Report of Teaparty death greatly exaggerated

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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,857 Senior Member
    The classic example of what Sam and I are saying was the 1992 elections. Ross Perot, didn't have a chance in hell of getting elected, but people that are thinking like some on here voted for him and put Clinton in the White House. Then come 2008 and people did the same thing. They didn't want to vote for McCain so the stayed home or voted for that other guy, I forget his name. BINGO! What do we have but OBAMA! Then in 2012, same scenario, same outcome. However, I think Romney would have proven much more conservative than people judged him.

    It's like I said and I'll keep saying. He was of course a Politician and wanted to be elected governor of Massachusetts. But what people failed to see was he is a Mormon. I think from my own perspective Mormons read a little too much into the Bible and I personally disagree with their religious views somewhat. But one thing I didn't lose sight of is that Mormons Still believe in God, Country, and Family. They are more conservative in their personal views than just about any group. I had no problem with Romney's religion because I didn't think he would let it get in the way of being a great president. But I feel he's personally more conservative than meets the eye. You gotta remember, you don't get elected DOG CATCHER in Massachusetts doing your Ronald Reagan impersonation. And I really believe that if he'd been elected president we would have seen a much more conservative Mitt Romney.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • MississippiBoyMississippiBoy Senior Member Posts: 819 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.

    So nice, it deserves to be seen twice....
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 4,737 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    No HELL NO!!! You miss the point totally! When you DON't show up and when you vote for No Hope Joe, YOU just voted for WORSE than mediocrity. Because when you let an Obama win he is not Mediocre. He's the best of his kind, a blooming leftist that doesn't leave a stone unturned in pushing his liberal socialist agenda and taking your rights away.

    I didn't miss the point. You are blaming me (and the millions like me) for Obama winning, instead of blaming your Party for not running a conservative candidate.

    Look at it this way. I did not vote for a liberal candidate in the last two elections. YOU cannot make that claim.

    Defending Romney as a conservative is laughable. He voted for "common sense" gun control and socialized medicine long before he ever ran for president.

    In a couple years, you and Sam will try to convince me that Christie (or something similar) is our only salvation from eight years of Clinton. If your party cannot nominate someone like Paul, Cruz, or Jindal, I will vote Libertarian again.

    I want a Cadillac. I'll settle for a Buick. You are trying to sell me a '71 Pinto with a donut spare on the front.
    The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

    Ayn Rand
  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    CaliFFL wrote: »
    I didn't miss the point. You are blaming me (and the millions like me) for Obama winning, instead of blaming your Party for not running a conservative candidate.

    Look at it this way. I did not vote for a liberal candidate in the last two elections. YOU cannot make that claim.

    Defending Romney as a conservative is laughable. He voted for "common sense" gun control and socialized medicine long before he ever ran for president.

    In a couple years, you and Sam will try to convince me that Christie (or something similar) is our only salvation from eight years of Clinton. If your party cannot nominate someone like Paul, Cruz, or Jindal, I will vote Libertarian again.

    I want a Cadillac. I'll settle for a Buick. You are trying to sell me a '71 Pinto with a donut spare on the front.

    When is the last time you saw a Republican candidate in the general election who could even remotely be compared to a Buick, to use your analogy.
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  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 4,737 Senior Member
    When is the last time you saw a Republican candidate in the general election who could even remotely be compared to a Buick, to use your analogy.

    Reagan. Most of his policies were solid, but I can't forgive the MG ban or how he militarized the war on drugs.

    In my mind, that makes him a Buick.
    The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

    Ayn Rand
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,731 Senior Member
    Getting back to the premise of this thread- I find it darkly hilarious that for YEARS, some of the same people here crowing about the Tea Party winning one STATEWIDE primary (BTW, I am glad Patrick won, and voted for him) are the same ones that said for years that the libertarians having one NATIONWIDE candidate showed that they were not going to amount to anything.

    2009- "Name one libertarian, beside Ron Paul, that has won a major election. That is why we need to ignore the libertarians and vote Republican!"
    2014- "Dan Patrick beat the incumbent party hack! The Tea party is still alive- this is why we need to vote Republican!"

