sciatica help

RugerFanRugerFan Senior MemberPosts: 1,778 Senior Member
My 20 yr old son was told yesterday(by a Nurse Practitioner), that his back pain sounded like sciatica(no xray). He was given a shot we think was a steriod and given scripts for pain and muscle relaxers. The shot whatever it was did help. He's 20 so I didn't go in the exam room.

My question is this: What type of PT should he do to help improve? I don't think meds alone will cure this.

Thanks for your help.
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  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    A Chiropractor fixed mine. No drugs
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  • RugerFanRugerFan Senior Member Posts: 1,778 Senior Member
    I figure that's that's coming. Thanks
  • TrueTone911TrueTone911 Senior Member Posts: 6,045 Senior Member
    Ditto on the chiropractor. I have been going once a month for over 10 years. I do get an epidural every few years and that helps to but I won't let them prescribe pain meds.
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,663 Senior Member
    Losing weight will help as well, if that applies.
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  • LMLarsenLMLarsen Senior Member Posts: 8,337 Senior Member
    I've been dealing with it for almost four months. They finally traced it to four inflamed discs in my lumbar spine; I'm scheduled for cortisone shots next Friday.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,980 Senior Member
    I have herniated disc in my back from the Army from lifting heavy stuff like 2-4 legged slings used to lift missile body sections and lifting out ISU (Integrated Sight Units) outta Bradley Fighting Vehicles, running in boots and sit-ups on hard pavement without a mat back when they didn't pay any attention to those things!

    At any rate that will cause you mucho pain and tingling and if it gets irritated his back will "Go out" meaning two weeks of hopping around in agony! Shots are a temporary help. I have to be extra careful lifting and the way I lift and not too heavy stuff. Even bending over wrong can make it go out.

    He needs a complete diagnosis like X-rays and scans to find out exactly what it is. He is young enough where they may be able to fix him up to like new, as we get older EVERYTHING takes longer to heal!
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  • RugerFanRugerFan Senior Member Posts: 1,778 Senior Member
    Weight isn't a problem.

    I did a little web research. At his age the causes concern me. But I also know if I looked up the top 20 diseases I would probably have symptoms of each one :). He'll probably go to a regular doctor next week. I want x rays done. In the mean time I'm trying to get him out of the bed/chair and walk a little bit.

    Thanks for the replies! Keep'em coming!!
  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    Many doctors look down on Chiros. But they couldn't fix me and a Chiro did. That was years ago and the problem never came back.
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  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    He needs a complete diagnosis like X-rays and scans to find out exactly what it is. He is young enough where they may be able to fix him up to like new, as we get older EVERYTHING takes longer to heal!

    Big's advice is spot on. A complete checkup, including Xrays and whatever. It could just be temporary muscle strain that will go away, or it could be something that needs more attention. Don't be satisfied with the quickie diagnosis he got.

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  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,489 Senior Member
    Four years ago I took a bad fall, the docs at the hospital said I busted my L4 & L5 and needed major surgery, the pain was unbearable 6 treatments at the Chiro with accupunture and I've been fine since.
    Been using them for years, seems like they always do right by me.

    JAY
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  • RugerFanRugerFan Senior Member Posts: 1,778 Senior Member
    I've been to a chiro many times over the years. We've got 1-2 good ones in the general area.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,087 Senior Member
    A chiro - AND eventfully a Belly Dance class.

    I'm not joking.

    Most Chiros LOVE Belly Dance!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,087 Senior Member
    I keep my wallet in my FRONT pocket for both health and security reasons (when I wear something with pockets that is).
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • 41 cal41 cal Member Posts: 97 Member
    I thought sciatica was pain down one leg. That was how my pain was diag'd , thinking pain started on one side of my butt and shot down. Well, after seeing 2 docs I friend told me his chiro told him to do toe touches . You know stand legs shoulder length apart and bend at waist as far down as pain will allow. At first couldn't bend very far as I could feel the strain on the nerve, but as I continued (days) I could go lower and pain was lessened until gone. Since then whenever I felt it coming back I would resume stretches and no pain. So hope his problem is something temporary that something simple can help.
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  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    When I was in my 20s I got a case of sciatica. When I went to the doctor he said "Let me see your wallet". I used to stuff everything under the sun in it and it looked like a meatball. Next question, "You keep it in your back pocket while you drive and sit around at work?". I said yes and he said to throw out everything that does not belong in there and for the next month or so take it out of your pants every time you sit for any length of time. Since then I keep a slim wallet and try not to sit on it for long periods of time (office, flights, long drives) and I've never had a problem since.

