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jaywapti
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My house today
jaywapti
Posts: 5,116 Senior Member
About 10:00 AM my dogs were barking like crazy in the side yard, so I opened the bathroom window and there was a face looking at me, not a foot away, grabbed my .44 rushed outside and stopped some guy, I ordered him to get on the ground or I would shoot him, I want you to know that I don't get rattled at times like this and at no time did I have the pistol cocked and my finger was not on the trigger, nor would I have shot him as he wasn't a threat to me or the wife. The guy sat on the ground while I called 911, he was a 17 year old HS student, no shirt or shoes and his face was cut up, he told me he was walking home from an all night party and had to take a pee, chose my yard cause of all the trees and bushes, I told him if he had just knocked on the door I would have known something was wrong and I would have taken him home, he lived 6mi. away. The LEOs got here, questioned him and I and I told them I wasn't going to press charges, his dad came and got him, and we had a long talk.
I'm may be old, but remember all the crap I pulled at his age, I think (hope) I did right by not pressing charges.
JAY
I'm may be old, but remember all the crap I pulled at his age, I think (hope) I did right by not pressing charges.
JAY
THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
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If all is as he said it was...sounds like you did just fine....well done...
After I gave the dispatcher my address and name she asked where the person was, I said sitting in my driveway, she asked why and I told her I had a pistol on him, I heard her tell the LEO " be advised homeowner has a gun" About one min. later the first LEO arrived and started questioning the kid, the 2ed LEO arrived. The first one then questioned me as to what happened I took him in the bathroom to show him where the kid was, he then asked where the gun was I said in my pocket unloaded he asked why and I told him I never hand a loaded weapon to anyone and had a CC and was an NRA instructor , he never asked to see the gun. He did ask if I would have shot him, I said no as he wasn't a threat. The rest is history
JAY
Jay, it sounds like you handled things very well, firm, no nonsense, but without over-reacting. Did the kid realize the seriousness of the situation he put himself into- - - -or maybe Dad, or both of them? When I was in Okinawa three of us caught a 16-year-old window-peeper getting an eyeful of one guy's wife taking a shower and held him for the cops on the second-story patio of our apartment building. When the local Okinawan police arrived, one of them walked up the stairway, put a foot in the kid's back, and delivered him to his partner waiting at the foot of the stairs. They tossed the guy into the back of the patrol car and drove away. We never heard another word about the incident.
Jerry
Florida, like a lot of other states, has laws that make sense. If you don't live in one of those states with SENSIBLE CASTLE DOCTRINE LAWS, then maybe you should move to one that does.
Jay, sounds like you done good, and I'll bet the kid has a fresh perspective of how not to act in the future.
― Douglas Adams
What I didn't say before was I never actually never pointed the gun at him, he was scared enough just seeing me hold it. When it all started I was at the "ready" as I didn't know if he was armed or how many were outside. I told Jen to stay inside, armed , until I had it under control, of course she didn't, came out another door with her gun, then went back inside when the LEO arrived.
JAY
And I agree, Jay did well, very well. He successfully defended his family and home, and apprehended and held the perpetrator, all without bloodshed. I merely pointed out that in many states, especially in the Northeast or Illinois, what he did might have gotten him in trouble, especially if the local D.A. is more progressive than sane.
I live in AZ, there is no friendlier state to firearms, and we enjoy 'castle,' 'stand your ground,' and constitutional carry. I just worry about our brethren in the firearms community, who responsibly keep, bear, and use firearms who may not be so lucky.
Good job Jay! Book 'em, Danno!
Agree on both points. Jay apparently did just the right thing.
In many anti-gun cities, the main hangup is if you haven't a permit to carry, even in anti-gun NYC, Bernard Goetz was charged with illegal possession of an unlicensed handgun, he was not charged for the actual shooting, he was also stupid he turned himself in, he was in no danger of getting caught according to the police.
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BC, There are still a lot of places that are the same as they were in the 40 - 50s, places that us "crackers" still call home.
JAY
I doubt his story, especially since he was a foot away from you at your bathroom window, but it's my nature to be suspicious. Without charging him with being a Peeping Tom, no other charge to press. Anyway, if that was the case, maybe you turned him away from a life of peeping. If he was just taking a leak, no harm, no foul. I agree you did the right thing.
Ya did good.
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Wow. Just completely turn this positive LEO encounter/citizen property defense story into a passive aggressive commentary to bash LEOs as a whole because of your contempt.
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:that: The story seems too pat, but what else can you do with no other evidence?
As Bream stated, thankfully, not all states have idiotic laws and it's a good idea to avoid those that do. My own state is getting better, but it's been a fight...:silly:
George Carlin
Even with all the bad press about LEOs/SWAT/Militarization lately, I'm an optimist and think most cops try and do the right thing.....I used to think about 99% do, but I'm at about 90% now.
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I think horse's commentary was just fine and I didn't see anything suspect about it at all. I think it's you who overreacted, dude. And misinterpreted the whole passive-aggressive thing as well.
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Florida is a very pro 2ed amend. state. Most of the LEOs I've met weather city, county , or state are in favor of CCW and armed homeowners.
Maybe you should move to Fla.
JAY
Its my nature also to be suspicious, but a 1/2 blind idiot could see from a distance that my bathroom windows are opaque glass and you cant see thru them. He did pee on the side of the house, I washed it off, Next time I'll leave it so you can come down here see it and smell it for yourself, and before you ask we searched for his stash and there was none. This was just a kid that didn't use common sense.
JAY
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
No challenge just told it the way it was.
JAY
When I first read Gene's post, his words, "I doubt his story"...... I thought he was talking about Jay's story at first. It took me rereading his post to realize he was talking about doubting the KID'S story. Not Jay's.
I just thought that maybe Jay had the same misinterpretation and perhaps that's the source of Jay's response.
You seemed to be trying to second guess what happened, if I hurt your feelings, I'm sorry.
JAY
That is how I took it. If Gene meant it about the kid, than I jumped the gun, sometimes I have a hair trigger.
JAY
It is hard to say how any of us would have reacted to the situation, responses can be totally different from what you plan to do in a given situation.
Jay did the right thing, the cop did the right thing and hopefully the kid will start doing the right things in the future.
WIN WIN situation and possible WIN in the future.
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
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