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  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,583 Senior Member
    Elk creek wrote: »
    Be nice,polite, cordial and smile, but have a plan to eliminate ANY threat they may pose with extreme prejudice!

    Basically.

    Who are often the first people to sympathize with anyone's agenda? My money would be on persons of the same culture. I'm not saying round them up and herd them into camps, but keep an eye on them.

    Profiling works. The most common of which is the behavioral profile. And guess what? Like-cultured people often fit the same behavioral profile as others in their culture AND pepole of the same culture tend to LOOK the same too. Weird, right?

    If Japan was our problem I would watch Japanese folks... If Zimbabwe was our problem I would watch African folks... Etc. Etc.

    The good people will rise out of the turmoil.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Under a logPosts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Of the rifles you mentioned in your original post, only thing I'd suggest to go along with them besides ammunition is some spare parts, just in case. Never know when a part will go bad, and it's nice to know you have spares just in case. Another reason to have spare parts for the foreign made ones is our fickle government. Spare parts can dry up quick due to new import restrictions; once the government bans import there is a HUGE rush to buy spare parts and they disappear quickly. For the M1A and Garand a spare trigger group and op rod would be good to have. And if you watch places like SARCO they have complete parts kits less stock and receiver occasionally for reasonable prices.

    That drying up of parts 'n' ammo is happening now because of sanctions against Russia, and because of new ammo restrictions on some FMJ ammunition. 5.45x39 7N6 ammunition was banned from import in April this year.

    http://www.libertyfederation.com/atf_import_ban_on_russian_made_7n6_5_45x39_military_surplus_ammo

    The reason is simple and in the above link. Someone offered 5.45x39 chambered AK pistols, and the ATF went bugnutz.
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  • mohicanmohican Member Posts: 381 Member
    JasonMPD wrote: »
    If you can honestly tell me that when you see two middle-eastern men between 18 and 30 years old whispering to each other in a crowded mall while looking around at people that you don't feel even the slightest hint of suspicion, then maybe I will buy what I quoted you saying...

    That has nothing to do with what I said. But you are correct, and profiling is a valuable tool.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    Yes, but later.

    Example: Nazi Germany had a treaty with the Soviet Union, while they were busy blitzkrieging Europe. Supposedly, they would leave some of eastern Europe and half of Poland for them while they subdued England and France. As soon as it became apparent that England was in for the long haul, they backed off the offensive on them and instead broke the treaty with the USSR, and attacked them.

    Socialism, in all of its various forms, including fascism, is held together by clever propaganda that promises Utopia, magnifies the flaws in capitalism, and low-rates individual freedom. Socialists, like radical Islamists, believe that the end justifies the means, and that alliances can be made or dissolved, at will, with anyone, if it advances the greater cause.

    Hey My Texas Bro, you knocked it outta da park again! Great read. You need to start selling this stuff!

    Edited to Add: And also you're right on here too!
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned HoustonPosts: 10,923 Senior Member
    JasonMPD wrote: »
    I'm sorry, but I think you like making fun of this because it's in your nature and for no other reason. I think it's pretty clear you hold your nose up at anyone who doesn't just chug right along with societal norms.

    Aren't you in your 70s? Haven't you seen several presidencies both Democrat and Republican? Haven't you observed how with each leftist president we get they just compound the terrible crap the last one left behind?

    If you think society can't collapse--even in isolated instances--talk to the citizens of Ferguson, Missouri or New Orleans, Louisiana circa 2004. You are out of your mind if you think nothing will ever happen.

    Meteor insurance? I think you've said that 9 times in your last few posts. Wasn't funny the first time.

    Socialists, fascists, Marxists and the like have dictated over and murdered FAR FAR more people than meteors have. So no, I'm prepping for socialists infinitely more than meteors.

    Local and temporary crises do occur, which is why I've got a few days' water and food. flashlights, batteries, and of course guns & ammo, should a major hurricane hit Houston. Such preparation only makes sense.

    Ferguson Missouri? Gimme a break. Some looting and chaos in the downtown area. I've lived very comfortably through similar, such as the riots that broke out when MLK was killed. I was living in KC at the time and certain areas, mostly black populated, erupted in rioting. And duh, I stayed away from that area, exactly as you might avoid an area that was flooded following a big storm. And all thru those riots I went to work every day. And in fact, a pal I worked with, a black guy, was scared to go home so he camped over at my apartment for a couple days.

    Localized disruption of things is something that I find totally reasonable to prepare for. As in hurricane. And when I live in SanFran, earthquakes.

    But yes I DO equate the "danger" of total societal collapse with meteorite insurance, because I put them on the same scale of probability and take no precautions for either.

    When I made the comic analogy of meteorite strike insurance I was being serious. I equate that chance precisely with the chance of societal collapse. The fact that you thought it wasn't funny points to the issue, that you honestly do believe that "the big one" is imminent.

