Mountain Men a .410 to stop bears???????

Big ChiefBig Chief Senior MemberPosts: 32,985 Senior Member
Old feller was going off in Montana to sell his buckskin clothes and homemade knives/wares, but worried about his wife at home alone with grizzlies about. So he sets a old tin can on a stump and he is showing her how to shoot and defend herself from bears with a single shot .410 shotgun. I really just hope she is recoil sensitive and she knows how to use 12 ga with slugs or a .45-70 rifle.

I like most of the characters on the series, but some of their antics are beyond amazing. Like the one in North Carolina who owes over $80,000 (In back taxes I assume) then says gas is too expensive to drive into town so spends hours hammering out horseshoes on an anvil to protect them from the pavement with only a few hours left until the courthouse closes and a few days until he loses all his land.

Don't know what happened there, but the next episode said a friend loaned him the money (or $40,000) and he is vigorously trying to sell lumber he cut to pay him back.

I know they are paid several thousand dollars per episode to do those reality shows and naturally they have to stage a lot of the crisis's to keep it interesting and make something happen out in the wilderness.

Some of the scenery is really neat and some of the things they do is awesome using old time skills and back breaking work, I know. They must have good laugh away from the cameras, these ole boys and gals didn't just fall off the turnip truck into the survival/wilderness game they chose to do to make a living.
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,904 Senior Member
    You need to watch Mountain Monsters on the Destination America channel.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,985 Senior Member
    NN wrote: »
    You need to watch Mountain Monsters on the Destination America channel.


    I ain't heard of that one..............another Bigfoot could this be the evidence they need at last to prove its existence?
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  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,083 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    I ain't heard of that one..............another Bigfoot could this be the evidence they need at last to prove its existence?

    Not just Bigfoot, those stupid hillbillies chase any made up critter. It probably won't be long before they are combing the river breaks looking for the Deer Lady in my area.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,985 Senior Member
    Not just Bigfoot, those stupid hillbillies chase any made up critter. It probably won't be long before they are combing the river breaks looking for the Deer Lady in my area.

    Deer Lady a distant cousin to a Mermaid? Has her tail on her butt, not at her feet? :tooth:
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  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    I don't know about a 410 but according to Jack O' Connor the world record for Grizzly bear was held for some time by an Inuit girl using a .22LR might have even been a short. But the story goes she and her little brother were out picking berries and she saw the bear.
    She dragged her brother into the brush. The bear walked right by them and she stuck the muzzle in his ear. I reckon even a .270 or a .327 would have worked in that little scenario.
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,904 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    I ain't heard of that one..............another Bigfoot could this be the evidence they need at last to prove its existence?
    They don't need need evidence to do an investigation, they is TV stars
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  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,083 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    No reason to go telling stories and out right lies.

    Damn it you made me choke on my Hoegarrden!
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  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,083 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Deer Lady a distant cousin to a Mermaid? Has her tail on her butt, not at her feet? :tooth:

    I am a little fuzzy on the exact details. I think she may be a cousin to the Goat Lady who lives IN town. The Goat Lady is a (more or less) normal looking old woman who is bat guano crazy that raises and sells goats.
    I am afraid we forget sometime that the basic and simple things brings us the most pleasure.
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  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    No reason to go telling stories and out right lies.

    Okay, ya got me, I'm busted.
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  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 7,702 Senior Member
    I am a little fuzzy on the exact details. I think she may be a cousin to the Goat Lady who lives IN town. The Goat Lady is a (more or less) normal looking old woman who is bat guano crazy that raises and sells goats.

    Cant be Buffy in drag then........... Goats aint for selling, to him it would be like selling his girlfriend.......................ah....................yeah, that.
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  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,083 Senior Member
    orchidman wrote: »
    Cant be Buffy in drag then........... Goats aint for selling, to him it would be like selling his girlfriend.......................ah....................yeah, that.

    Isn't that the oldest profession? Nobody ever said "Pimping is EASY!"
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,985 Senior Member
    There was a story in the 60/70s (?) in an outdoor magazine about an Eskimo who killed a Polar Bear with a .22 rifle, shot him through the eye. He apparently got caught out on the ice and that's all he had with him to shoot the bear.

    There was another story of a guy treed who only had a 9mm (S&W 39?) who emptied it on the skull of a bear shaking the tree he ran up and they all bounced off, but eventually the bear got bored and wandered off.

    Both cases, they are lucky to be around to tell their tale.
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,553 Senior Member
    The polar bear tale I heard as a kid had young Eskimo men going out to prove their manhood with a single-shot .22 Short. Supposedly the bear would attack them and put the barrel in his mouth, allowing a kill shot.

    I doubt this tale on more than one level, but there's no doubt that it would take a 'pair' to try it. :tooth:
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 9,468 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    There was a story in the 60/70s (?) in an outdoor magazine about an Eskimo who killed a Polar Bear with a .22 rifle, shot him through the eye. He apparently got caught out on the ice and that's all he had with him to shoot the bear.

