More disrespect in NYC

Slanteyedshootist

http://www.guns.com/retired-police-officerfirst-responder-turned-away-from-911-memorial-for-carrying.html

shotgunshooter3

The last "Proud Native New Yawker" I met was, well, not very friendly at all. Also very close minded fellow.

I'm not saying they're all like that (I believe Doc Who used to be a New Yawker), but some of them do a very good job at perpetuating their own stereotype.

Jeeper

alphasigmookie wrote: »

This sucks, but this guy had the option to leave his gun at home, in his car, in his hotel room etc. I'm sure the policy was clearly posted and probably could have been easily looked up online. I'm obviously for allowing carrying as many places as reasonably possible, but I also recognize the rights of property owners to determine who they allow to carry guns on their own property.

On a side note, a bit of a pet peeve of mine is the idea that somehow retired police officers somehow deserve greater rights than any other citizen. What this dispute essentially boils down to is the fact that the retired police officer is upset that he was not afforded special treatment not applicable to all citizens with CCW. When you turned in your badge you gave up any special rights you may have had as an officer of the law. The real solution is to fight to get the restrictions relaxed for everyone, not to add more exemptions for specific groups of people who think they deserve special treatment.

YES!!!!!!!!!! EXACTLY RIGHT!!!

Luis

blueslide88

I quote from the article by the retired Detective: "I still can not believe the disrespect I felt, and feel now," Reardon wrote in an e-mail to DNAinfo after the Sept. 18 incident. "We are retired members of the NYPD. We all have permits to carry our weapons. We are not criminals. We are not terrorists."
He has a permit to carry concealed. He and others with CCWs should have been allowed access. The denial to be allowed to carry is an expression of the deep seated anti-gun bias which permeates NY City.

Make_My_Day

If it were not for the anti-gun hysteria on the part of Mayor Doucheberg, this would be a non-issue. As a retired cop, I know for a fact that retired police are afforded certain privileges. I don't understand why they were not permitted on the scene with their carry weapons.

DoctorWho

" When you turned in your badge you gave up any special rights you may have had as an officer of the law. The real solution is to fight to get the restrictions relaxed for everyone, not to add more exemptions for specific groups of people who think they deserve special treatment."

Perfect example of speaking about something without anything knowing about it.

N.Y.C.P.D. does not and has never turned in their badge and the ID, gets laser perfed with tiny lil pinholes that spell retired and you have to look really close or have incredible vision to see the word retired.

When I was a LEO I think I showed My ID a total of 5 times, even HQ never asked to see My creds.

Edited to add, at least in NYC and State LE, a retired LEO is always welcome at their respective HQs, and LEOs with their retired creds can carry in any State.

And yeah, retired LEOs get heaps and heaps of perks and special privileges anyway...
At least in their home State.

And the Irony of having been in harms way, survived 9/11/01 WTC
is not enough ? tsk tsk
Even former LEOs not under a cloud of dishonor get a fair amount of privileges

gunrunner428

alphasigmookie wrote: »

On a side note, a bit of a pet peeve of mine is the idea that somehow retired police officers somehow deserve greater rights than any other citizen. What this dispute essentially boils down to is the fact that the retired police officer is upset that he was not afforded special treatment not applicable to all citizens with CCW. When you turned in your badge you gave up any special rights you may have had as an officer of the law.

I would offer a different opinion. Serving as an LEO puts you in direct contact with all sorts of unsavory characters, a lot of whom know how to carry a grudge. Arrest enough, testify in court against enough, and you will make enemies of not only the low-lifes, but also their friends, families, kids, etc. While I would propose that anyone following the applicable laws should not be turned away from the memorial (or other events of this kind), I personally feel that even retired LEOs (in good standing - those discharged for misconduct or abuse of the system would IMO be exceptions) should be allowed to continue to carry with special consideration. Incarcerated Joe Thug Gangsta's crew would be all for watching for the chance to exact revenge on the officer responsible for putting him away, and would relish the opportunity to do so at a location that their target was most likely to be unarmed.

As armed citizens, we do have a different responsibility when it comes to protecting ourselves and our own; a LEO is asked to do so and more, entering harm's way and presenting him or herself as a potential target for those whom society has tasked them with arresting.

DoctorWho

Don't confuse people with facts.

