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AR-15. What is the real attraction?

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  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,721 Senior Member
    Army Rifles, got to love them.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • PFDPFD Senior Member Posts: 1,726 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    Army Rifles, got to love them.

    It's Assault Rifle!!!!

    Turn in your camo's.




































    armalite.
    That's all I got.

    Paul
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    What other firearm has the ability to whiz off the gun grabbers and the Fudds- - - - -SIMPLY BY BEING IN EXISTENCE? Sounds like that's reason enough to own one! Another good idea would be to take a few 30-round magazines to a firing range in Georgia and practice my bump-firing technique just to watch the range Nazi's head explode!
    :rotflmao:
    Jerry
  • N320AWN320AW Senior Member Posts: 648 Senior Member
    So I took a beginners handgun class with my wife and son, went to the range many, many times to shot all their rentals to determine what type of guns we wanted to buy. We then bought our guns and went to the range an practiced until we were good. And all that rental firing was practice as well.

    Are you saying we did it wrong??

    If the firing range is no place to practice with a firearm…where then IS the appropriate place? Dry fire practice can not replace live fire experience.

    As far as the attraction of an AR, I don't own one but I DO want one. Boys like toys, grown up boys like grown up toys. The AR to me is a grown up toy I want to own. I love to tinker with and customize my stuff and that platform looks to give me tons of tinkering and customizing options.


    Did wrong? Of course not. That's the way to do it.
  • N320AWN320AW Senior Member Posts: 648 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    What other firearm has the ability to whiz off the gun grabbers and the Fudds- - - - -SIMPLY BY BEING IN EXISTENCE? Sounds like that's reason enough to own one! Another good idea would be to take a few 30-round magazines to a firing range in Georgia and practice my bump-firing technique just to watch the range Nazi's head explode!
    :rotflmao:
    Jerry

    Teach the only action you would find at our range, by bump firing, is you being cordially escorted off the range.
  • N320AWN320AW Senior Member Posts: 648 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    So, what's a "real hunting rifle?"

    A Weatherby Mark V in 7mm WM with a 26 inch barrel and a gorgeous wood stock, Leupold 3x9 vari-XII. Happy now?
  • N320AWN320AW Senior Member Posts: 648 Senior Member
    Then I don't know what you meant by…"They should do this with a unloaded gun long before they reach a public shooting range. This is no place for practicing with a firearm."


    Ya know the range I go to has a zero tolerance for unsafe behavior. In the year I have been going there I have only seen one instance where someone was handling a weapon in an unsafe manner. Two range officers were on that guy like white on rice and he was asked to leave.

    Maybe those things happen where you work because they are allowed to happen.

    Those things happen all the time with shooters that are not familiar with shooting at a public range. You only see it happen after it happens. Not before.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,877 Senior Member
    jbohio wrote: »
    Disparaging the AR is bad juju. Period. Ask Dick Metcalf.
    Point of order, it was Jim Zumbo.

    Metcalf actually wrote positively about the AR, errrr... Modern Sporting Rifle. He did the opinion piece on regulation.
    I'm just here for snark.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    I was a range officer and an instructor and worked at an indoor range, and sometimes I even paid for those that wanted safety training, but could not afford it, ammo, range time and My fee waived.....

    A guy on leave, Navy, wanted to hunt, I gave him a Marlin goose gun 12 gauge, ammo etc, My treat......
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    AR= ArmaLite Rifle. Jeez, this has been common knowledge for, like, nearly as long as I've been alive.

    As to the rifle, some people like the pedestrian offerings, and some like something different. Like some people like the Yugo, and others like Ferrari and Lamborghini. I'm kinda partial to the Corvette of '67 vintage, myself.

    AR's are versatile; with the right uppers available, one can hunt, protect the homestead, or make a can jump at the range. Other uppers can be bought with heavy barrels for precision shooting. Just by swapping the upper receiver group. A bolt action rifle lacks that versatility.
    And for HD a lever or pump action rifle is FAR superior to the bolt action for rate of fire and rounds on target, but both fall short when compared to the AR in that respect.
    For those that don't like them, good for you. Leaves more for ME and other like minded souls that see their advantages.