    Yes I've lived thru Democrat and Republican presidents and I also fondly remember disaster predicted when a Roman Catholic was elected, and when Reagan was elected, and Nixon, and Carter, and Bushes, and Obama. I also remember many, many disasters predicted (huge overall collapse disasters) and guess what? Nuttin' happened.

    Just don't forget to wear your meteorite protection helmet when you go outside, and also be sure to wear that foil brain protector under it. Just remember, shiny side out!

    And no, I don't look under my bed each night to see if Obama's lurking there, either. Haw.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned HoustonPosts: 10,923 Senior Member
    mohican wrote: »
    He also has not responded to the reminder that in some recent times of emergency, government people did use the emergency as a pretext to confiscate weapons. Also, if a President states he has an affinity for Lincoln and FDR (which Obama has stated) then he is familiar with the abuses of power those two used. FDR thought nothing of rounding up Japanese Americans. US citizens with German Last names all of a sudden felt the need to speak English, start wearing long pants and send their kids to "English" schools.

    By "he" I assume you meant me? Yeah, I know all about that stuff. And being a lifelong Republican and coming from a long line of Republicans, I admire Lincoln, too.

    But yeah, back only a few years, "my people" were indeed rounded up and sent away, never to return. My family name has 3 pages in the Shoah (Holocaust) registry.

    So, sure, these things have happened.

    What I do not believe is that they will happen again. Sorry. I also don't think we're gonna see witch dunkings anytime soon. And I also don't keep a watch out for those grey aliens, and they're the worst!
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    And I also don't keep a watch out for those grey aliens, and they're the worst!
    No kidding! At least the green ones lubricate the probe first.

    Sam-- thinking about it, you do have a good point. Japan at its worst had a couple of nukes dropped on it-- there never was a complete breakdown of society. The same goes for Germany at the end of WWII. Eastern Germany went from fascist straight over to communist and most of the society remained intact. Short of a huge global natural disaster, I don't think there is anything that could break down societies to such an extent.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Under a logPosts: 27,457 Senior Member
    If/when the Yellowstone super volcano erupts again it will be enough to cause a breakdown in society in the Northern hemisphere. 2/3 of the lower 48 would be affected by the ash cloud. As volcanic eruption prediction is still not all that and a bag of chips, it's a possibility. And earthquake activity is on an uptick this year in Yellowstone.

    http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/observatories/yvo/
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    horselips wrote: »
    I'm going the other way right now - just sold my CETME and my Yugo 59/66 SKS. Offers I couldn't refuse. But, from owning a bazillion black rifles and such over the last half century, I can advise you this - don't buy anything unless somebody has made an under $10 magazine loader/unloader for it. Your thumbs and fingers will thank you. CDNN sells an excellent dual-lever magazine loader/unloader for AK47 (7.62x39) and AR15 (5.56x45) magazines for around $7. Stick with rifles that take either of those magazines and you'll live happily ever after. Otherwise, buy a box of band-aids. Sooner or later...

    That advice is good for you Mr Ed, look in the mirror and convince yourself!

    I like guns, and only a lack of funds prevents me.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Quote Originally Posted by horselips View Post
    I'm going the other way right now - just sold my CETME and my Yugo 59/66 SKS. Offers I couldn't refuse. But, from owning a bazillion black rifles and such over the last half century, I can advise you this - don't buy anything unless somebody has made an under $10 magazine loader/unloader for it. Your thumbs and fingers will thank you. CDNN sells an excellent dual-lever magazine loader/unloader for AK47 (7.62x39) and AR15 (5.56x45) magazines for around $7. Stick with rifles that take either of those magazines and you'll live happily ever after. Otherwise, buy a box of band-aids. Sooner or later...
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    That advice is good for you Mr Ed, look in the mirror and convince yourself!

    I like guns, and only a lack of funds prevents me.

    Horse are you saying you sold good guns because loading the magazines hurt yer fingers? I've heard of folks selling for reasons like:

    Need $$$$
    Wrong Caliber
    To buy another
    Not accurate enough
    Just didn't like the make or how it felt
    Moving
    Thinning the Herd
    Too many different calibers, wanted to simplify things

    And many more, but never because loading the magazines was a PITA.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    [QUOTE=Big Chief;391955
    Horse are you saying you sold good guns because loading the magazines hurt yer fingers? I've heard of folks selling for reasons like:

    Need $$$$
    Wrong Caliber
    To buy another
    Not accurate enough
    Just didn't like the make or how it felt
    Moving
    Thinning the Herd
    Too many different calibers, wanted to simplify things

    And many more, but never because loading the magazines was a PITA.[/QUOTE]

    Chief -Like I said, offers I couldn't refuse. I sold the SKS for over 3 times what I paid for it, and the CETME for almost twice. It was one big deal to the same buyer. I liked both of them very much, and magazine loading had nothing to do with either sale. I still own a Saiga carbine in .223, and as far as I can tell, nobody makes a really cheap mag loader for Saiga mags. I really, really love that Saiga, but I refuse to pay Magula or Uplula prices.

