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Wambli Ska wrote: »
Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
MileHighShooter wrote: »
To elaborate a bit more, personally, true elk rifles start at .30 and go up from there. Doesn't have to be a big tooth jarring magnum (though they are nice IF you shoot them well) but if ain't fast, at least make it big.
338 fed/338-06, 35 whelen, 350 rem mag, 9.3x62....much better
shotgunshooter3 wrote: »
Hmm, so maybe I should snag one of these Weatherby Vanguards on sale for $350?
MileHighShooter wrote: »
Weatherby wrote: »
It's not like were talking to a hard headed Texan like BP OH wait
wildgene wrote: »
...150's are fine for deer, but was me, loading for a 7mmRM, I'd be looking @ a heavier constructed 160 or 175gr. bullet. Comparing bullets of similar design, it's been my experience they hold up better if you have a close shot in the timber, & once you get out where things start to get interesting, say 350+yds., they're generally holding their velocity better, deliver more energy & better penetration. You need to push a lighter bullet @ considerably higher velocities to outperform a heavier bullet @ longer ranges, & they become a liability @ short range. Super-flat trajectories w/ a MPBR of 500yds. is great, but I'd just as soon hold a couple inches higher @ 400yds., & use a bullet that I know is going to work like it's supposed to...
JerryBobCo wrote: »
I'm hunting units 68/84 for elk this year, and 69 and adjacent GMUs for deer. I'll be hunting the season that starts on Nov. 5 and runs through Nov. 13. I'll be able to sleep in my own bed and hunt from home, as it's my 'home range'.
SS3, with proper bullet placement, I think you should be ok with the 7-08 and 140 grain partitions. If you can bring something a bit heavier, though, that you shoot equally well, I'd give that some consideration. As with just about anything else, bullet placement is key.
Snake, if you're going with a 7RM, I would suggest at least a 160 grain, premium bullet.
shotgunshooter3 wrote: »
No, I dislike recoil quite a bit, BUT perhaps with a mercury recoil reducer and a good pad in the stock...
Ugh, my bank account is saying no... But between Air Assault Course this January and 29 days of Annual Training this summer that's a few G's... NO, ****!!!
Truth be told, the only thing bigger than a .30-06 that I've fired is a .338 Lapua with a brake, once. Unless an M203 counts :jester:
Seriously though, any new rifles will be on hold until I know for SURE I'm going on the hunt at all. Most of the money I earn will probably go into savings and to cover tag/expenses.
I shoot nice guns and race fancy bikes, I really need a cheaper hobby...
snake284 wrote: »
Hey SS3, if you're confused at this point, think about me! These same people told me the 7 mag would be more than adequate for elk, now they're drawing the low line at 30? Now I'm gettin dizzy here. Do I or do I not need to change the barrel on this thing to a 300 Win. Mag. to kill an elk?
Jeeper wrote: »
*I've* never hunted Elk, but gawd knows PLENTY of elk have been taken with the 7mm Mag. If I *were* hunting Elk, I wouldn't expect to be undergunned with the right bullets in 7mm Mag. Or .30-06, .308, etc.
Jermanator wrote: »
You guys just aren't seeing my vision here!!! Ignore the whole .338 Win mag business for a second....
If I went and said "Hey guys, how about he gets a .338 Federal or a .338 Marlin Express. They both have fairly mild recoil and are very adequate on elk out to 250 yards or so." You all would be thinking that it is a sensible suggestion and confronts the recoil issue responsibly. Correct?
Now lets bring back the .338 WM... We can duplicate that .338 Fed/.338 ME performance and recoil in the Win mag. There is no need for a mercury reducer, nor should the relatively light loads be too much gun to handle. Worst case scenario is to install a brake which will bring full out .338 mag recoil down to 30/06 but we shouldn't have to go there at all.
When I say that my 9 year old daughter can shoot my .460 S&W all day without recoil fatigue and BP's kids can do the same with his .458 Win mag, I mean it! With smart reloading, you can de-fang these guns to the point where they are very comfortable to shoot.
My truck can pull 12,000 pounds fairly easy and has no problems going over 100 mph. That does not prevent me from driving 25 mph to the corner store and hauling just a gallon of milk.
sakodude wrote: »
Your approach to the problem is sensible and has merit. The problem as I see it is SS3 has expressed concern over the expense of a new rifle, let alone the optics and now the posssible addition of a brake. Then in order to down load from factory he would have to aquire reloading equipement, another expense.
If he has a limited budget then he should use that money to get to Colorado for this event and use what ever rifle he finds at his disposal. Be it his 7-08 or a loaner. He has his whole life ahead of him to aquire bigger and better. Thats my opinion for what it's worth.
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