    Semi ditto. My Chiro not only fixed me but taught me a lot about proper posture, etc. I;ve used a money clip in my front pocket for years.
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  • agewonagewon Senior Member Posts: 655 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »

    Most Chiros LOVE Belly Dance!
    How you pay for your dr visits is your business.

    I was laid up in bed for a month with a bruised sciatic nerve from a nasty fall. Add that to a herniated disc and I've had my fair share of back ailments.
    Only thing that gets me right after tweaking my back Is a chiro. I WONT do pain meds. If I overdo a lift, I'm prone to compressing of the spine. I go to the chiro an after 1 visit of heat, muscle relaxation (the electrical pulses) and an adjustment, I'm 60% better walking out the door.
    Just make sure he tells the doc about any slipped or herniated disks before he gets adjusted. The chiro has to be much more cautious so that he doesn't aggravate those issues.
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,500 Senior Member
    Yep. Chiro. At least once a month.
  • JKPJKP Senior Member Posts: 1,825 Senior Member
    Recently had some sciatica issues. Lots of painful stretching resolved it.
  • Pelagic KayakerPelagic Kayaker Banned Posts: 1,503 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    A chiro - AND eventfully a Belly Dance class.

    I'm not joking.

    Most Chiros LOVE Belly Dance!

    Is that with the tie skirt or without?
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,087 Senior Member
    Is that with the tie skirt or without?

    However you want. It stretches the spine and it builds core muscle strength. I had a bad back injury in 2001, just before I started Belly Dance as coincidence would have it. I showed my Chiro some undulations and other movements - he went NUTS! Said "Keep doing that, and you'll NEVER have back problems again.". So far, he's been right!

    There's an older guy in one of the classes I was in whose Doc/Chiro told him "If you were a woman, I'd tell you to go to a Belly Dance class.". He had enough wherewithal to go to one anyway, its kept him "out of trouble" for several years now.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • sherwoodsherwood Senior Member Posts: 1,215 Senior Member
    This is what my chiros did for me. Taught me to lay on my back on a hard surface. Pull each leg tight against my chest for 20 seconds and do it 3 times. Then do the othert leg the same way. Next do the same thing but move the leg to the side. Do it twice a day for 2 weeks.

    My sciatica was caused by driving for several hours with my wallet in my pants pocket. Same thing happened to my cousin.
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,551 Senior Member
    Many doctors look down on Chiros. But they couldn't fix me and a Chiro did. That was years ago and the problem never came back.

    I'v been recommending chiropractors to people for thirty years, based on their successes with family members. I've never been to one, personally - I'm waiting until I have to be hauled in there on a litter, I guess. I've just never had anything that I couldn't 'walk off' in a few months time. :tooth:
  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,788 Senior Member
    Lots of great advice here. FWIW I have lower back scoliosis ( curve out to the left in my case ) that has created some real challenges for me to manage lower back pain. I unfortunately have stenosis as well, a narrowing of the area the spinal cord goes through. I have had it since birth and I have been dealing with significant discomfort from it for about 25 years, since I was about 30.

    As you most likely already know, sciatica is nerve pain from the lumbar spine and sacrum. The nerve root of the spinal cord passes through and then branches out through openings to your lower back and legs. Pressure on these nerves causes sciatica.

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    Pressure is from one of three things, swelling of the nerve in restricted space, reduction in the space the nerve passes through, or both. Chiropractic can open some of the lowest lumbar vertebrae and release constriction.

    Since weight is not an issue, stretching can help a lot, like an inversion table. All of your upper body weight rests on your L5 / sacrum joint and it is common for people to have pain there.

    Swelling is inflammation. Anti-inflammatories can help alleviate the discomfort. Tylenol is NOT an anti-inflammatory, it is a pain killer. Aspirin, Motrin, Aleve, and steroids are anti inflammitories and can help with swelling discomfort.

    A good bed is essential. After lots of research and trial and error, I sleep on a Tempur-pedic, and most nights I pop two Motrin to allow me to sleep as pain free as possible. Back pain is a cycle that you have to break. The more it hurts, the harder it is to sleep and relax, the more tired you are, the more tense you stay. Getting good rest is essential in my opinion. A recliner works best for me to get "neutral," and if I kick back I am out in 15 minutes or less.

    Removing your wallet is helpful. I only keep mine in my front pocket now, as well. Belts that are too tight can also have an effect. I went to sliding belts instead of belts with fixed holes, and adjustable waist pants to relieve my lower back pain and the combination of stretching ( Chiropractic does this too ), moving my wallet, weight loss, sliding belts, exercise and adjustable waist band pants has made my lower back 80% better. I still take a Motrin or Tylenol to sleep better at night.

