weapon of mass destruction represented.


    Nice comparison......................except the letter 'm' needs to be removed from 'mass'............
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Dellrose TNPosts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Hey, give the poor guy a break- - - - -he's so **** he doesn't realize he's been sleeping with Dustin Hoffman for years!

    Heinz-K.jpg

    Poor doofus!
    :drool:
    Jerry
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    All DummyCraps are Weapons of "Mass Deductions!" And so goes our economy!:silly::bang::deadhorse::fan::rotflmao:
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned HoustonPosts: 10,923 Senior Member
    CaliFFL wrote: »
    No worries, Sam. Kerry has got you covered.

    You figure?

    What's so annoying about the rabble rousers who preach crazily on "global climate change" is that they cover over legitimate environmental concerns. People who don't think that humans can screw up the environment should take a look at the heavy pollution-laden fog that permeates cities in China or India, other countries that ignore common sense. In the 19th century, much of Europe was the same way. Filth in the air and water, rivers through cities virtual sewers, terrible smog and dumped trash with no real regard for sanitation.

    The screamers today accuse us (by "us" I mean those who gladly accept sensible antipollution measures) of wanting to spew filth as was done a century earlier. But we don't. We recognize the good stewardship we owe to the earth and to our kids, to leave them with a world that's cleaner than we found it (the old Boy Scout camping rule). And in the US and other modern westernized worlds, the results are pretty good... we've got more arable land, more forests, and better conditions everywhere. Sure, it's a hassle to get your emissions on your car or truck checked each year, and to pay a bit more in tax for good cleanups of old pollution sites, that sort of thing.

    The problem is that the environmental whackos really aren't interested in a clean environment per se. To them, it's a political agenda, anti-US, anti-Western world, anti-free enterprise, and pro-socialism and pro-dictator governments. They turn a blind eye to China and India's pollution messes, any sort of crud that's pumped out by the socialists, and focus instead on teeny (by comparison) problems we've got in our more civilized and more free society.

    It's all politics, all anti-democracy, anti-capitalism.

    I've talked before about the false statistics from the Univ. of East Anglia's "hockey stick" chart that greatly overemphasizes the global warming. Of course, many of us older folks easily remember that it was once "global cooling" instead of warming.

    I remember the Time mag cover showing NYC encased in a glacier of ice. It was a bogus as the warming threats.

    I remember how smart scientists like Carl Sagan warned us during the Gulf War that the threats of Hussein to set fire to the oil rigs was tantamount to global disaster, that if these rigs were set afire, it would trigger a massive global warming (or cooling, I forget which, ha ha). In fact, it was a political agenda instead, anti-US, anti-Bush, that tried to provide "scientific" excuses why we shouldn't kick Iraqi butt.

    What happened? Saddam did indeed set the rigs afire, it was a big localized mess of course, with nearby waters polluted and the sky nearby pretty nasty. And then people like Red Adair and others went in, put out the fires, and the localized mess was cleaned up. And all this time, there was zero --- totally zero global effect.

    It irritates the hell out of me. I've got a degree in chemistry and a minor in math (not bragging, just the facts, and there are others here who've also got a similar tech or scientific background) and I've actually STUDIED the "global warming" math and it's bogus. Bogus. The data is (are?) flawed, poorly documented, poorly interpreted, and the "curves" are forced. I can sit down with anyone who's got some algebra or calculus knowledge and show how it's not valid. (It has to do with trying to interpret a hyperbolic curve where the data's insufficient to describe a hyperbolic curve, in summary.)

    Now, of course, they've got the term "global climate change" instead of warming or cooling. They knew the situation, where once the data "proved" cooling and now the same data proves warming. And with proper egg on face, they then resorted to the term "climate change" and that's of course an excuse for anything: cooler, hotter, more rain, less rain, more storms, fewer storms, whatever. Any change whatsoever can be pounced upon as "Bush's fault" regardless.

    I suppose I'm most irritated not at the politicians like Kerry -- we expect them to be baldface liars. But it's scientists that anger me most. They should be neutral, and evaluate everything with meticulous care.

