Time to get serious on the border!

Teach

Check out this news item:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/20/cartels-suspected-as-high-caliber-gunfire-sends-border-patrol-scrambling-on-rio/

we need to have enough firepower facing south to hamburger these scumbags- - - - -maybe a few Cobra gunships with 20MM Gatling guns would be a good start!
Jerry

Buford

Our government does not have the will or desire to do this.

Teach

Buford wrote: »

Our government does not have the will or desire to do this.

That's a fact. Some of the toughest lawmen in recent history were Border Patrol agents, but not any more. Back when they could whack and stack the bandits who came across the southern border, things were a lot safer down there. Now the good guys can't even return fire to keep from getting killed!
Jerry

Razorbacker

Time to do what the Israelis do when they take fire from across the border. But by the time our guys got the okay to fire from the micro managing selfie taking # taggers in DC we'd probably lose 3 Cobras.

bisley

I think most Texans expect the Governor to deal with this.

horselips

Teach wrote: »

Check out this news item:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/20/cartels-suspected-as-high-caliber-gunfire-sends-border-patrol-scrambling-on-rio/

we need to have enough firepower facing south to hamburger these scumbags- - - - -maybe a few Cobra gunships with 20MM Gatling guns would be a good start!
Jerry

Hey, last time I suggested shooting illegal aliens I got in big trouble. You better specify that those Cobra gunships must only "hamburger" illegals 18 and over.

Elk creek

Not the immigrants, the combatants. There is a difference. Wow, just wow

Jermanator

Yea, when they got a gunboat and are firing a 50 cal Browning at our Border Patrol agents, it is past time to fire back.

Teach

I wonder where that "sniper" guy who used to hang out here might be? Sounds like he could come in handy in these kinds of situations!
:uhm:
Jerry

Buford

Teach wrote: »

I wonder where that "sniper" guy who used to hang out here might be? Sounds like he could come in handy in these kinds of situations!
:uhm:
Jerry

There were two of them one I wouldn't trust with a potato gun.

Teach

That's a big 10-4!
:yikes:
Jerry

snake284

This is Way Yonder past being a Texas problem or a New Mexico problem, or an Arizona problem, or a California problem. It's now an American problem, and a HUGE American problem at that. If we continue to allow this it won't be long until we'll be as bad off as Mexico. Another thing to remember. Those that try to come here within the law spend big bucks and jump through flaming hoops to get a legal visa. Then Obama and the Dummy craps open the door for our neighbors to the south and let them have a free ride. Because of course they know that most of these people, when they get citizenship will vote Dummycrap and after a while you will never see a conservative or Republican politician elected here again. We have to stop this.

snake284

bisley wrote: »

I think most Texans expect the Governor to deal with this.

Yeah and we will hope our future Governor isn't named Wendy D.

bisley

Rick Perry has repeatedly attempted to get the Feds to engage, and gotten lip service in return. Now, it's past time to take measures, locally, to defend the public. The governor has reveled in the popularity he has received for speaking out against the federal government's non-action on this issue.

Now, it is time to put up or shut up. He commands the National Guard, right up to the moment that the President formally 'nationalizes' it, and it is time to start using them as a state militia. This will force the Feds to commit, one way or the other - they can nationalize the National Guard against the governor, as Eisenhower did in 1959, when the Arkansas governor attempted to use them to keep the schools segregated, or they can accept the national outrage for their overt failure to enforce immigration laws that were made to protect our sovereign borders.

It's time for the border states to bring all this to a head, and this is the incident that should trigger that. I'm ready to see what Rick Perry is really made of. He has been a good politician for several years, by riding a wave of prosperity that he inherited and was smart enough to not screw it up- it's now time to see if he can be an effective governor.

snake284

bisley wrote: »

Rick Perry has repeatedly attempted to get the Feds to engage, and gotten lip service in return. Now, it's past time to take measures, locally, to defend the public. The governor has reveled in the popularity he has received for speaking out against the federal government's non-action on this issue.

Now, it is time to put up or shut up. He commands the National Guard, right up to the moment that the President formally 'nationalizes' it, and it is time to start using them as a state militia. This will force the Feds to commit, one way or the other - they can nationalize the National Guard against the governor, as Eisenhower did in 1959, when the Arkansas governor attempted to use them to keep the schools segregated, or they can accept the national outrage for their overt failure to enforce immigration laws that were made to protect our sovereign borders.

It's time for the border states to bring all this to a head, and this is the incident that should trigger that. I'm ready to see what Rick Perry is really made of. He has been a good politician for several years, by riding a wave of prosperity that he inherited and was smart enough to not screw it up- it's now time to see if he can be an effective governor.

I like Perry and he may surprise us all and do this, but I'm afraid too many politicians are trying to wait Obama out of office. Only problem is Perry's more lame duck than Obama. We'll see what he's really made of.

bullsi1911

No one did anything when the El Paso city hall was hit by rifle fire from Mexico. Or when mortar rounds came across the border. Or when the Cartels used armed helicopter gunships to fire on a resort that had American citizens inside.

No one will do anything this time either. Rich people want to keep the steady supply of basically slave labor tending their yards, gardens, and children.

centermass556

So I'm not smart on the ins and outs of the national guard.... But I thought this was what the national guard was for. Why doesn't Perry mobilize the 49th AD and send them to the boarder.

Teach

He's gotta get a few political licks in first- - - - -like "refusing" to meet Curious George at the airport last week before changing his mind about it to score a few points with his conservative donors. Political theater, no matter which side does it!
Jerry

BAMAAK

centermass556 wrote: »

So I'm not smart on the ins and outs of the national guard.... But I thought this was what the national guard was for. Why doesn't Perry mobilize the 49th AD and send them to the boarder.

