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BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior MemberPosts: 4,484 Senior Member
Father who shot gunman at Huntsville skate park says he 'feared for my children's lives, and the lives of the other children there

http://www.al.com/news/huntsville/index.ssf/2014/06/father_who_shot_gunman_at_hunt.html#incart_most-read

I think this guy should have just called 911 and let the cops handle the picture taking, instead he confronted the guy and things went south. Then he went Rambo. With his history, he should have thought twice.
"He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,715 Senior Member
    http://www.al.com/news/huntsville/index.ssf/2014/06/father_who_shot_gunman_at_hunt.html

    Fixed for you
    I think this guy should have just called 911 and let the cops handle the picture taking, instead he confronted the guy and things went south. Then he went Rambo. With his history, he should have thought twice.
    :that:


    Just like the one KP put up
    let LEO's do the LEO stuff
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  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    Tough call. I would have had to have been there. However, Weil had no business interfering with the guy and his babes taking pics, "scantilly clad" is legal - and proper during a Georgia summer. Weil would probably freak out and go postal at a beach, with all those thongs, bikinis and speedos. Heavens to Betsy, can't let his boys see some really, really, really scantily clad girls.
  • Pelagic KayakerPelagic Kayaker Banned Posts: 1,503 Senior Member
    IMHO a person has every right to question innapropriate behavior in a tactful manner especially when little kids are involved. If the perp brought out a gun then blast the loser ...end of story. If Americans policed our own we wouldn't need the cops in the first place. Based on what I read, the guy had every right to use lethal means. Too many people today think they can do anything they want in the extreme without any consequences. Hats off to one less punk in the world. Now if we (not the police) could treat gang bangers the same way as terrorists...
  • Fat BillyFat Billy Senior Member Posts: 1,813 Senior Member
    Back in the old west everyone carried at least one and many times more than one firearm. I bet they we're more polite and less confrontational. Anything could become deadly if carried too far. You would tip your hat to a female not say "yo B****h move aside". Different times I guess. :nono: Later,
    Fat Billy

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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    It's kind of an open area but an exit ramp is right next to it, there are lots of homeless people in tent city (till tomorrow when they said they have to leave) under the overpasses and some businesses 100 yds in the other direction. I'm not sure if the guy is a good or bad shot but shooting someone in the butt is silly, if you're gonna shoot, mean it. The guy could very well have returned fire.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • Pelagic KayakerPelagic Kayaker Banned Posts: 1,503 Senior Member
    Several times, back in the day when our son was young, I had to ask people to check their language in a public place. I would ask in a polite and respectful manner only to be told (nice and loud so everyone could hear) to go F**K myself.

    It then becomes a gut check.

    Just a few months ago some loser teen was talking to her other loser friend on a nextel for all to hear at a local bookstore. She was going isle to isle with volume cranked high as it would go. Customers were sighing, head shaking and so on ...in other words, no one had any balls to tell her to turn it off. This white trash loser, who will soon be on welfare raising eight kids, was obviously enjoying the scene she was creating. When she came to the isle I was on I told her to turn it off. She told me to do something that was anatomically impossible and continued on. I then grabbed it from her hand the whole time she's tellling she's "getting her boyfriend" ...then, when that didn't work, she's going to "call the police" blah blah blah. Upon reaching the front entrance I threw the smart phone in a nearby trash can. (I wanted to smash it) Never saw her again. I do remember the shock on her face when she realized that some play hardball. Sometimes one reaches a point where ya just don't give a sheet. I have no patience for punk kids.
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,611 Senior Member
    no one had any balls to tell her to turn it off. .


    Possible. More likely they knew there was zero chance of her listening without some sort of intervention and decided not to waste their time. Was it really worth risking an assault charge? You must be one tough dude picking on a fifteen year old girl.:roll: Next time don't mess with the phone, just throw the pimp hand, that way she really knows you mean business.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    The whole incident sounds like a dick measuring contest to me.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,611 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    The whole incident sounds like a dick measuring contest to me.


    Agreed. Seems to me that both dudes were more interested in proving who was tougher (seems to be going around) than in actually being men.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Kind of an odd case. My thoughts are such (and sorry, I haven't yet had this post cleared by knitepoet or any of my other fans, and I realize I should PM them for permission, but here goes anyway):

    1- The guy had zero business confronting the photo taker in the first place. He wasn't being attacked or otherwise confronted in any way. If he thought that someone was breaking the law, he should have called the cops. He was in no danger nor was anybody else.

    2- After the argument began, as far as he says, it does seem that he acted in a reasonable way, but there don't seem to be any independent accounts as to the scenario.

