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Another pawn shop rescue!

TeachTeach Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
My travels take ma back and forth to Memphis and points beyond pretty often, and today was no exception. On the way back from a job in Jonesboro Arkansas I finally stopped at a pawn and gun shop I've noticed just east of Memphis to do some browsing. There, gathering dust, was a sporterized 1917 Eddystone. Somebody had already rubbed some of the ugly off of it- - - -milled the elephant ears off the rear sight area, straightened out the trigger guard, fitted it to a Reinhardt Fajen stock, and installed a single-stage trigger and a cock-on-opening firing pin. Yep- - - -they butchered a classic!

This one has had a pretty popular rechambering done- - - -it's now a 300 Win. Mag. I haven't put a tape measure on the barrel yet, but it looks like it hasn't been bobbed off- - - -it's at least a 24" and possibly as much as 26. No scope, but it does have a set of Weaver-type mounts front and rear.

Yep, I pretty much stole this one, too, but it took some hard bargaining! Pics soon- - - - -gotta drive another 300+ miles tomorrow, and I'm headed for bed in just a few minutes!
Jerry

Well it looks like I might have gotten a better deal than I bargained for- - - -or not- - - - -depending on whether or not a somewhat exotic chambering happens to be a good thing. When "300 Mag" is stamped on the chamber, and the counter guy says it's a "300 Winchester Magnum", it ain't necessarily so! Yes, the bolt face and the extractor have been hogged out to take a belted magnum case head, and there's a belt cut at the back of the chamber, but a .300 Win. Mag cartridge stops about an inch short of fully chambering. Anybody got a guess what a 1917 Enfield can be rechambered to that would create the above scenario? .300 H&H, maybe? I've got to make a chamber casting to be sure, but I think I just might have stumbled upon a classic African plains game rifle from somewhere in the early 1950's or before! Even a blind hog finds an acorn sometimes!
Jerry
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  • tennmiketennmike Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Nice snag on that one! Hope it's a shooter! :up:
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    :that: Me three !
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  • timctimc Posts: 6,684 Senior Member
    If it was cheap and its fun.....
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Hey, if it checks out to within .300 Win mag specs all that's left is to fire it and take it from there. Or do you already have plans to change the caliber?
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • TeachTeach Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    I don't have many cripple and kill guns, (kills out front, cripples the shooter) so I might leave it for my masochistic guests to shoot. I do have plans to convert my Remington 700 7 Mag. to STW one of these days!
    Jerry
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Posts: 12,419 Senior Member
    I'm waiting for the pics!
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  • Diver43Diver43 Posts: 12,747 Senior Member
    Sounds like one of those sweet finds. I have never shot a .300 mag before.
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  • Big Al1Big Al1 Posts: 8,811 Senior Member
    You have a propensity for accumulating ugly sporter classics. A certain '03 comes to mind!!:rotflmao: As heavy as those old Enfields are, you'll never notice the recoil!! Good find!!
  • Diver43Diver43 Posts: 12,747 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    I can fix thy for you. How about a sub 8lb one?:devil:

    Bring it on, I'm game. Never know until you try something once.
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  • jaywaptijaywapti Posts: 5,114 Senior Member
    Jerry, nice score.

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • WeatherbyWeatherby Posts: 4,953 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    Bring it on, I'm game. Never know until you try something once.

    Make him bring the 610 too

    Jerry Nice acquisition

    I've never set foot in a pawn shop but am starting to get tempted
  • Big Al1Big Al1 Posts: 8,811 Senior Member
    Weatherby wrote: »
    Make him bring the 610 too

    Jerry Nice acquisition

    I've never set foot in a pawn shop but am starting to get tempted

    My local pawn shop has a good inventory and lowest prices in town prices for new guns. I've found some nice stuff in pawn shops, sometimes they know what they have, but a lot of them are idiots.
  • snake284snake284 Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    I have a friend who owns an insurance business here in town. He mainly just oversees the business these days and he leaves the day to day drudgery to his sister and the hired help. So this frees him up to do OTHER things, such as brows pawn shops all over Texas. He's continually finding great guns and bargains. He has asked me if I want to tag along but I have refrained because I know full well I'll end up spending a lot of money.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Would it be worth restoring to somewhat original Military configuration ?
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  • WeatherbyWeatherby Posts: 4,953 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    He has asked me if I want to tag along but I have refrained because I know full well I'll end up spending a lot of money.

    or making a lot
  • TeachTeach Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    Would it be worth restoring to somewhat original Military configuration ?

