Ebola is here

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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,277 Senior Member
    If this idiot lives, they should throw him in jail for knowingly importing this crap. If someone gets sick and dies, try him for murder.
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  • BuffcoBuffco Senior Member Posts: 6,244 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    Considering that there really isn't a cure and over half the people that contract the disease will die, I would rather be overly cautious than complacent.

    I wonder what the stats are for this disease in the western world?

    Anybody heard any news about the two Americans that were flown back to Atlanta? I'm assuming they survived, else we would have heard about it non stop on the 24 hour news cycle.

    The guy in Texas is still alive and I'm assuming has the same chance of survival as the two in Atlanta... If so, that's three for three... Ebola is starting to sound less scary by the day although the media would have us believe other wise...

    Certainly to native Africans in the bush this disease is the death bringer. But I'm still not worried about us here in this country.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,050 Senior Member
    AFRICOM was wanted into Liberia to get after their oil and germs for years now.
    FIFY
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    I wonder why the hospital sent him home with ineffective antibiotics his first visit? Stupidity after they knew where he had been/came from.............lack of insurance/financial concerns unless Obama care is available in Africa?
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,050 Senior Member
    BAMAAK wrote: »
    If this idiot lives, they should throw him in jail for knowingly importing this crap. If someone gets sick and dies, try him for murder.

    Operative word.

    Probably ought to publicly flog the folks who KNEW he was visiting from Liberia, was showing symptoms, prescribed antibiotics for a viral condition and sent him back out into the public....He should have went from the ER into a containment unit immediately....
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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,686 Senior Member
    The guy in Dallas is the first case ever diagnosed in the US. There have been five other cases treated in the US with four surviving and one still being treated. All of this is according to here.

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/health-care/what-is-the-ebola-virus-survival-rate-and-other-key-questions-about-the-epidemic-20140930
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Now Liberia says it will arrest and prosecute the man in Dallas for lying about having been in contact with an infected person when asked before flying.
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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,277 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Now Liberia says it will arrest and prosecute the man in Dallas for lying about having been in contact with an infected person when asked before flying.

    That's great, now he has reason to ask for asylum.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,277 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    Operative word.

    Probably ought to publicly flog the folks who KNEW he was visiting from Liberia, was showing symptoms, prescribed antibiotics for a viral condition and sent him back out into the public....He should have went from the ER into a containment unit immediately....


    He admitted to helping transport a women with it two days before he left. You think he didn't know? Probably left because of it, knew he would likely die there but maybe not here.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

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  • 1965Jeff1965Jeff Senior Member Posts: 1,611 Senior Member
    When there is no running / potable water supply it is hard to clean up yourself or any equipment you have in the areas where this virus is killing people. The current administration's reaction to this disaster likens its similar response to ISIS and how it is dealing with that crisis.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,050 Senior Member
    The only way to keep that stuff in Africa is for US to ban travel to and from the region of the world until the virus burns itself out. Allowing the affected countries to determine who can move about is completely ineffective.... based simply on the region of the world this guy came from, he never should have been allowed to get on a plane....regardless of whether he filled out a form or not....

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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,050 Senior Member
    One of the problems dealing with this is the typical liberal/progressive mindset....if anything is going to kill us...that will be it.
    Dealing with an outbreak of infectious disease requires setting hard lines...something your average progresso/lib isn't good at.

    I recall working through an exercise scenario that involved a very bad bug....the Union was telling us there were all sorts of things we "couldn't do"....like screening at building entrances and turning away obviously sick employees. When people are dropping dead their concern was that we couldn't force them to use sick leave....
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    The kids that had contact with him are still going to school. The CDC is supposed to quarantine such people by law. But I guess they don't want to do anything non PC.

    Presidential Documents
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    Federal Register
    / Vol. 68, No. 68 / Wednesday, April 9, 2003 / Presidential Documents
    Executive Order 13295 of April 4, 2003
    Revised List of Quarantinable Communicable Diseases
    By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the
    laws of the United States of America, including section 361(b) of the Public
    Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 264(b)), it is hereby ordered as follows:
    Section 1.
    Based upon the recommendation of the Secretary of Health and
    Human Services (the ‘‘Secretary’’), in consultation with the Surgeon General,
    and for the purpose of specifying certain communicable diseases for regula-
    tions providing for the apprehension, detention, or conditional release of
    individuals to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of suspected
    communicable diseases, the following communicable diseases are hereby
    specified pursuant to section 361(b) of the Public Health Service Act:
    (a) Cholera; Diphtheria; infectious Tuberculosis; Plague; Smallpox; Yellow
    Fever; and Viral Hemorrhagic Fevers (Lassa, Marburg, Ebola, Crimean-Congo,
    South American, and others not yet isolated or named).
    (b) Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), which is a disease associ-
    ated with fever and signs and symptoms of pneumonia or other respiratory
    illness, is transmitted from person to person predominantly by the aerosolized
    or droplet route, and, if spread in the population, would have severe public
    health consequences.
    Sec. 2.
    The Secretary, in the Secretary’s discretion, shall determine whether
    a particular condition constitutes a communicable disease of the type speci-
    fied in section 1 of this order.
    Sec. 3.
    The functions of the President under sections 362 and 364(a) of
    the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 265 and 267(a)) are assigned to
    the Secretary.
    Sec. 4.
    This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or
    benefit enforceable at law or equity by any party against the United States,
    its departments, agencies, entities, officers, employees or agents, or any
    other person.
    Sec. 5.
    Executive Order 12452 of December 22, 1983, is hereby revoked
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  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,246 Senior Member
    This administration has a penchant for ignoring the rules, why should this be any different?
    The fire service needs a "culture of extinguishment not safety" Ray McCormack FDNY
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,686 Senior Member
    According to the talking heads, the guy in Dallas is "fighting for his life" in a hospital and in the mean time his family is under armed guard. They were quarantined at their apartment and wasted no time violating the quarantine so now they have armed guards making sure that they stay put. The list of people that may have been exposed by the guy in Dallas is up over 100 now.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    And an ABC News journalist contracted it over there and the whole news crew is being brought back and quarantined. It just gets better and better.