    I love new guns. I have no problem selling a weapon to buy something I haven't owned, or haven't owned in years and want to own again. And because none of my relatives died in the right order, my budget is very limited. Very often, something goes before something new comes. Right now, I have a hankering for an FN49 (again), and another Luger (again), so it was adios to the SKS and CETME. Se la vie.
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    About 90% of my guns are antiques WW1 and older. My value is historic not monetary although they have increased in value far above purchase price. I do have an unfired Chinese SKS with a never installed 30 round fixed magazine. I think it would serve me about as well as a semi auto AK-47 if ever needed.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned HoustonPosts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    No kidding! At least the green ones lubricate the probe first.

    Sam-- thinking about it, you do have a good point. Japan at its worst had a couple of nukes dropped on it-- there never was a complete breakdown of society. The same goes for Germany at the end of WWII. Eastern Germany went from fascist straight over to communist and most of the society remained intact. Short of a huge global natural disaster, I don't think there is anything that could break down societies to such an extent.

    Agreed. But I may be wrong and I often am, as those here who are my "faithful watchers" will quickly point out, ha ha.

    But I simply do not believe that there will be any type of total societal breakdown or "Obama rampant" seizures of our guns, or anything similar. I'm pretty cognizant of politics and world affairs, and I just don't see such occurring in several lifetimes.

    Now those who see Obama under the bed and similar, and are prepping for the big one, go ahead and have fun collecting firearms and such. Enjoying owning a bunch of nice guns is keen, and they're always a good investment for resale, or just for having and collecting. Go for it. Just don't delude yourselves that the EWOKS (or whatever alphabet soup is the rage now to describe the big one) will happen, 'cause it won't. And years after this, you'll remember that goofy guy in the gun forum who said that it ain't gonna happen, and you'll realize that he was right. But you'll still have the fun of owning a buncha nice guns, so it's no great loss.

    Yeah, a major type of natural catastrophe could occur, like the Yellowstone caldera erupting (in 30k years) or being hit by a Torino Level Nine meteor shower, sure. Then it would be like Cormac McCarthy's "The Road" and total chaos would rule. That could happen, true.

    It's just that the mathematical chance of such occurring is, as I said previously, so low that it approaches zero as a limit. In short, zero or so near as no nevermind.

    About the same chance as being hit on the head by that naggy little meteorite, in which case that helmet you guys wear any time you go outdoors will be of benefit. Then you can post your experience on the forum here, including the helmet showing the dent. Lucky you!

    Years ago, near where my parents lived, there was this pretty eccentric guy who totally believed in UFOs and that "they" were soon to arrive in large numbers. We'd often see him walking along the street, then about every 100 feet, he'd stop and look around himself, studying the skies, to see if a UFO was zipping along nearby. He'd scan horizon to horizon, then start walking again, and again pause for yet another look-see.

    Once time Dad asked him whether he'd ever actually seen a UFO. "No," the guy replied, "But you never know. Someday I might."

    Same thing. Just watch out for them grey aliens, gang!
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Under a logPosts: 27,457 Senior Member
    So, Sam, you have some special powers that let you know AS A VERIFIABLE FACT that the Yellowstone super volcano will not erupt until 30K years from now. That there is some special superpower. Volcanologists could surely use that special power. Would have come in handy when Mt. St. Helens pitched a fit. To speak with such assured knowledge when the tilting of the caldera is increasing and the magma chamber expanding speaks to great mental foresight. Have you contacted the USGS to offer your services?
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  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    So, Sam, you have some special powers that let you know AS A VERIFIABLE FACT that the Yellowstone super volcano will not erupt until 30K years from now. That there is some special superpower.

    Sam's real close - to be exact we're looking at 28,262 years. Working on the exact date now....bear with me...
  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,249 Senior Member
    Its like Alpha's sig line, being prepared is smart, having ten years worth of toilet paper is crazy. Yellowstone, comet impact, Mt Rainier, none of us can predict with any kind of certainty that one of these isn't going to happen tomorrow, ten years from now or a thousand years from now. To go blithely along saying that any of the above can't happen is like the ten years of toilet paper.
    The fire service needs a "culture of extinguishment not safety" Ray McCormack FDNY
  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Colorado!Posts: 7,719 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    If/when the Yellowstone super volcano erupts again it will be enough to cause a breakdown in society in the Northern hemisphere. 2/3 of the lower 48 would be affected by the ash cloud. As volcanic eruption prediction is still not all that and a bag of chips, it's a possibility. And earthquake activity is on an uptick this year in Yellowstone.

    http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/observatories/yvo/
    As an upshot we will just be on the edge od the dead zone here.. We'll be fine;-)
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned HoustonPosts: 10,923 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    So, Sam, you have some special powers that let you know AS A VERIFIABLE FACT that the Yellowstone super volcano will not erupt until 30K years from now. That there is some special superpower. Volcanologists could surely use that special power. Would have come in handy when Mt. St. Helens pitched a fit. To speak with such assured knowledge when the tilting of the caldera is increasing and the magma chamber expanding speaks to great mental foresight. Have you contacted the USGS to offer your services?