    You only hear the success stories.. No one is left to tell the story of failures...... They got 'et!
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,985 Senior Member
    I believe the Eskimo tale was was well documented and referenced in may publications, been a long time ago. I dunno what an Eskimo would gain fro telling tall tales, unless they do it to to have something to talk about while chewing the fat... er blubber in the igloo on Saturday nights.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,788 Senior Member
    FWIW a .410 Brenneke slug weighs about 115 gr, can travel about 2000 fps and generate about 1000 FPE, and does not deform a lot. I personally would like stronger bear medicine, but that's better than a .38 special, 9mm, .45, 10mm, .357, or even .44 magnum from a 6 inch gun.

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  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 9,468 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    I believe the Eskimo tale was was well documented and referenced in may publications, been a long time ago. I dunno what an Eskimo would gain fro telling tall tales, unless they do it to to have something to talk about while chewing the fat... er blubber in the igloo on Saturday nights.

    I'm sure it did happen. An old woman shot and killed a big grizz with a .22 when I was stationed there.

    Every year some Eskimo's go out onto the ice and just disappear. Maybe they tried that same shot...... With a different ending....

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  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,102 Senior Member
    BigDanS wrote: »
    FWIW a .410 Brenneke slug weighs about 115 gr, can travel about 2000 fps and generate about 1000 FPE, and does not deform a lot. I personally would like stronger bear medicine, but that's better than a .38 special, 9mm, .45, 10mm, .357, or even .44 magnum from a 6 inch gun.

    D

    :uhm:

    6" barrels push 225gr bullets to about 1200 fps and a 115gr bullet (non existent in .44mag) would have to be going 2350fps to match the momentum of a 225gr bullet at 1200 fps.

    Gimme the .44mag over the .410 Brenneke ANY day.


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  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,624 Senior Member
    Tell Karamojo Bell about "bring enough gun." Bullet placement is everything, not caliber.
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 10,727 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio wrote: »

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    One of my favorite Farsides!
    Keep us posted about the show, bear vs. .410 should make for some good TV.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,803 Senior Member
    I didn't know about the 22 LR account, but I have heard that one of the Eskimo's weapons of choice for Polar Bear was the .222 Remington. That's crazy enough, but the .22 LR is complete madness.
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  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,083 Senior Member
    horselips wrote: »
    Tell Karamojo Bell about "bring enough gun." Bullet placement is everything, not caliber.

    His quarry was not going to eat him. Mash him into toe jam yes, not turn him into a turd.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,837 Senior Member
    BigDanS wrote: »
    FWIW a .410 Brenneke slug weighs about 115 gr, can travel about 2000 fps and generate about 1000 FPE, and does not deform a lot. I personally would like stronger bear medicine, but that's better than a .38 special, 9mm, .45, 10mm, .357, or even .44 magnum from a 6 inch gun.

    D
    ?
    Gauge/Bore: 410
    Shell Length: 3"
    Slug Type: Silver Rifled
    Slug Weight: 1/4 oz


    Ballistics Information:
    Muzzle Velocity: 1755 fps
    Muzzle Energy: a whopping 781 ft. lbs.

    Bear medicine? Only if that's the only thing you got...
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,056 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    Bear medicine? Only if that's the only thing you got...
    ...or if it looks good enough on camera. They got to create some sort of drama on those shows. All it is is show business. They need to act out the script.
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,102 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    ...or if it looks good enough on camera. They got to create some sort of drama on those shows. All it is is show business. They need to act out the script.

    Just look at Sons of Guns.

    None of that crap happens in a legitimate gun shop.

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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,816 Senior Member
    I'd want one of the new 12 ga. Benelli semiauto shotguns like the M4 loaded with 3" rifled slugs. When the adrenaline starts flowing recoil would be the last thing on your mind.
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  • gaimangaiman Banned Posts: 60 Member
    if the .44 is in a revolver, and the 410 is a reliable auto, i'll take the 410, all day long, cause you must get brain hits to stop charges, and I can achieve those at much greater range, much faster, with the 410 than even Jerry Miculek can do with a .44 revolver. :-)
  • gaimangaiman Banned Posts: 60 Member
    regardless of whether or not you NOTICE recoil, it's still there. I'd take a 308 autoloader, any day, loaded with Nosler Partitions and any bear that I saw, inside of 100 yds, that didn't flee when it noticed me, I'd start (carefully as time permitte) shooting at its head. Those things are like freight trains once they start moving. As long as they flee at the sight/smell/hearing of humans, or they're further away than that, we're fine.
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 10,727 Senior Member
    gaiman wrote: »
    if the .44 is in a revolver, and the 410 is a reliable auto, i'll take the 410, all day long, cause you must get brain hits to stop charges, and I can achieve those at much greater range, much faster, with the 410 than even Jerry Miculek can do with a .44 revolver. :-)

    Pace off 20 paces with Jerry, you with your .410 and Jerry with his .44, yell "Draw", I am not going to bet against Jerry.

    Welcome BTW, how do you pronounce your forum name?
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  • gaimangaiman Banned Posts: 60 Member
    and me with the 410 held HOW? Jerry, knowing my rep, would not bet against me. :-) If I had to sling the 410, sure. But both of us, gun held at the ready? When it's for REAL, no ear protection? I"ll do it. and I bet Jerry wouldn't. :-)
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