He is and it's going to cost the good citizens of Texas 12 mil a month. Thanks Texas. I wonder if they will give them bullets?

Six-Gun

Buford wrote: »

Our government does not have the will or desire to do this.

Exactly. Too many votes slipping through to dare stop it.

Teach

The National Guard neds to establish a 5 mile wide no man's land SOUTH of the Rio Grande, with every tree, shrub and building bulldozed flat, and overlapping fields of fire for M2's on the North bank- - - - - -sort of like the DMZ betweeen the Koreas.
Jerry

centermass556

I would get smart with this....It would be expensive. But, isn't Lockheed still in Dallas? contract them to make some Drones with Small arms. To pay for this, simply tack two cents onto the state tax for Gas. there are low impact ways to recoup this money in taxes to make this happen. It sucks. but if you want to get serious, you have to stop looking at cost. In the end run, Bill the federal government...

snake284

centermass556 wrote: »

I would get smart with this....It would be expensive. But, isn't Lockheed still in Dallas? contract them to make some Drones with Small arms. To pay for this, simply tack two cents onto the state tax for Gas. there are low impact ways to recoup this money in taxes to make this happen. It sucks. but if you want to get serious, you have to stop looking at cost. In the end run, Bill the federal government...

As much as Texans are pissed off about taxes, if not one penny went to the fed, and it all went to support beefing up border security, I believe this would fly.

Of course the border needs beefing up because the fed refuses to do anything. So in effect, anything spent on border security would be to replace what the fed didn't fund.

centermass556

Well think about it Snake...Say your truck takes 20 gallons to fill up. 20x.02 =.4

You would only notice a half dollar increase when you filled up. You could really tack on a whole nickel and it wouldn't have a huge impact on the consumer/citizen. Considering all the foklks that get gas in the course of a week, you would have this paid for very quickly.

centermass556

I mentioned the 49th AD, But in truth they reflagged to some other unit...136th? At any rate, they had/have the equipment to engage and defeat Gunships.

you put a Bradly..or even and old 113 on a hill and you now own everything with the sight of that vehicle. Even if they only have up-armored Humvees now. Supporting Fires can work just as well.

I'm not for shooting unarmed folks swimming to a better life. But, you put a stich in the water before they enter and bet they will rethink their options.


The biggest thing is if Perry has the stones to give a good set of ROE. The National Guard units that did multple trips to the desert made over like fat rats in terms of training they received and access to funds that allowed them to fatten their equipment lists. Believe it or not, some those govenors were doing their level best to get their units into the fight so they could take adavantage of the money.

Razorbacker

Teach wrote: »

The National Guard neds to establish a 5 mile wide no man's land SOUTH of the Rio Grande, with every tree, shrub and building bulldozed flat, and overlapping fields of fire for M2's on the North bank- - - - - -sort of like the DMZ betweeen the Koreas.
Jerry

It will never happen but this is the best idea I've ever heard for fixing this problem. Seriously.

Razorbacker

bisley wrote: »

Rick Perry has repeatedly attempted to get the Feds to engage, and gotten lip service in return. Now, it's past time to take measures, locally, to defend the public. The governor has reveled in the popularity he has received for speaking out against the federal government's non-action on this issue.

Now, it is time to put up or shut up. He commands the National Guard, right up to the moment that the President formally 'nationalizes' it, and it is time to start using them as a state militia. This will force the Feds to commit, one way or the other - they can nationalize the National Guard against the governor, as Eisenhower did in 1959, when the Arkansas governor attempted to use them to keep the schools segregated, or they can accept the national outrage for their overt failure to enforce immigration laws that were made to protect our sovereign borders.

It's time for the border states to bring all this to a head, and this is the incident that should trigger that. I'm ready to see what Rick Perry is really made of. He has been a good politician for several years, by riding a wave of prosperity that he inherited and was smart enough to not screw it up- it's now time to see if he can be an effective governor.

Not to split hairs but it was 1957. There's a whole museum about it at Little Rock's Central High School. It was a DemocRat governor "standing in the schoolhouse door" btw. My older brother graduated from there. The governor's name was Faubus and he was up for reelection. Schools elsewhere around the state integrated with no drama. Oh, and Ike sent in the regular Army. Also, I don't know if it's true or not but the rumor is our section of I40 was the last finished to punish us for '57.

pjames777

centermass556 wrote: »

So I'm not smart on the ins and outs of the national guard.... But I thought this was what the national guard was for. Why doesn't Perry mobilize the 49th AD and send them to the boarder.

Posse Comitatus NG can't enforce laws....can't be armed for domestic law enforcement purposes....can't fire back....no Viagra either.

NRA

Someone hire me to protect the border, and give me full permission to solve the problems, my way. Give this job to any true American and just get out of the way. For goodness sakes.

I live in Nebraska, and they are transporting the (can't use the Rogers term for it here because of moderators) all the way up here. I don't want the little (again deleted) around me.

As a nation, we need to wake up.

bisley

Razorbacker wrote: »

Not to split hairs but it was 1957. There's a whole museum about it at Little Rock's Central High School. It was a DemocRat governor "standing in the schoolhouse door" btw. My older brother graduated from there. The governor's name was Faubus and he was up for reelection. Schools elsewhere around the state integrated with no drama. Oh, and Ike sent in the regular Army. Also, I don't know if it's true or not but the rumor is our section of I40 was the last finished to punish us for '57.

OK, I was going from memory, and I don't remember much from 1957, but I do remember seeing old film of the National Guard pulling out when the 101 Airborne rolled in.

Razorbacker

bisley wrote: »

OK, I was going from memory, and I don't remember much from 1957, but I do remember seeing old film of the National Guard pulling out when the 101 Airborne rolled in.

Oh sure and I wasn't picking on you. We've got enough nitpickers here without adding my name to the list.