    Look, I think the Tea Party is a great thing. It is the gateway drug for old line Republicans to become Libertarians :)
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,115 Senior Member
    You saying it's kinda like pointing out the one (whatever, say the time a .22 LR killed and elephant) to prove (whatever, say that a .22 LR is just dandy for deer hunting/defense/long range sniping)?
    Overkill is underrated.
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 4,737 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Look, I think the Tea Party is a great thing. It is the gateway drug for old line Republicans to become Libertarians :)

    Well played. :applause:
    The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

    Ayn Rand
  • gaimangaiman Banned Posts: 60 Member
    let's just see to it that it's not Clinton in 2016, and that we have a veto proof congress repub majority in 5 months. That will stop Barry boy in his tracks, and scare the rest of them spitless/get obamacare revoked.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Getting back to the premise of this thread- I find it darkly hilarious that for YEARS, some of the same people here crowing about the Tea Party winning one STATEWIDE primary (BTW, I am glad Patrick won, and voted for him) are the same ones that said for years that the libertarians having one NATIONWIDE candidate showed that they were not going to amount to anything.

    2009- "Name one libertarian, beside Ron Paul, that has won a major election. That is why we need to ignore the libertarians and vote Republican!"
    2014- "Dan Patrick beat the incumbent party hack! The Tea party is still alive- this is why we need to vote Republican!"

    Look, I think the Tea Party is a great thing. It is the gateway drug for old line Republicans to become Libertarians :)

    Obviously you've forgotten how Ted Cruz won the US Senate seat. Cruz is another Teaparty member.

    I don't really know why you equate Dan Patrick being nominated with the "HAVE TO" vote Republican. I thought that I made it CLEAR that WE are the Republicans and that WE need to exercise control over our party during the PRIMARIES where we can effect the nomination of true conservatives. Not all conservatives are Teaparty members of course.

    Do you really think that Romney would have been equally bad as Obama?

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  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    gaiman wrote: »
    let's just see to it that it's not Clinton in 2016, and that we have a veto proof congress repub majority in 5 months. That will stop Barry boy in his tracks, and scare the rest of them spitless/get obamacare revoked.

    We'll see. If too many Republicans stay away from the polls next November, we could ensure Obama a solid path toward nominating people like Eric Holder or John Kerry to the Supreme Court. How's that sound to you M.Mouse voters? Keen?

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 4,737 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    We'll see. If too many Republicans stay away from the polls next November, we could ensure Obama a solid path toward nominating people like Eric Holder or John Kerry to the Supreme Court. How's that sound to you M.Mouse voters? Keen?

    I wrote this here some time ago, but it applies to your blind devotion GOP horse feces.
    This is why it doesn't matter who is elected to the White House. I'm told over and over again that possible SCOTUS appointees are the reason I should vote for a Republican. I could almost buy into this if the Heller decision wasn't followed with "subject to reasonable restrictions". The conservative justices researched 300 years of history and ignored "shall not be infringed". Because of this, nearly every single gun case since Heller has resulted in a lower court ruling against the defendant.

    When did the last significant ruling favor the people and not some government entity? Last time I checked, Dick Heller still couldn't bring his gun home, Susette Kelo lost her home to a private developer, Genovevo Salinas' silence was used against him, and FISA victims have no redress of grievances.

    Piss on all of them.

    PROVE ME WRONG.
    The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

    Ayn Rand
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,857 Senior Member
    CaliFFL wrote: »
    I wrote this here some time ago, but it applies to your blind devotion GOP horse feces.


    PROVE ME WRONG.
    I believe taking a rather radical view like this is counter productive. I DO NOT follow any of them blindly. Tell me again how voting for a hopeless third party candidate or not voting at all is going to help make the party more conservative. All it does is let the left in the driver's seat. The left is counting on people like you to leave the door open for them. I believe we can do more though. We can be tougher with who we elect and demand conservative results from them. But tell that to Obammy and he's going to laugh you out of the room.

    Like Sam says, any Republican is better than an Obama or Hillary. You guys cut your nose off to spite your face. Do your damage control in the Primaries. It's too late in the General election. :yikes::fiddle:




    You prove ME wrong!
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,731 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »

    Do you really think that Romney would have been equally bad as Obama?

