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Big Chief
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Hammond police sued over use of Taser during traffic stop

He should have just complied. Family upset about dying parent in hospital, but a pullover by Cops is not the place to make your stand and argue. Just comply with an officers instructions or it will be a loose loose situation for you. They were within their rights to bust his window and Tase him and he is lucky he wasn't shot after reaching for his bag/ID (?), others have been.
Could they have used more digression, yes. However both officers have been involved in civil rights issues before this incident.
What say you?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-hammond-police-taser-story.html
Could they have used more digression, yes. However both officers have been involved in civil rights issues before this incident.
What say you?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-hammond-police-taser-story.html
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Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
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I do not see anything wrong with what the officers did. What I saw was a guy being a jerk to the police.
That used to be called Good Police Work!
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
Then, as soon as you have the opportunity, report this incident to that higher authority. Believe me, if you are right, it will pay off. For one, if someone does this to you, he/she is doing, will do, or has done it to somebody else and it will come out.
We had one such butt head officer here that was really pissing off the populace. I went to the JP over my area and told him. He told me that he wouldn't step in right there, but I should take the defensive driving course to keep the offense he had ticketed me with off my driving record. he hinted to me that I was not the only complainer about this officer and that nature WOULD take its course because he would report my complaint to the chief. And lo and behold, this officer was gone in about a month. I found out later that almost 300 people complained about it and it all got back to the Chief, who promptly fired the offending officer. Yes, There IS A GOD!
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Many years ago a LEO (friend) told me " if your polite , i'll be nice " So far I've found this to be true.
JAY
Discretion ?
But I digress,
What sayest thou ? LoL!!
I understand police have to enforce every law, I get it that a traffic stop can be very dangerous, I am sympathetic to the police wanting absolute control over every encounter for their safety and the citizen's as well. I think citizens should cooperate. Blah, blah, blah. But when a little finesse is needed to get the job done, a little finesse should be offered. This whole thing got out of control because the passenger was obviously radicalized (thanx Jesse, thanx Al), probably freaked out from the whole Ferguson thing, and the officers were their usual power-trip selves. No donut!
I frequently ask myself "Do these people live in a different dimension?" when I see stuff like this.
What did this idiot THINK was going to happen? Who doesn't carry an ID? (Actually, I would like to see this guys criminal history).....
I find that the tone of a traffic stop is all about attitude....I am always pleasant and respectful when I approach folks....it can stay pleasant and respectful or it can go downhill from there...completely up to them....
From what I inferred from the story, his license was confiscated for driving without insurance. He was reaching in his bag to get the citation, then held it up to the window.
If it was a lawful order to get out of the car, then he was in the wrong. Did it rise to the point of breaking property and applying less lethal (not non-lethal. Tasers can and have killed) force? Not sure.
But this guy could have smiled and complied, and been on his way.
-Mikhail Kalashnikov
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
If I have a problem with what the cop did, I'll take it up with his superior later. DURING the stop, the cop's holding ALL the aces.
Not hardly, and I'm curious what in my post makes you think that :uhm:
Tasers cannot kill and have never killed anyone. People have died after being tased, but not from the effects of the Taser. People have died after being handcuffed, too. But they're a lot less than lethal.
coming out of that car even if he has to call 50 of his closest friends for help. And then you've got a slew of add on charges. I'm not excusing cop misconduct but I live in the real world.
I suspect Ferguson, MO and Obama and Holder's involvement helped enable this. Look for more in the future.
Anyway, it wasn't because of the seatbelt. From my understanding, it's because he refused a lawful order and reached into his backpack. Law here is you have an ID, you have to show it, especially if you've committed a crime or an offense.
Edited to add: having dealt with a bunch of suspects and prisoners, I find they are manipulators. They get "points" by making LEOs do what they want. They are subtle, sometimes, and the least thing they can get a cop to do, it's a score for them. I won't play that game. Not saying I would or would not break out the window and Tase the guy, I wasn't there, but IMO a perp gets a certain amount of time to play around and then the game changes.
not you knite, just a general statement
Geez Buford...it looked like there were four or five cars there already....:tooth: There was already a supervisor on the scene...should they have called the Chief...there's just no pleasing some folks...
At the point of the window-smashing and tasing, it was no longer about a seat belt....
OOPS! Gene beat me to it....
On a traffic stop, a cop doesn't know the stop-ee from Adam, and when the stop-ee decides to get belligerent or weird, the officer HAS TO ratchet up their DefCon level in the interest of keeping themselves, partners, and the surrounding citizens safe. Yes, this has and will continue to result in unfortunate outcomes, but an officer can only handle with kid gloves to a point before they themselves are at unreasonable risk. Like Snake says, the police need to have SOME authority. To some degree, it has to be publicly known that mouthing off to the defenders of the public trust can be hazardous to your physical well-being.
I think the age of videophones is probably going to make matters worse rather than better. A lot of buttheads are thinking that since they're on video, they'll be perfectly safe taunting people who carry guns for a living. There will be plenty of times where that doesn't end well - for anybody; not for the idiot who initiated the confrontation, not for the cop who has to live with the outcome, and not for the community, which will undoubtedly be divided between the camps of "Jamal was always such a GOOD boy" and "Taser? That idiot should have been SHOT - and a lot sooner than he was!"
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
Amen!
Or Charles Askins, Bill Jordan and Skeeter Skelton would have too!
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Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
Most people that get snarky with a LEO get richly rewarded, in the past I had been pulled over for speeding, then ID, nagged a bit, no ticket, and parted freinds. Act like Horse southbound end, expect to get treated like one.
I appreciate what 99% of them do day in and day out. Sometimes they have to be reminded they work for US, We The People.
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
― Douglas Adams
Some time goes by and a female deputy informs me that I do not exist, 30 minutes later, the deputy apologizes and shakes my hand, as I am walking away, the deputy calls me back and asks me to look at the computer screen and it is showing lots of red confusing symbols, and she tells me she cant clear it.