    Nope. I'll let Jesse Ventura do that. Incidentally, St. Helens was very well monitored by experts and they correctly predicted the imminent eruption. Quite a few people ignored the warning and died. Again, the Darwin Factor.

    I'm however yet to see any predictions of an imminent eruption of the entire Yellowstone caldera. Last time I checked, experts don't see anything bubbling up that might cause any concern. I seem to remember their saying maybe sometime in the next few thousand years, and I just plugged in 30k as a fun date.

    If however you've got a link to a genuine threat concern about a pending major eruption, it's thus far escaped my attention. Please post it asap, okay?

    But my general point is this: Concern that Obama is "coming for our guns" is just scat talk. I put it into the same category as worrying about the Yellowstone caldera erupting next week. Ain't gonna happen.

    However... If anyone here really thinks that the gummint is on track for the seizure of our guns, you better quickly log off this G&A forum and rapidly switch your internet links. Because if "it" happens, first step will be to grab NRA membership lists, and all pro-gun forum IDs so that the shock troops will know where to strike first.

    If you really really do believe this BS about an imminent threat, you (not you personally, tenn, but the "group" you) had best make tracks and cover any internet links that might lead them to your lair.

    Bye.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,766 Senior Member
    I don't know about the Yellowstone blowing up, but definitely (a) the sky is falling, and (b) the zombie apocalypse is upon us.

    If the world blew up, where would you get food? Instead of storing a lot of ammo, you should be squirreling food. Can't live long on .223.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    Just wait until the Gov't checks start bouncing and there are 50 million food stamp recipients with zero balance on their EDP cards.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • samzheresamzhere Banned HoustonPosts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    I don't know about the Yellowstone blowing up, but definitely (a) the sky is falling, and (b) the zombie apocalypse is upon us.

    If the world blew up, where would you get food? Instead of storing a lot of ammo, you should be squirreling food. Can't live long on .223.

    Well, the idea being that with a gun you can get the food that other people stuck away. But it wouldn't be pretty, and frankly if there is some sort of major catastrophe (environmental, such as a huge meteor strike, like Torino 8 or 9) then I don't wanna be here.

    As I've recommended, those who wanna know what it would really be like, read Cormac McCarthy's "The Road" (or see the movie, a faithful adaptation). Sure, it's fantasy and essentially SF in a way, but the results of catastrophe are pretty accurate, as I see it. And yes, there would be enclaves of survivalists here and there but those wouldn't last too long. No matter how well armed, a dozen ensconced survivors wouldn't hold out against, oh, 200 armed invaders.

    Insofar as the zombie apocalypse? No biggie. It's the ghost shark ninja grey alien apocalypse that scares me!
  • samzheresamzhere Banned HoustonPosts: 10,923 Senior Member
    This discussion makes me want to buy more guns. But nearly every discussion here makes me want to buy more guns. :-)


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    A very valid point. I kinda want to buy more guns and I don't even believe in the apocalypse. Just havin' 'em is a good idea, regardless.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member East TexasPosts: 10,815 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    ...Japan at its worst had a couple of nukes dropped on it-- there never was a complete breakdown of society. The same goes for Germany at the end of WWII. Eastern Germany went from fascist straight over to communist and most of the society remained intact. Short of a huge global natural disaster, I don't think there is anything that could break down societies to such an extent.

    Some differences here.

    Both Japan and Germany were very well-ordered societies with not a lot of ethnic and economic diversity. The populace was already hardened by a decade of the Great Depression, followed closely thereafter by the horror of being saturation bombed, for months, or years. Also, both were conditioned to accept hardships by authoritarian governments who never let them forget that their first duty was to the state.

    Contrast that to a melting pot society whose government has pretty well established minority rule against the will of the majority, encourages them not to work, tries to foment racial tension at every turn, and preaches daily to them that the government is their momma and daddy. There is no way of knowing what damage that a couple months of civil unrest could do in a major city, where many thousands of people would be depending on 911 to come to their aid. Our people are in about the third generation of unbridled prosperity, and most are completely ignorant of what it is like to do without a meal or electricity and water for several days.

    Sure, some of us would make out OK, but how many wouldn't, and how many of those would panic and start trying to prey on the weak ones? It would be different in every location, and could be very bad in some of them.
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