    As to proving I bump fired one; well good luck with that exercise. Maybe I just have a well educated 'booger hook'. :roll2:

    As to likes and dislikes in general. If we both like something then we have common ground to talk about. I care nothing for others dislikes, especially ill informed ones. And I don't care for hearing about them, especially when their dislikes tread on the things I like. I like fine wood and blued steel, but be damned if I'll disparage the man who likes synthetic and stainless steel (I actually like synthetic and stainless steel, too).

    So if you don't like the AR and are not interested in a true discussion to learn, then more power to you. It's all mind over matter, as in, since I don't mind, then it don't matter. Trolling is easy; learning is hard.
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  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,615 Senior Member
    Point of order, it was Jim Zumbo.

    Metcalf actually wrote positively about the AR, errrr... Modern Sporting Rifle. He did the opinion piece on regulation.

    Ugh.
  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    So I shot a three gun gunfighter competition today. The first comp. in over a year. It is run by a former unit guy near Bragg. About fifty guys there. 48 in camo and probably 45 shooting ARs, the rest AKs. All kinds of fun. Blind shoot house, shooting from ladders, and on top of Conex shipping containers, transition drills, shooting from cover, dismounting vehicles, shooting around the vehicle using proper cover, speed reloads of the shotgun from the side saddle, and rapid shooting of the evil black rifles. All an all it was a great day. Shot the AR very fast today. I even had some 21 splits. In five stages I only had three mikes(hits on the target, just not in the kill zone) on one stage. But you can't shoot that fast and hit anything right? That is just blasting away and wasting ammo. For some reason those "survivalist types" seemed to be good people out to have fun and learn. Instead of judging them N320AW, you might want to get to know them and learn something.
  • KENFU1911KENFU1911 Senior Member Posts: 1,052 Senior Member
    Linefinder wrote: »
    Looks to me like you killed that deer with a knife. Was the AR in the pic simply for "color"?

    Mike
    ......Nope....he kept shooting....thing ran...tripped....and fell on the dead wood....stabbing himself in the neck......tragic day for Bambi ...............Ken
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,118 Senior Member
    N320AW wrote: »
    A Weatherby Mark V in 7mm WM with a 26 inch barrel and a gorgeous wood stock, Leupold 3x9 vari-XII. Happy now?

    7mm Winchester MAGNUM! Why would anyone need a belted magnum? I just don't understand why anyone would need anything other than a .30-06 which will kill most anything in North America...It's just a case of magnum-itis I tell ya, compensating for smaller than average man parts.
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • USUFBUSUFB Senior Member Posts: 830 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    7mm Winchester MAGNUM! Why would anyone need a belted magnum? I just don't understand why anyone would need anything other than a .30-06 which will kill most anything in North America...It's just a case of magnum-itis I tell ya, compensating for smaller than average man parts.

    30-06 huh? Karamojo Bell used to elephants with a 7mm Mauser. Anything more than that is overpowered. Or compensating. :roll:
    Sometimes, I lie awake in bed at night wondering "Why the heck can't I fall asleep?"
    NRA Life Member
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    I guess my Rugers aren't real hunting rifles then.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,721 Senior Member
    Now this thread is going all Stoner like the guy who designed the Army Rifle
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    Now this thread is going all Stoner like the guy who designed the Army Rifle

    Now why did you have to bring Jeff Spicoli up? That's just all kinds of wrong.
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
    ― Douglas Adams
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    Now this thread is going all Stoner like the guy who designed the Army Rifle

    Says you.

    On one side you have the Thurston Howell lll swilling tea and their box set of $25,000 + shotguns, and camo clad rednecks shooting ARs and AKs, and neither realize the gun grabbers will harm all shooters alike......