    Nope- - - -too many permanent modifications by milling machine and welder. The modified chamber is the simple one- - - -just rebarrel, if the barrel can be removed without trashing the receiver. P-14/US 1917 barrels must have been installed by King Kong with a 6-ft. cheater bar. They're almost impossible to remove. I usually do a plunge cut with a lathe cutoff tool about 1/32" ahead of the receiver to relieve most of the torque on the threads, and they're still nearly impossible to turn. Then those SQUARE threads are a P I T A to cut on a new barrel blank.
    Jerry
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Square threads ? :yikes: woah..........
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  • Gene LGene L Posts: 12,815 Senior Member
    I believe the square cut threads are called Acme threads. Very strong.
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  • Big Al1Big Al1 Posts: 8,811 Senior Member
    I remember cutting square threads for a rifle I built but can't think of what it was. Pretty sure it was a #1 Remington rolling block I built for my BIL, .45/70.
  • TeachTeach Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    BTT- - - -check the update! BTW, yes, square threads are different than Acme. Acme threads have a little bit of an angle on the sides and a flat top. 03 Springfield, Krag, and P-14 and US 1917 rifles use totally square, 90 degree sided threads, just different diameters and pitch numbers!
    Jerry

    Ouch! 3 bucks a pop for empty brass!
    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/112095/nosler-custom-reloading-brass-300-h-and-h-magnum-box-of-25?cm_vc=ProductFinding

    Jerry
  • orchidmanorchidman Posts: 8,435 Senior Member
    275 H&H Magnum????
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • jaywaptijaywapti Posts: 5,114 Senior Member
    Jerry, so its a .300 H & H, I might still have some .300 H&H brass, might even have some dies, will look tomorrow or Wed. let me know if ya need them.

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • TeachTeach Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    jaywapti wrote: »
    Jerry, so its a .300 H & H, I might still have some .300 H&H brass, might even have some dies, will look tomorrow or Wed. let me know if ya need them.

    JAY

    As soon as I get a chamber cast done, that would definitely be an option! Now I've got to try to remember where I stashed my CerroSafe! I suppose Paraffin would be sufficient to get a ballpark guess on the chamber shape- - - -not much else that looks like an H&H case!
    Jerry
  • jaywaptijaywapti Posts: 5,114 Senior Member
    Jerry, I use Cerrobend , same stuff same melting point, I got plenty, ya need some????

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • TeachTeach Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    I've got a 1-lb. ingot of the stuff stashed away somewhere- - - -just got to remember which hidey-hole it's in. If you've got a little to spare it might save me some searching. No hurry- - - -this one's on the "to do" list behind a bunch of unfinished projects!
    Thanks!
    Jerry
  • snake284snake284 Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Weatherby wrote: »
    or making a lot

    Well for a normal well balanced human being that would be true, but me I want to Horde everything and will pass up selling something where I could make a small fortune because I'm infatuated with it,:silly: :tooth:
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Nope- - - -too many permanent modifications by milling machine and welder. The modified chamber is the simple one- - - -just rebarrel, if the barrel can be removed without trashing the receiver. P-14/US 1917 barrels must have been installed by King Kong with a 6-ft. cheater bar. They're almost impossible to remove. I usually do a plunge cut with a lathe cutoff tool about 1/32" ahead of the receiver to relieve most of the torque on the threads, and they're still nearly impossible to turn. Then those SQUARE threads are a P I T A to cut on a new barrel blank.
    Jerry

    Yep, lob the ears off and call it "Bubba." But it's a damn nice bubba. I know a lot of 03-A3s and Enfields were made into 300s of one variety or another. There's a lot of 308 Norma Mags out there too, because of this. They didn't need that long an action but they were very popular in the 50s before the 300 Win. Mag came along. But if you look at velocities, there's not really any practical difference in the old H&H all the way up through the Weatherby. They are all great chamberings and the H&H takes a back seat to non of them. It, afterall, is the daddy.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • jaywaptijaywapti Posts: 5,114 Senior Member
    At one time I re-barreled a O3-A3 to .308 Norma, A FN Mauser to .30-338, I had a .300 H&H and borrowed a buddies .300 Win Mag, all had 26" bbls. I chronographed all 4 with Sierra 180gr BT. the difference in velocity was only 200 fps. The .30-338 was the fastest at slightly over 3000fps and the H&H slowest at just over 2900fps. Not enough difference to cause me to chose one over another.

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • TeachTeach Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    OK, it's official- - - - -I did a wax casting of the chamber today, and it's got the classic H&H taper. A few measurements with my Starrett digital caliber confirms all the essential dimensions. Jay, if you've got brass and/or dies, drop me a PM or a phone call- - - - -I'm definitely interested!
    Thanks!
    Jerry
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