    Oddly enough, try no salt and diuretics, too, like tea and cucumbers to lower swelling.

    It can be miserable, and I wish him luck.

    D
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  • sherwoodsherwood Senior Member Posts: 1,215 Senior Member
    I woke up during the night to pee and couldn't move after the first step. I almost had to call the Boss to get me something to pee in. My God that was painful.
    bisley wrote: »
    I'v been recommending chiropractors to people for thirty years, based on their successes with family members. I've never been to one, personally - I'm waiting until I have to be hauled in there on a litter, I guess. I've just never had anything that I couldn't 'walk off' in a few months time. :tooth:
    I may be old but I ain't dead!
    DPRMD
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,102 Senior Member
    41 cal wrote: »
    I thought sciatica was pain down one leg. That was how my pain was diag'd , thinking pain started on one side of my butt and shot down. Well, after seeing 2 docs I friend told me his chiro told him to do toe touches . You know stand legs shoulder length apart and bend at waist as far down as pain will allow. At first couldn't bend very far as I could feel the strain on the nerve, but as I continued (days) I could go lower and pain was lessened until gone. Since then whenever I felt it coming back I would resume stretches and no pain. So hope his problem is something temporary that something simple can help.

    Mine (which is inflamed right now from a 10 hour car ride yesterday) stems mostly from inflammation of the tissue around the sciatic in my lower back/hip area. It's always associated with my left leg side, but not left leg itself. That's the side the sciatic is on.

    Tje sciatic nerve runs from your lower back to just about your knee and is ONE nerve cell. Amazing really. Depending on where the inflammation and injury to the nerve occurs, the pain can be localized or widespread.

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  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,102 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    However you want. It stretches the spine and it builds core muscle strength. I had a bad back injury in 2001, just before I started Belly Dance as coincidence would have it. I showed my Chiro some undulations and other movements - he went NUTS! Said "Keep doing that, and you'll NEVER have back problems again.". So far, he's been right!

    There's an older guy in one of the classes I was in whose Doc/Chiro told him "If you were a woman, I'd tell you to go to a Belly Dance class.". He had enough wherewithal to go to one anyway, its kept him "out of trouble" for several years now.

    It's stretching and muscle training in general.

    You don't have to subject yourself to belly dancing.

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  • USUFBUSUFB Senior Member Posts: 830 Senior Member
    JasonMPD wrote: »
    It's stretching and muscle training in general.

    You don't have to subject yourself to belly dancing.

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    You don't have to, but Zorba likes to do it anyways.
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,087 Senior Member
    USUFB wrote: »
    You don't have to, but Zorba likes to do it anyways.
    You're both correct.

    Belly Dance allows you to have some fun while exercising/stretching/etc.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 7,701 Senior Member
    JasonMPD wrote: »
    It's stretching and muscle training in general.

    You don't have to subject yourself to belly dancing.

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    :that:

    First time I got sciatica I went to a chiro. He prescribed 6 weeks laying down to allow the ruptured disc to settle down then manipulated my back and injected the area with something he called 'Glue' along with cortisone. It worked for a couple of years.

    Did my back in again a few years later when I was attempting to arrest a drunk driver twice my size who assaulted me and threw me into a concrete wall.

    Went to a back specialist/spine surgeon who did a full medical including MRI scans , x-rays etc. When he got the results he asked me how much pain I could stand. I told him a fair amount. He then prescribed a week of rest...........and then sent me to a gym with specific instructions to a personal trainer of the exercises that he wanted me to do. All the exercises were designed to strengthen the back muscles like situps, leg presses and weight training. The first 2 months were hell but after a while the pain subsided and my back felt good. That was 20 yrs ago. I stopped going to the gym a year later, but continued doing things like situps and stretches that Sherwood described. Only time I get any recurrence of pain is when I stop doing exercises.

    ( And yes, I did succeed in the arrest.......broke the guys jaw and left arm in the process)

    Back/sciatica treatments are strange, some things like Chiro's work for some people, others find that exercise does it for them. The final solution can be surgery but the chances of something going wrong are increased.

    Explore all the possibilities before you make any decisions..............and that requires accurate diagnosis through x-rays and MRI's.
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 10,041 Senior Member
    I read today on Facebook that pineapple is good as a natural anti-inflamatory. It can't hurt, if you like pineapple. Pineapple and mayo sandwiches. It's a Southern thing.

    I went to a chiro one occasion for a couple of weeks. It made me feel better immediately, but was no long term cure. For lower back pain, nothing is. I also had a wallet-problem causing pain down my right (wallet) leg. And I was doing a lot of sitting and had a lot of junk in my wallet. That cured itself when I removed my wallet and a lot of junk in it.
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