JasonMPD

alphasigmookie wrote: »

On a side note, a bit of a pet peeve of mine is the idea that somehow retired police officers somehow deserve greater rights than any other citizen. What this dispute essentially boils down to is the fact that the retired police officer is upset that he was not afforded special treatment not applicable to all citizens with CCW. When you turned in your badge you gave up any special rights you may have had as an officer of the law. The real solution is to fight to get the restrictions relaxed for everyone, not to add more exemptions for specific groups of people who think they deserve special treatment.

Yes and no...

If you spent 25 years of your life arresting people who know you on sight and by name, you might wish you could carry here and there in a few more places than normal.

Jeeper

Wow... Doc, Gun, and Jason, you guys totally miss the point. It's not that he's saying that ex-police shouldn't be allowed to carry, he's just saying that ANY LAW ABIDING CITIZEN should be allowed to do so... and is TOTALLY right about this. We don't need more exemptions, we need the laws more relaxed for EVERYBODY.

Luis

breamfisher

Luis,
Agreed. This kinda stuff only reinforces the "us vs. them" mentality and makes LE and non-LE interactions more difficult.

I don't want LE to have less abilities to carry. I want to have the same.

tv_racin_fan

breamfisher wrote: »

Luis,
Agreed. This kinda stuff only reinforces the "us vs. them" mentality and makes LE and non-LE interactions more difficult.

I don't want LE to have less abilities to carry. I want to have the same.

If my permit aint good enough why should theirs be? Are we not american citizens?

breamfisher

Exactly. I won't begrudge a LEO or retired LEO from wanting to carry. But why should they be allowed to carry where I can't?

Make_My_Day

alphasigmookie wrote: »

The real solution is to fight to get the restrictions relaxed for everyone, not to add more exemptions for specific groups of people who think they deserve special treatment.

Somehow a lot of you people think active duty police and retired police think they're a bunch of prima donna's. The only reason this particular detective was pissed off that he couldn't bring his carry weapon to a 9/11 service is because the prohibition of it was a departure from the normal policy of the NYC police department. The only gripe I have with that guy, is he complained about it publicly. He should have kept his mouth shut about the issue.

breamfisher

Yeah... I think you're still missing the point of alpha's post....

tennmike

Agree with Alphasig on this. And will add that when that detective and all the other retired and active officers press for the right for ALL law abiding citizens to have the same right, then I will support him. Until then, he can go pound sand.

Slanteyedshootist

breamfisher wrote: »

Luis,
Agreed. This kinda stuff only reinforces the "us vs. them" mentality and makes LE and non-LE interactions more difficult.

I don't want LE to have less abilities to carry. I want to have the same.

+100:applause:

Teach

Make_My_Day wrote: »

Somehow a lot of you people think active duty police and retired police think they're a bunch of prima donna's

It sounds like he's just a typically obnoxious New York City resident, with his whiny attitude raised to a little higher level because he thinks his ex-cop status gives him special priveleges. At least he apparently stayed up north instead of bringing his attitude south!
Jerry

tv_racin_fan

"I still can not believe the disrespect I felt, and feel now," Reardon wrote in an e-mail to DNAinfo after the Sept. 18 incident. "We are retired members of the NYPD. We all have permits to carry our weapons. We are not criminals. We are not terrorists."

The 9/11 Memorial gun ban applies to everyone except those who are active, on-duty law enforcement (even off-duty officers cannot carry on the premises).

UUMM seems to me that he was complaining that retired leo were not allowed to carry in a place where normal permit holders aren't. Sure seems like he was wanting special treatment to me. I do not see him complaining that a normal citizen permit holder like myself isn't allowed to carry there.

Make_My_Day

Teach wrote: »

At least he apparently stayed up north instead of bringing his attitude south!

He doesn't because he knows he would have to put up with a flock of Yankee haters who are still fighting the civil war.

DoctorWho

This is not about North or South, it is an academic matter.

For the record all My role models have been folks like Andrew Jackson, etc.

Buford

Get over it. I love this I'm special mentality.

Day added, "If, God forbid, something happened, I would like to have the ability to intercede, I want to have a level chance of protecting my family."

So does most everybody else. No sympathy here.

Buford

tennmike wrote: »

Agree with Alphasig on this. And will add that when that detective and all the other retired and active officers press for the right for ALL law abiding citizens to have the same right, then I will support him. Until then, he can go pound sand.

Very well said.