Ebola is here

BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior MemberPosts: 4,278 Senior Member
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/30/health/ebola-us/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

First case found in Dallas. Wonder how many this person contaminated.
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,589 Senior Member
    Warning: Auto-play video!

    Captain Trips!
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,728 Senior Member
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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,687 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Warning: Auto-play video!

    Captain Trips!


    I really don't get the gist of your post but I hope you're not making light of this. I've been keeping up with most of the info that I can find about this ebola outbreak and it has the potential of being the new black plague. That one person in Dallas could eventually be the cause of hundreds if not thousands of deaths. It has already caused over three thousand deaths and it likely started with one person a little over a month ago.
    snake284 wrote: »
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  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 4,724 Senior Member
    Every time some third world country gets some disease, and then a case or two shows up in America, the press gets all apocalyptic.
    H5N1, mad cow, H1N1, SARS, chronic wasting, ad nauseam.

    Yawn.
    The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

    Ayn Rand
  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 5,751 Senior Member
    Well here we go, body fluid protocols are a MUST! Stay safe guys in Texas,
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  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 4,724 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Captain Trips!


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    The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,278 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    I really don't get the gist of your post but I hope you're not making light of this. I've been keeping up with most of the info that I can find about this ebola outbreak and it has the potential of being the new black plague. That one person in Dallas could eventually be the cause of hundreds if not thousands of deaths. It has already caused over three thousand deaths and it likely started with one person a little over a month ago.

    I didn't get it either. It worries me also. I have a sister and daughter that work in a hospital, another that works in a lab that gets samples from all over the world. Of course it's probably just like buying meteor insurance.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    The stuff bad movies are made of. This fellow came here from Africa to visit family. My question is why was he let in without more screening and why would his family even let him come visit from there right now?

    Wonder how the folks on his flight(s) feel right now? In the Dallas hospital where he went for treatment, then left and came back later. They say he probably wasn't contagious yet while flying...........I dunno. They then said a doctor in Africa said none of his patients had it, then he died from it.

    I'm not overly concerned about it, but think folks who may come in contact with possible carriers need to take precautions and get checked out.
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,101 Senior Member
    Captain Trips = pandemic from Steven King's "The Stand."
    Overkill is underrated.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,055 Senior Member
    CaliFFL wrote: »
    Every time some third world country gets some disease, and then a case or two shows up in America, the press gets all apocalyptic.
    H5N1, mad cow, H1N1, SARS, chronic wasting, ad nauseam.

    Yawn.

    This...unless you are coming into contact with the body fluids of an infected person...it's just not an issue to worry about...

    This is the upside to to living in a rural environment and only having occasional contact with people in general...

    Hint...use disinfectant wipes on shopping cart handles when you absolutely,positively HAVE to go to Wal Mart....
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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,278 Senior Member
    Stuff happens when you work in hospitals. My daughter got exposed to AIDS blood a yr or so ago, thank GOD she has tested negative every month since but stuff happens.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »

    Hint...use disinfectant wipes on shopping cart handles when you absolutely,positively HAVE to go to Wal Mart....

    For shopping carts in general, also use the disinfectant wipes on the flip down plastic seat thingy for babies to sit on with their legs sticking out the back of the cart. Those brown stains aren't from a leaky half gallon of chocolate ice cream. :fan: :vomit:

    The Ebola virus is carried by animals over there, mostly bats and monkeys, if I understand it correctly. Not like we don't have bats here. And that sewage and bodily fluids that make into the sewage system may not get treated enough to kill the bacteria. Bats got to drink, too, and so do other animals. I know that I don't know what I don't know. But it's something to think about.
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  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,457 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    I really don't get the gist of your post but I hope you're not making light of this. I've been keeping up with most of the info that I can find about this ebola outbreak and it has the potential of being the new black plague. That one person in Dallas could eventually be the cause of hundreds if not thousands of deaths. It has already caused over three thousand deaths and it likely started with one person a little over a month ago.


    Not likely. The virus is spread through direct contact with bodily fluids from an infected person. Even hanging around in the airborne petri dish that commercial airplanes are, it's highly unlikely that any transmission of the disease could have occurred, let alone would have occurred.