    What this bogus rattling around does is discredit the proper areas of scientific endeavor and findings. Then, when scientists come to a REAL problem in the environment, maybe a certain type of pesticide that can cause havoc later, they can be ignored. Too many in the scientific community are shooting their ammo all up, and they'll only have blanks to fire when a real problem arises. Arrghhh.
  • Pelagic KayakerPelagic Kayaker Banned Soon to be in TexasPosts: 1,503 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    You figure?

    What's so annoying about the rabble rousers who preach crazily on "global climate change" is that they cover over legitimate environmental concerns. People who don't think that humans can screw up the environment should take a look at the heavy pollution-laden fog that permeates cities in China or India, other countries that ignore common sense. In the 19th century, much of Europe was the same way. Filth in the air and water, rivers through cities virtual sewers, terrible smog and dumped trash with no real regard for sanitation.

    The screamers today accuse us (by "us" I mean those who gladly accept sensible antipollution measures) of wanting to spew filth as was done a century earlier. But we don't. We recognize the good stewardship we owe to the earth and to our kids, to leave them with a world that's cleaner than we found it (the old Boy Scout camping rule). And in the US and other modern westernized worlds, the results are pretty good... we've got more arable land, more forests, and better conditions everywhere. Sure, it's a hassle to get your emissions on your car or truck checked each year, and to pay a bit more in tax for good cleanups of old pollution sites, that sort of thing.

    The problem is that the environmental whackos really aren't interested in a clean environment per se. To them, it's a political agenda, anti-US, anti-Western world, anti-free enterprise, and pro-socialism and pro-dictator governments. They turn a blind eye to China and India's pollution messes, any sort of crud that's pumped out by the socialists, and focus instead on teeny (by comparison) problems we've got in our more civilized and more free society.

    It's all politics, all anti-democracy, anti-capitalism.

    I've talked before about the false statistics from the Univ. of East Anglia's "hockey stick" chart that greatly overemphasizes the global warming. Of course, many of us older folks easily remember that it was once "global cooling" instead of warming.

    I remember the Time mag cover showing NYC encased in a glacier of ice. It was a bogus as the warming threats.

    I remember how smart scientists like Carl Sagan warned us during the Gulf War that the threats of Hussein to set fire to the oil rigs was tantamount to global disaster, that if these rigs were set afire, it would trigger a massive global warming (or cooling, I forget which, ha ha). In fact, it was a political agenda instead, anti-US, anti-Bush, that tried to provide "scientific" excuses why we shouldn't kick Iraqi butt.

    What happened? Saddam did indeed set the rigs afire, it was a big localized mess of course, with nearby waters polluted and the sky nearby pretty nasty. And then people like Red Adair and others went in, put out the fires, and the localized mess was cleaned up. And all this time, there was zero --- totally zero global effect.

    It irritates the hell out of me. I've got a degree in chemistry and a minor in math (not bragging, just the facts, and there are others here who've also got a similar tech or scientific background) and I've actually STUDIED the "global warming" math and it's bogus. Bogus. The data is (are?) flawed, poorly documented, poorly interpreted, and the "curves" are forced. I can sit down with anyone who's got some algebra or calculus knowledge and show how it's not valid. (It has to do with trying to interpret a hyperbolic curve where the data's insufficient to describe a hyperbolic curve, in summary.)

    Now, of course, they've got the term "global climate change" instead of warming or cooling. They knew the situation, where once the data "proved" cooling and now the same data proves warming. And with proper egg on face, they then resorted to the term "climate change" and that's of course an excuse for anything: cooler, hotter, more rain, less rain, more storms, fewer storms, whatever. Any change whatsoever can be pounced upon as "Bush's fault" regardless.

    I suppose I'm most irritated not at the politicians like Kerry -- we expect them to be baldface liars. But it's scientists that anger me most. They should be neutral, and evaluate everything with meticulous care.

    What this bogus rattling around does is discredit the proper areas of scientific endeavor and findings. Then, when scientists come to a REAL problem in the environment, maybe a certain type of pesticide that can cause havoc later, they can be ignored. Too many in the scientific community are shooting their ammo all up, and they'll only have blanks to fire when a real problem arises. Arrghhh.