    3- Because the guy has a record of confrontations, it appears that he's a bit of a hothead anyway. I'm guessing that his account of the escalation is slanted in his favor. But if he's telling the story straight and the photog guy did get a weapon from his car and really did threaten to shoot everyone, the perhaps the reaction was justified.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    The whole incident sounds like a dick measuring contest to me.

    Was one named Richard Skinner?
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,398 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Kind of an odd case. My thoughts are such (and sorry, I haven't yet had this post cleared by knitepoet or any of my other fans, and I realize I should PM them for permission, but here goes anyway):

    You really had to go there? Really? Since you're naming names, might as well list us all! :rotflmao:
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  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,953 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    You really had to go there? Really? Since you're naming names, might as well list us all! :rotflmao:

    A large fan base .......I agree
  • MississippiBoyMississippiBoy Senior Member Posts: 819 Senior Member
    Fat Billy wrote: »
    Back in the old west everyone carried at least one and many times more than one firearm. I bet they we're more polite and less confrontational. Anything could become deadly if carried too far. You would tip your hat to a female not say "yo B****h move aside". Different times I guess. :nono: Later,

    Incorrect. Guns in the Old West were not nearly as common as Hollywood shows them to be.

    But back to the original post, it's hard to judge. Of course, everything sounds reasonable coming from the dad, but what's the other side of the story?
    He walked over to the photographer and began yelling obscenities at him, the photographer backed up and retrieved his gun in fear, then when the dad got his gun, the photographer tried to get away in his car since he didn't want to shoot or get shot, but the dad shoots the windows out while he's fumbling for his keys. Then when he tries to go to his friends' car, they panic and run, and he can't get the car in gear to get away from the deranged man with the gun.

    It's all in who tells the story and how they tell it. If the dad asks (emphasis on ASKS) politely for the girls to cover up while there's kids around and the photographer flips his lid, then Dad should call the cops and escape the situation. But he didn't. He decided that he would escalate the whole thing by directly confronting the guy.

    Again, I'm Monday morning quarterbacking, but that's most likely what should've happened.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Was one named Richard Skinner?

    rimshot!
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    But back to the original post, it's hard to judge. Of course, everything sounds reasonable coming from the dad, but what's the other side of the story?
    He walked over to the photographer and began yelling obscenities at him, the photographer backed up and retrieved his gun in fear, then when the dad got his gun, the photographer tried to get away in his car since he didn't want to shoot or get shot, but the dad shoots the windows out while he's fumbling for his keys. Then when he tries to go to his friends' car, they panic and run, and he can't get the car in gear to get away from the deranged man with the gun.

    It's all in who tells the story and how they tell it. If the dad asks (emphasis on ASKS) politely for the girls to cover up while there's kids around and the photographer flips his lid, then Dad should call the cops and escape the situation. But he didn't. He decided that he would escalate the whole thing by directly confronting the guy.

    Again, I'm Monday morning quarterbacking, but that's most likely what should've happened.

    Excellent description of what the other guy (the photog) might say -- right now we've only got the shooter's depiction.
  • gatorgator Senior Member Posts: 1,746 Senior Member
    It is all about RIGHTS....
    The photographer had the right to be there and the dad had the right to leave if he did not like what the other guy was doing. If dad thought something was amiss, he should have reported it. I'm pretty sure the parents of the other kids at the park did not appoint him as their guardian.
    In my opinion......the dad was spoiling for a fight....
    And if someone pulls a gun there ain't no way I'm going to leave my 6yo hiding by himself in a pool while I go and confront the guy.
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  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    ........ I then grabbed it from her hand the whole time she's tellling she's "getting her boyfriend" ...then, when that didn't work, she's going to "call the police" blah blah blah. Upon reaching the front entrance I threw the smart phone in a nearby trash can.......


    You put your hands on her person? :nono:

    Assault!

    Thank goodness you felt no need to draw down on the '' punk kid.'' :guns:


    I sometimes think the inmates have taken over the mental ward. :buff2:
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,713 Senior Member
    It then becomes a gut check.

    I then grabbed it from her hand the whole time she's tellling she's "getting her boyfriend" ...then, when that didn't work, she's going to "call the police" blah blah blah. Upon reaching the front entrance I threw the smart phone in a nearby trash can. (I wanted to smash it) Never saw her again. I do remember the shock on her face when she realized that some play hardball.

    Had that been my daughter, we would be playing hardball.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • gatorgator Senior Member Posts: 1,746 Senior Member
    .......... loser teen ........... loser friend........... This white trash loser, who will soon be on welfare raising eight kids.........

    Wow......You figured all this out in five minutes in the book store?
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  • BuffcoBuffco Senior Member Posts: 6,244 Senior Member
    I need to see pictures of the bikini clad girls in order to make a proper assessment.
  • Pelagic KayakerPelagic Kayaker Banned Posts: 1,503 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    Had that been my daughter, we would be playing hardball.