    That's called a fallacy of bifurcation.

    I never said I disagreed with you about the premise, but it is just funny that the reason to continue supporting Tea Party Rebublicans is the same reason that people brushed off and Ignored the Libertarian Republicans.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,283 Senior Member
    CaliFFL wrote: »
    I didn't miss the point. You are blaming me (and the millions like me) for Obama winning, instead of blaming your Party for not running a conservative candidate.

    Look at it this way. I did not vote for a liberal candidate in the last two elections. YOU cannot make that claim.

    Defending Romney as a conservative is laughable. He voted for "common sense" gun control and socialized medicine long before he ever ran for president.

    In a couple years, you and Sam will try to convince me that Christie (or something similar) is our only salvation from eight years of Clinton. If your party cannot nominate someone like Paul, Cruz, or Jindal, I will vote Libertarian again.

    I want a Cadillac. I'll settle for a Buick. You are trying to sell me a '71 Pinto with a donut spare on the front.

    Yes you and millions like you since Obama only won by half a million votes. Show up or shut up.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 4,737 Senior Member
    BAMAAK wrote: »
    Yes you and millions like you since Obama only won by half a million votes. Show up or shut up.

    Quit your whining. Idaho went to Romney, without my support.
    The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

    Ayn Rand
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,283 Senior Member
    CaliFFL wrote: »
    Quit your whining. Idaho went to Romney, without my support.

    Whining? Obama won because people (like you) didn't show up, that's fact, not whining.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,230 Senior Member
    CaliFFL showed up. He didn't vote for Romney. Romney still won his state. Romney couldn't win his state any more better if Cali showed up, stayed home, voted for someone else, or whatever. Yell at Ohio or something. Florida. That would have mattered.
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,283 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    CaliFFL showed up. He didn't vote for Romney. Romney still won his state. Romney couldn't win his state any more better if Cali showed up, stayed home, voted for someone else, or whatever. Yell at Ohio or something. Florida. That would have mattered.

    The popular vote still counts all votes.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,230 Senior Member
    The popular vote doesn't elect presidents. The Electoral College does. 271 Votes was all that Romney needed. He got all that he could from Idaho.
  • Pelagic KayakerPelagic Kayaker Banned Posts: 1,503 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »

    Do your damage control in the Primaries. It's too late in the General election. :yikes::fiddle:


    Nailed it Snake. Many of the comments above are proof that that most stayed home and didn't vote. Funny how people whine and cry after the fact. People who don't vote have no right to beech and deserve to lose their freedom... PERIOD!
    "The reflection upon my situation and that of this army produces many an uneasy hour when all around me are wrapped in sleep. Few people know the predicament we are in" ~General George Washington, January 14, 1776
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,230 Senior Member
    I am not sure what you are saying. I haven't seen anyone on this thread state that they stayed home and didn't vote.
  • Pelagic KayakerPelagic Kayaker Banned Posts: 1,503 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    The popular vote doesn't elect presidents. The Electoral College does. 271 Votes was all that Romney needed. He got all that he could from Idaho.

    I think what BAAMAK is getting at is that many stay home and don't vote. You're partially right about the Electoral College, however, it still takes a popular vote, equal in numbers to its members in Congress, to make the Electoral College possible.
    "The reflection upon my situation and that of this army produces many an uneasy hour when all around me are wrapped in sleep. Few people know the predicament we are in" ~General George Washington, January 14, 1776
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,230 Senior Member
    You're partially right about the Electoral College, however, it still takes a popular vote, equal in numbers to its members in Congress, to make the Electoral College possible.
    ...on a state by state basis. The national popular vote is meaningless. A candidate can lose the national popular vote and still win the Electoral College. Just ask George W. Bush.

    CaliFFL's non-Romney vote in Idaho did not effect him losing Ohio. That is what killed him. He lost Ohio's popular vote, and hence Ohio's Electoral votes. The same as my Romney vote in Michigan didn't mean squat either-- Obama still got all of my state's Electoral votes.
  • Pelagic KayakerPelagic Kayaker Banned Posts: 1,503 Senior Member
    CaliFFL wrote: »
    Reagan. Most of his policies were solid, but I can't forgive the MG ban or how he militarized the war on drugs.