    Excellent post Sam. Unfortunately many on the right are just as blind as those on the left and will never listen to facts. Too many toe their respective party lines and will be the perfect marionette; forever being manipulated by their masters rather than seek out the truth.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Lake County, FloridaPosts: 7,927 Senior Member
    We probably can all agree that progressives are a pack of pathological liars, therefore whatever comes put of their pieholes is one of three things: an outright lie, an exaggeration, or an opinion not based on facts.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    KAKISTOCRACY. Western civilization is fallen into the hands of the most incompetent amateurs our 'low information' political process could find.

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron."--H.L. Mencken. CONGRATULATIONS AMERICA - WE DID IT! WE'RE THERE!
  • 1hogfan831hogfan83 Member Posts: 347 Member
    Ok, a simple fix to this non existent problem that is global warming. The Porsche GT2 actually puts out cleaner air through its exhaust than it takes in through its air cooled engine. Everyone on earth gets a Porsche GT2. Number two, we write every volcano, wild animal (they fart a lot), and every other non human being that causes harmful gases to the OZONE a ticket that must be paid in full by a date or community service and a fine of no less than 3k. Lastly, someone must pop that little pimple Albert Gore and let out all the hot air he has stored and we could run this planet for millennia through a type of connected nuclear power plants throughout the earth.
    "Well he shoulda armed him self" William Munney-Unforgiven"
    "You believe there is one God, that is good, even the demons believe and shudder in fear" James 2:19
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    One of the great fears of the peacenik protesters during the Cold War and arms race with the USSR was the imagined danger of "nuclear winter." A nuclear war would kick up enough dust and debris to block out the sun's loving and warming rays, and we'd all freeze. I think we should test the theory. A rolling atomic bombardment of the Islamic world from Morocco to Indonesia, inclusive, ought to do it. If the hippies and yippies are right, we'll have a nuclear winter - and aside from subtracting the Islamic world from our list of annoyances, we'll also have solution for global warming. What's not to love?
  • HAWKENHAWKEN Senior Member Logansport Indiana, by way of Hohenwald Tennessee by way of Cocoa FloridaPosts: 1,720 Senior Member
    I have always felt that John Kerry has a meloncholy personality, a head like a mellon and a face like a collie. He lost all credability, with me, over his lies about his Viet Nam service......Robin
    I don't often talk to people that voted for Obama, but when I do I order large fries!
    Life member of the American Legion, the VFW, the NRA and the Masonic Lodge, retired LEO
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    41magnut wrote: »
    :silly:

    Give me strength.

    And we are supposed to believe these people on matters that are truly of national concern, after they say (and I assume they are serious) such as this?

    Are you sure this wasn't a "Saturday Night Live" skit?
    It is far too funny to be a Saturday Night Live skit!
  • samzheresamzhere Banned HoustonPosts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Excellent post Sam. Unfortunately many on the right are just as blind as those on the left and will never listen to facts. Too many toe their respective party lines and will be the perfect marionette; forever being manipulated by their masters rather than seek out the truth.

    Thanks, sorry for the fairly lengthy rant but I get incensed at those who claim to be scientifically trained and then ignore facts.

    But you're right, ideologues on the right and left muddy the water and make it difficult to have any sort of meaningful progress. Bit by bit, maybe...
  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,249 Senior Member
    No, your lengthy rant was well timed. Had one of the kool-aid drinkers write in to the local paper today. Your rant was a spot on counter point to their drivel. Would like to see someone debate the "climate changers" that isn't trying to push an agenda. My stock answer when someone says the climate is changing is to answer, "Yep, has been for millions of years, isn't going to stop changing anytime soon!"
    The fire service needs a "culture of extinguishment not safety" Ray McCormack FDNY
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    1hogfan83 wrote: »
    Ok, a simple fix to this non existent problem that is global warming. The Porsche GT2 actually puts out cleaner air through its exhaust than it takes in through its air cooled engine. Everyone on earth gets a Porsche GT2. Number two, we write every volcano, wild animal (they fart a lot), and every other non human being that causes harmful gases to the OZONE a ticket that must be paid in full by a date or community service and a fine of no less than 3k. Lastly, someone must pop that little pimple Albert Gore and let out all the hot air he has stored and we could run this planet for millennia through a type of connected nuclear power plants throughout the earth.
    My Porsche GT2 is conspicuously missing from my driveway. I've been robbed and I'm suing!!!
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