    I want good defensive equipment, not past history, moldy relics and antique religious superstitions.......
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • NomadacNomadac Senior Member Posts: 902 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    I tend to agree with certain aspects of your reply Nomadac. NAW, however, has cast the dye long before this thread to many on here and if he made a post simply saying he is praying for us all it would be met with vitriol.

    Right, wrong, good or bad that's just the way it is....................................

    Let me give another comparison. If someone on a Performance Car forum posted "500-700 HP Street Rod-What is the Real Attraction? I would bet the discussion would not be as disparaging. from those that might have a 500-700+ HP driven on the street. I guess performance cars owners are not as critical of disparaging in their remarks, based on my experience on being on several Car forums currently and in the past. They describe why they choose to own one period, or just don't respond. If you have to ask you don't understand. Those Classic car, or stock, or Hot Rod or Resto rod owners do not get the sarcastic replies.

    I guess the Performance Car crowd are more tolerant and accept all do not like or prefer the same type of cars, but are still part of the total car crowd. Just my observation. When I had a 55 Chevy Pro Street and went to Car Shows the stock classic car guys that looked at my car with the high HP and wondered how it was driven on the street but never got a sarcastic reply from me comparing my choice to their stock classic. We were all Car Guys and in the broad group just with different interests.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Your comparison is not valid, the shooting sports are under attack from many quarters, and many of us have a thin skin having been attacked personally even before the Internet by the Elmer Fudds and the Thurston Howells, and in the various niches and closed ranks of the shooting sports, many feel their niche is sacred and others are trash, the SxS and OU crowd put down the assault rifle folks etc..... Our shooting ranks have always been divided, better for the gun grabbers to divide and conquer that way.....
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • pjames777pjames777 Senior Member Posts: 1,421 Senior Member
    Look at the age group. Most, not all, are a younger generation and this is the gun of their era. IMHO Many of these lads are veterans and its what they know. Plus it is a versatile platform and just plain fun to shoot, just like the 10/22.
  • NomadacNomadac Senior Member Posts: 902 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    Your comparison is not valid, the shooting sports are under attack from many quarters, and many of us have a thin skin having been attacked personally even before the Internet by the Elmer Fudds and the Thurston Howells, and in the various niches and closed ranks of the shooting sports, many feel their niche is sacred and others are trash, the SxS and OU crowd put down the assault rifle folks etc..... Our shooting ranks have always been divided, better for the gun grabbers to divide and conquer that way.....

    If my comparison is not valid, then maybe you are not familiar with the car crowd. The different groups are just as defensive about what they like or drive, but don't get into sarcastic comments on the forums, if they are interested in responding they skip that post. Maybe you should visit some other forums and see how they respond.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Hence, look at the Mini 14, pretty cute, but very limited in what you can do to it for many reasons, the AR-15 is radically different from anything that came before it, tons of cheap parts, and any configuration from a A1 to an M4 et.... it is easy to swap barrels and calibers with cheap easy to get tools, a barrel swap on a Mini 14 is quite a job, assuming you can even get the parts, and it will be expensive too....

    The AR is a kitchen table gunsmiths dream gun......
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Nomadac wrote: »
    If my comparison is not valid, then maybe you are not familiar with the car crowd. The different groups are just as defensive about what they like or drive, but don't get into sarcastic comments on the forums, if they are interested in responding they skip that post. Maybe you should visit some other forums and see how they respond.

    Actually I am a member on the Mopar forum with My 1967 Plymouth Fury, and I meant that the gun people react like kicked dogs because of the attacks by the gun grabbers.

    I ran with the machine shop / Long Island NY stock car group many years ago, before the Internet daze.....

    Google 1967 Plymouth Fury lll commando and you will see My car 2 door fugly green, stupid original hub caps.....

    Yeah, My car is still there, ninth row from the top, parked in front of the shop I worked at.