    In my mind, that makes him a Buick.

    ...in a galaxy far far away Cali is old and gray and still waiting for that perfect candidate.
    "The reflection upon my situation and that of this army produces many an uneasy hour when all around me are wrapped in sleep. Few people know the predicament we are in" ~General George Washington, January 14, 1776
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 4,737 Senior Member
    ...in a galaxy far far away Cali is old and gray and still waiting for that perfect candidate.

    Not perfect, just acceptable. Are you happy that Reagan banned MGs? Or that baby's are burned in their beds because of policies that started with RR?

    I know you GOPers have tunnel vision when viewing the liberty-killing policies of your Party and it's candidates. I don't have any problem criticizing all candidates and their idiot policies/parties.

    If your candidate signs or sponsors a bill that is anti-2A, or anti-1A, or anti-4A, they will never get my vote. You, Snake, and Sam can never convince me they are better than someone else, simply because they have an R after their names.
    The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

    Ayn Rand
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,607 Senior Member
    CaliFFL wrote: »
    Not perfect, just acceptable. Are you happy that Reagan banned MGs? Or that baby's are burned in their beds because of policies that started with RR?

    I know you GOPers have tunnel vision when viewing the liberty-killing policies of your Party and it's candidates. I don't have any problem criticizing all candidates and their idiot policies/parties.

    If your candidate signs or sponsors a bill that is anti-2A, or anti-1A, or anti-4A, they will never get my vote. You, Snake, and Sam can never convince me they are better than someone else, simply because they have an R after their names.
    THANK YOU!!!!

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  • Pelagic KayakerPelagic Kayaker Banned Posts: 1,503 Senior Member
    CaliFFL wrote: »
    Not perfect, just acceptable. Are you happy that Reagan banned MGs? Or that baby's are burned in their beds because of policies that started with RR?

    I know you GOPers have tunnel vision when viewing the liberty-killing policies of your Party and it's candidates. I don't have any problem criticizing all candidates and their idiot policies/parties.

    If your candidate signs or sponsors a bill that is anti-2A, or anti-1A, or anti-4A, they will never get my vote. You, Snake, and Sam can never convince me they are better than someone else, simply because they have an R after their names.

    (laughing ...really, I am ...I find this incredibly funny) First, just last year, "I'm a moderate", ...then, in January, "I'm a liberal", ...last week "I'm a Sierra Club member" ...and then today with beautiful blue skies above "I'm now a GOPer." Heh heh heh!!! As Scotty on Star Trek would say, "For god sakes man, pull it together!" ...er ...hmm ...maybe it's the doctor dude who says that. ...Anyway, getting back on topic, you're admitting that you don't vote in the presidential elections ...am I right? ....that is of course unless you vote the "Green" ticket ...hey, that's okay, each his own. But I do have to ask ... Ronnie "burning babies in their beds"? ...really Cali? Is that the current Alex Jones rant?
    "The reflection upon my situation and that of this army produces many an uneasy hour when all around me are wrapped in sleep. Few people know the predicament we are in" ~General George Washington, January 14, 1776
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    (laughing ...really, I am ...I find this incredibly funny) First, just last year, "I'm a moderate", ...then, in January, "I'm a liberal", ...last week "I'm a Sierra Club member" ...and then today with beautiful blue skies above "I'm now a GOPer." Heh heh heh!!! As Scotty on Star Trek would say, "For god sakes man, pull it together!" ...er ...hmm ...maybe it's the doctor dude who says that. ...Anyway, getting back on topic, you're admitting that you don't vote in the presidential elections ...am I right? ....that is of course unless you vote the "Green" ticket ...hey, that's okay, each his own. But I do have to ask ... Ronnie "burning babies in their beds"? ...really Cali? Is that the current Alex Jones rant?

    I'm beginning to believe that some of you would vote for Chairman Mao if he were still alive and running on the Republican ticket. He's the Republican nominee, so he must be better than the Democrat, Libertarian, or Independent candidate, right?
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



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