    Treat this 'outbreak' like AIDS. So long as you don't...you know...you're going to be just fine!
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,055 Senior Member
    BAMAAK wrote: »
    Stuff happens when you work in hospitals. My daughter got exposed to AIDS blood a yr or so ago, thank GOD she has tested negative every month since but stuff happens.

    I understand that working in a hospital setting increases one's risk....however, in the last decade or so, the use and disposal of things like sharps and other bio-hazards has improved vastly...even working in the relatively chaotic environment of an ambulance isn't as risky as you might think as long as you use appropriate universal precautions...HIV patients never really scared me...HEP C patients on the other hand were an altogether different critter...
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,589 Senior Member
    CaliFFL wrote: »
    Baby can you dig your man?
    Someone who gets it!

    No, I'm not taking it lightly although it probably isn't the real life "Captain Trips".
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    CDC boss says we shouldn't isolate that part of the world and try to stop it at it's source, I agree, but then says we shouldn't stop travel from those countries. Well yes we should except for health care folks.

    Wonder if he thinks it is so easy to contain if he visited the Dallas hospital where the patient with Ebola is, how many layers of protective clothing and suits would he be wearing?
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,687 Senior Member
    coolgunguy wrote: »
    Not likely. The virus is spread through direct contact with bodily fluids from an infected person. Even hanging around in the airborne petri dish that commercial airplanes are, it's highly unlikely that any transmission of the disease could have occurred, let alone would have occurred.

    Treat this 'outbreak' like AIDS. So long as you don't...you know...you're going to be just fine!


    So you're suggesting that the missionaries that contracted the virus were doing..."you know"... with the locals?
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    So you're suggesting that the missionaries that contracted the virus were doing..."you know"... with the locals?

    Ebony and Ivory................:jester: :devil:
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,101 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    So you're suggesting that the missionaries that contracted the virus were doing..."you know"... with the locals?
    They probably got it through treating the locals, washing them, that sort of thing. That's why so many family members get it. Evidently Ebola patients are kinda "leaky."
    Overkill is underrated.
  • BuffcoBuffco Senior Member Posts: 6,244 Senior Member
    A white missionary had been serving an African tribe for a couple of years when one of the women gave birth to a white child. The African tribe leader was FURIOUS and approached the missionary to kill him.

    The missionary protested that the child wasn't his, and tried to explain to the tribe leader the theories of genetics and mutations. "For example," he said, "Look at your flock of sheep grazing over there. Now, all of your sheep are white, but you see that one gave birth to a black lamb last week."

    The tribe leader quieted down and whispered, "OK look, you don't say anything about the sheep and I'll keep quiet about the baby."
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,055 Senior Member
    As I suspected, a report on the news confirmed that it is a common practice in the outbreak areas for "healthcare workers" to wash and dry "disposable" protective gear in order to get multiple uses out of it...improper use of single-use protective gear will certainly lead to infections of health care workers. Proper use of protective gear requires a HUGE supply line and creates a HUGE amount of bio-hazard waste...
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Well, news said he told them at the hospital his first visit he was just in from Africa................well DUH maybe that should have set off some alarms??????
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Buffco wrote: »
    A white missionary had been serving an African tribe for a couple of years when one of the women gave birth to a white child. The African tribe leader was FURIOUS and approached the missionary to kill him.

    The missionary protested that the child wasn't his, and tried to explain to the tribe leader the theories of genetics and mutations. "For example," he said, "Look at your flock of sheep grazing over there. Now, all of your sheep are white, but you see that one gave birth to a black lamb last week."

    The tribe leader quieted down and whispered, "OK look, you don't say anything about the sheep and I'll keep quiet about the baby."

    Now that is funny Buffy, don't care who you are :tooth::roll2::roll2::roll2:
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,457 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    So you're suggesting that the missionaries that contracted the virus were doing..."you know"... with the locals?