    1967PlymouthFuryIII1a.jpg

    This is the photo that pops up when you google 1967 Plymouth Fury lll commando

    When I was but a wee nipper, I used to hang around the local machine shop with the guys racing stock cars out on the island, cigar chomping old codgers, ha ha, I guess I don't know the car crowd.....
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,721 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    , the SxS and OU crowd put down the assault rifle folks etc..... Our shooting ranks have always been divided, better for the gun grabbers to divide and conquer that way.....

    I don't think it's divided as much as it was. Folks are closing ranks because nothing is safe now. I am those people.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    I hope so, I need to join those people.......

    One time I went to a public shooting range with an UZI on a sling, it had a dummy barrel no bolt, and a dummy magazine, and they called on Me, a NYS Trooper showed up, he was very friendly to Me, I gave him the UZI and he really liked it, admired it, and complimented Me on it and handed it back, he said to Me, try not to antagonize the Rubes...... The watching Rubes were pissed off at how nice he was to Me.

    I asked the Trooper if he needed Me to do anything special, he said I was good to go, unloaded and safe etc..... handed Me a card and said if anyone else gave Me any grief to call him.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,813 Senior Member
    N320AW,

    I'm way too late to participate in the 'beat-down,' and for that I apologize - it would have been great fun. I feel obliged to thank you for your efforts to revive the 'old forum' spirit, whether it was intentional or just another bumbling effort to get attention. Either way, it was very enjoyable - I haven't seen Buford type so much in a very long time - no doubt his fingers are bruised and battered from the effort. :beer:

    As for the actual topic, it is pleasantly nostalgic for me - partly because it reminds me of the good old days when DJ presided over all the troll roasting and had to be begged not to ban the perpetrator before everyone got a chance to get their licks in, but also because it makes me remember the good old days when I was a kid, and my dad was reading all the controversial articles that were being written about the AR-15 - when the military was just thinking about adopting it as their new battle rifle. He was an 'armchair' student of ballistics and cut his teeth on the Garand back when it was considered the greatest thing since sliced bread.

    I grew up knowing more about the AR-15 than the average Elmer Fudd types of the day, and though fascinated by it, never even considered being able to own one. Like the guy you portray in your posts, I assumed that they weren't practical for civilian use, and I never really thought of owning one until I actually I actually got to tinker with and shoot one at the range. Of course, when I discovered how easy it was to shoot better groups than my 'real' hunting rifles, I wanted one, and fortunately had the means to actually buy one. After developing hunting loads that shot under 0.5 MOA, I immediately started saving for an AR-10, and when I stumbled onto one in 7mm-08, immediately put it on layaway and brought it home a few days later.

    So, my answer to why anyone would want one is simple: Any genuine gun nut wants any interesting rifle that is fun to shoot, whether because of rapid-fire capability or accuracy. The latter is what appeals to me most, but also the fact that I can shoot it at a faster rate than a bolt gun, whether shooting at targets or game. True, it is the rifle of choice for a lot of mall ninjas, and it does annoy me a little bit that they rattle off 30 rounds without hitting much of anything. But, I solved that by just going to the range at daylight, while all of those 'types' are still sleeping off their sugar highs. Besides, that's when all of the other old farts with AR-15s are there, and I usually learn a few things while happily punching my own little holes in targets out to 300 yards or so.
  • gatorgator Senior Member Posts: 1,746 Senior Member
    Nomadac wrote: »

    I guess the Performance Car crowd are more tolerant and accept all do not like or prefer the same type of cars, but are still part of the total car crowd.

    But if you called those guys a bunch of Richard Petty wannabees...I bet they would get somewhat defensive.
    USMC 80-84
    -96 lbs
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,327 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    So, what's a "real hunting rifle?"
    N320AW wrote: »
    A Weatherby Mark V in 7mm WM with a 26 inch barrel and a gorgeous wood stock. . .

    A Weatherby Mk V huh? Now that we know what kind of "game" you hunt, I have to ask: How does your Mazda Miata do off-road?:jester:
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
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