    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/american-journalist-liberia-diagnosed-ebola-25939088
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,726 Senior Member
    Anyone think that the CDC/ Authorities' constant assurances of "It won't come here. Everything is fine, no need to worry" might have a bit of effect on emergency workers when someone comes into the hospital, says they have symptoms and has been in Liberia?

    Why does all this stuff have to happen in TX? The Fence jumper is from here... Ebola is here...
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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,686 Senior Member
    To make matters worse, the airlines won't restrict flights in and out of the stricken area's at the urging of our government because we don't want to damage any of those countries economically. Wouldn't want to hurt their tourism industry. I would think restricting travel to and from those areas by nonessential people would be the first thing they did. It's almost like our government wants this to spread.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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  • BuffcoBuffco Senior Member Posts: 6,244 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Anyone think that the CDC/ Authorities' constant assurances of "It won't come here. Everything is fine, no need to worry" might have a bit of effect on emergency workers when someone comes into the hospital, says they have symptoms and has been in Liberia?

    Why does all this stuff have to happen in TX? The Fence jumper is from here... Ebola is here...
    Everything's bigger in Texas! Including the number of Ebola cases!
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,146 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    To make matters worse, the airlines won't restrict flights in and out of the stricken area's at the urging of our government because we don't want to damage any of those countries economically. Wouldn't want to hurt their tourism industry. I would think restricting travel to and from those areas by nonessential people would be the first thing they did. It's almost like our government wants this to spread.
    I have no doubt about it. Obama's whole strategy to convert this country to Marxism light or socialism is based on fear and chaos in the masses to accomplish those goals. The guy is an evil, narcissistic reptile without regard for the human costs of these policies. "The ends justify the means" is the Progressive mantra. Take a look at all the disease carrying illegals coming in here in droves, and the scum bag does nothing about it but ship them all over the country.
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  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,455 Senior Member
    This administration has a penchant for ignoring the rules, why should this be any different?

    That's just it. I posted this on my FB page: I have zero confidence in this government's ability to contain this problem properly, less confidence in their will to hold accountable those who need to be, and even less still in their willingness to keep you and I properly informed about the hazards of this mess. We've seen the story change time after time after time when this administration screws up, folks are rarely held accountable with anything even close to being considered an acceptable level, and a lax, almost disinterested approach to doing business. Throw in what has been, up until now,an extremely compliant media and you have a 'perfect storm' of conditions coming together. I see no good coming of this.
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  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,246 Senior Member
    coolgunguy wrote: »
    I see no good coming of this.
    :that: I am starting to ask sick patients if they have been out of the country. Thankfully I go back to my beloved Truck company next cycle for at least one shift.
    The fire service needs a "culture of extinguishment not safety" Ray McCormack FDNY
  • 1965Jeff1965Jeff Senior Member Posts: 1,611 Senior Member
    Hannity had the doctor on who took a flight to Florida last week in full level 4 bio suit to show what is coming if there is no rapid response to this threat. If he is half right on what can happen; you better have your 21 days of food ready, tinfoil hat deployed.
  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,246 Senior Member
    I would settle for an appropriate response, I'm not holding my breath.
    The fire service needs a "culture of extinguishment not safety" Ray McCormack FDNY
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Why can't these idiots just restrict anyone from Liberia and countries in close proximity.

    PC some say, looks mean..who cares send help, but don't let them in here.

    "At least one passenger exhibiting flu-like symptoms and believed to be from Liberia was removed Saturday from a United Airlines plane at New Jersey's Newark International Airport by medical personnel in hazmat suits.

    Passengers and crew on board Flight 998 were instructed to remain inside the plane while the sick passenger was removed. They were allowed off the plane shortly after the removal. United Airlines said it is working with authorities to accommodate its passengers."

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/04/sick-passenger-removed-from-united-flight-by-medical-personnel-in-hazmat-suits/
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  • N320AWN320AW Senior Member Posts: 648 Senior Member
    Buffco wrote: »
    Ahh, remember the days of yesteryear when all we got was positive news?

    .... Me neither. Yes Ebola is here and is spreading rapidly. I had a touch of it last week. Some Robitusson cured that right up.
    :worthy:

    Wow! You're a real humanitarian. You're also extremely naive! And, not the least bit funny.
  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 7,049 Senior Member
    I know how you feel, I just quit watching all the "sky is falling" national news, it makes me mad.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    The inhumanity of it all....................
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,101 Senior Member
    I'm not sure Buffco's human, so he probably doesn't have any humanity...
    Overkill is underrated.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,101 Senior Member
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    Overkill is underrated.
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