    As a husband/father whose family members have gone on missions trips, no, I most emphatically do not suggest that. Caring for an ebola patient is a messy business at it's best and things are rarely if ever 'at their best' concerning ebola. Projectile expulsion of body fluids (vomit, feces, sweat, blood, and various other emissions) is the new normal.
    They probably got it through treating the locals, washing them, that sort of thing. That's why so many family members get it. Evidently Ebola patients are kinda "leaky."
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    As I suspected, a report on the news confirmed that it is a common practice in the outbreak areas for "healthcare workers" to wash and dry "disposable" protective gear in order to get multiple uses out of it...improper use of single-use protective gear will certainly lead to infections of health care workers. Proper use of protective gear requires a HUGE supply line and creates a HUGE amount of bio-hazard waste...


    :that: :agree:
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,101 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    As I suspected, a report on the news confirmed that it is a common practice in the outbreak areas for "healthcare workers" to wash and dry "disposable" protective gear in order to get multiple uses out of it...improper use of single-use protective gear will certainly lead to infections of health care workers. Proper use of protective gear requires a HUGE supply line and creates a HUGE amount of bio-hazard waste...
    I think that part of the reason they reuse that stuff is a combination of minimal supply and poor disposal facilities. Sad but true...
    Overkill is underrated.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 7,038 Senior Member
    CaliFFL wrote: »
    Every time some third world country gets some disease, and then a case or two shows up in America, the press gets all apocalyptic.
    H5N1, mad cow, H1N1, SARS, chronic wasting, ad nauseam.

    Indeed. So many things with the potential promise to clear up the traffic on the 405. Ain't one of 'em delivered yet.

    Aside from things like thinking antibiotics will cure viral diseases, folks in nations outside the third world seem to have a pretty good understanding of disease vectors, and it has the media capability to get specific education out there in a hurry. We might get a few outbreaks, but pretty easily squashed if the local guy with a bone through his nose isn't seen as the first line of defense.
    WWJMBD?

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  • N320AWN320AW Senior Member Posts: 648 Senior Member
    When I learned that two doctors, who had contracted Ebola, were being transported from Africa to the U.S. it gave me pause. Now, it is reported that an anonymous person in Texas has entered a hospital with this deadly virus.

    I have considered the news over the past year and it doesn't seem good. I cancelled my information coverage 8 years ago (CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, Reuters) because I got tired of watching commercials! TV that is.

    Now I wake up to internet coverage, of those same news sources. All I see each morning is what I would call negative news items. Almost no news is positive. It seems every news source accentuates the NEGATIVE aspects of our world on a continuing basis. If this is there way of gathering viewers . . . more power to them. I'm not one of them!

    For the past year or more, I have had a strange feeling in my gut. I cannot explain what it is, but it is a kind of feeling of a foreboding. It seems to me there is something happening in our world that is not quite right. I wish I could articulate what I mean, but it is difficult to do. It would easy to say something like "Isis is coming" or something like that, but that doesn't satisfy my thoughts.

    I truly believe, as many do, the United States of America is at a crossroads. Sure, President Obama is the prime target, but I say there is much more to this crisis. At the top of the pile, not Congress or the Senate, is the American people. We Americans have the opportunity to vote for our representatives. This is not a privilege to be taken easily. Vote for what you feel is right . . . !

    Any and all comments welcome. Is the U.S. going down the tubes?

    .
  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,508 Senior Member
    101st is going to Liberia to help guard clinics and to facilitate the building of clinics and infectious disease treatment centers.

    AFRICOM was wanted into Liberia to get after their oil and gems for years now.
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  • BuffcoBuffco Senior Member Posts: 6,244 Senior Member
    Ahh, remember the days of yesteryear when all we got was positive news?

    .... Me neither. Yes Ebola is here and is spreading rapidly. I had a touch of it last week. Some Robitusson cured that right up.
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,687 Senior Member
    From what I've read by the World Health Organization, the outbreak was noticed in March with 49 cases and 29 deaths in Guinea and now it's up to 6574 cases and counting with 3091 deaths and counting. They claim that there are five more cases every hour. The dipstick that flew to Dallas went around visiting relatives knowing that he was exposed to the disease and now they have around eighty people to screen for it along with disinfecting a couple of schools that his relatives go to. He claims that two days before he flew to the US, he helped a woman sick with the virus get to a hospital. Considering that there really isn't a cure and over half the people that contract the disease will die, I would rather be overly cautious than complacent.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
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