    I love sports.
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,713 Senior Member
    I love sports.

    Being a judjemental fool is a sport?

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    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • Pelagic KayakerPelagic Kayaker Banned Posts: 1,503 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    Being a judjemental fool is a sport?

    Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk 2

    Naw, just don't tolerate gang banger punks who think it's okay to harass elderly patrons for kicks.
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,111 Senior Member
    Reference has been made to Weil being a hot head with a history..............The guy has two prior arrest records from when he was 18yrs old, was found Not Guilty of one charge and convicted on the second. Both happened just under 20yrs ago.

    He is now a family man with 2 kids and is studying full time.

    It could be that he made some mistakes as a teenager, paid the price that society set for him and 'grew up' as a result of that.

    I don't know the guy personally but it seems to me that 'There but for the grace of God' go some if not most of us.

    He appears to have 'kept his nose clean' since then.................I would be hesitant to label him a hothead or liken his actions to Rambo based on those facts.

    Monday morning 'quarterbacking' is grossly overrated..............

    I wonder what the threads would be saying if Weil hadn't got his weapon and the 'photographer' had gone 'stupid ' and opened fire in a playground full of kids....................?
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  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Some good commentary, orchid, thanks -- you made points that many of us (me included) hadn't considered.
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,611 Senior Member
    Naw, just don't tolerate gang banger punks who think it's okay to harass elderly patrons for kicks.

    Apparently, elderly patrons harassing (supposed) gangbanger punks is okay? By your own words, she was doing no more than being rude. You took it up a notch by 'telling her to turn it off'. What right did you have to do that? Now, I hate rude behavior as much as the next guy, but trumping rude with downright hostility seems like it defeats the purpose. Frankly, I don't buy the gangbanger aspect at all. If she really was some thug's babymama, she wouldn't stand for some dude snatching her phone away from her. I don't doubt she was rude, but she sure wasn't the tough sort.

    IF this happened at all. Big if.

    But hey, it's your story, you tell it however you want.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    The only account of the incident is from the shooter. He very well may have had sufficient grounds for retrieving his weapon, but we have only his words to suggest that. If the 'shootee' really did brandish a weapon first, his correct action would have been to retreat with all of the 'innocent' parties to a safe location and only fire if the guy pursued. I can identify nothing in this account of the events that would justify his pursuing the shootee as he was retreating.

    More than likely, they both behaved stupidly and there is a good chance that neither is competent to be trusted with firearms. I'm inclined to think that there is much more to this story. I would like to hear what the girls who were being photographed had to say.
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,557 Senior Member
    It then becomes a gut check.

    Just a few months ago some loser teen was talking to her other loser friend on a nextel for all to hear at a local bookstore. She was going isle to isle with volume cranked high as it would go. Customers were sighing, head shaking and so on ...in other words, no one had any balls to tell her to turn it off. This white trash loser, who will soon be on welfare raising eight kids, was obviously enjoying the scene she was creating. When she came to the isle I was on I told her to turn it off. She told me to do something that was anatomically impossible and continued on. I then grabbed it from her hand the whole time she's tellling she's "getting her boyfriend" ...then, when that didn't work, she's going to "call the police" blah blah blah. Upon reaching the front entrance I threw the smart phone in a nearby trash can. (I wanted to smash it) Never saw her again. I do remember the shock on her face when she realized that some play hardball. Sometimes one reaches a point where ya just don't give a sheet. I have no patience for punk kids.

    I approve this message.

    I was at a movie a few months ago (rare because $50 for popcorn is robbery) and a "gentleman" (in his 30s) was yacking it up on his cell phone, during the movie, not the previews.

    Everyone within earshot was sighing and groaning--all sorts of minimally confrontational passive aggressive bleating. I leaned forward and addressed his woman, "Ma'am, would you please take your loud-a** child outside if he wants to talk to his little man friends on the phone?"

    She was utterly embarrassed and slapped her man and told him to get off the phone. He dozed off a few minutes later. Thankfully he wasn't a snorer.

    Not everything is a police matter.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    I then grabbed it from her hand the whole time she's tellling she's "getting her boyfriend" ...then, when that didn't work, she's going to "call the police" blah blah blah.

    In the opinion of this lowly apartment dweller, and without first clearing the post with my erstwhile personalized censorship board, I would say that you stepped over the line. You had zero right to physically contact this gal or to take her phone from her.

    If you were offended you should have complained to the management or simply left. But you are not authorized (nor am I) to take physical action against another person unless you're being attacked or threatened, neither of which seems to be true.

    You risked assault charges plus theft charges when you took the phone.

    And it's "aisle".
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