Call what you want, but in operational terms...

centermass556centermass556 Senior MemberPosts: 3,508 Senior Member
Call it what you want or look at it how you want, but plan and simple this was probing.
not going to deny it either, I am paranoid about this. As I war game this from my arm chair. Bio war is the next logical step for those that want to defeat the US.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/10/13/us-health-usa-boston-idUKKCN0I223T20141013


Emergency crews in protective gear removed five passengers with flu-like symptoms from a commercial airliner that arrived at Boston's Logan Airport from Dubai on Monday, but U.S. health authorities said the possibility of Ebola was "exceedingly low."

Emirates flight 237 landed at Logan around 2:30 p.m. EDT and emergency medical workers subsequently escorted the ill travelers off the aircraft, authorities said.

Massachusetts Port Authority spokesman Matthew Brelis said none of the ill passengers had recently been to West Africa, which is struggling with a deadly Ebola outbreak that has killed more than 4,000 people since March, but alarms were signaled after their arrival "out of an abundance of caution."
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    Wouldn't be that hard to infect a bunch of people, give them plenty of Tylenol to keep the fever down, and send them to the U.S. And, in nuclear terms, they could "crap up" a lot of public places with their bodily juices by smearing saliva all over things normally touched by many people in the course of a day. Med system would be overwhelmed rapidly.

    I heard on the news that the places that take med waste for incineration are refusing to take the ebola stuff. What they going to do with all that stuff piling up?
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  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Kind of disturbing thoughts, tenn, but pretty much spot on.

    I'm not a conspiracy theorist, as you guys know. But I'm also pretty cognizant of evil in the world, and people like ISIS and other jihadists could easily recruit death-squad volunteers (like homicide bombers) and turn them loose.

    And as you say, it wouldn't take a lot of effort to do this, just provide airfare and some fake documents (like, African airports are gonna have sophisticated screening, yeah, sure) and send them to the Western countries who are their enemy.

    Special secret labs in which to weaponize Ebola? Mmm, likely not. But ingenious ways to send scores of "conventional" Ebola carriers into the West? Entirely possible.

    (I had to laugh however. I'd first typed "Special secret laps in which to weaponize Ebola?" and after I fixed it, I thought, mmm, ya never know -- those Laplanders with their fur coats and reindeer? Kinda suspicious if you ask me...)

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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,055 Senior Member
    I agree Center....if you look at the history of biowar it makes sense...Looking at the panic created by a few Ebola patients, an intentional outbreak could be hugely effective. I mean if they can talk people into strapping bombs to themselves, it's not much of a stretch to imagine talking them into infecting themselves.

    One thing we can be sure of is that our political correctness will be the end of us. We are unable to contain one of the deadliest diseases known to man in West Africa with a simple quarantine...think we'll be able to contain outbreaks in our own country?
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  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,246 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    I agree Center....if you look at the history of biowar it makes sense...Looking at the panic created by a few Ebola patients, an intentional outbreak could be hugely effective. I mean if they can talk people into strapping bombs to themselves, it's not much of a stretch to imagine talking them into infecting themselves.

    One thing we can be sure of is that our political correctness will be the end of us. We are unable to contain one of the deadliest diseases known to man in West Africa with a simple quarantine...think we'll be able to contain outbreaks in our own country?

    Not with the morons we have in charge right now. Doing the wrong thing because it is the "politically correct" thing to do just amazes me. I did not realize that people could be that stupid. Can't change how viruses work by thinking of "hope" and "change". I "hope" the idiots in charge have to "change" the bedding of an Ebola victim. Not likely though. The folks in the trenches are going to pay the price like always.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,055 Senior Member
    Just like our inability to wage total war...We are no longer hard enough to do what's necessary...
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    Look at how fast Norovirus spreads on ships, and then think of an urban high traffic area with all the surfaces that could be contaminated, and recontaminated, by one person bent on spreading the disease. Then factor in the lack of hands washing, eye rubbing, and not washing up before meals, and you could have a massive infection spread in a short time. The explosive suicide bombers could very easily become bio bombers.
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  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,246 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Look at how fast Norovirus spreads on ships, and then think of an urban high traffic area with all the surfaces that could be contaminated, and recontaminated, by one person bent on spreading the disease. Then factor in the lack of hands washing, eye rubbing, and not washing up before meals, and you could have a massive infection spread in a short time. The explosive suicide bombers could very easily become bio bombers.

    Keeps me up at night.
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  • mohicanmohican Member Posts: 380 Member
    Beyond EBOLA, there are some serious illnesses coming in with our "Unescorted Children". Plus good good old Tuberculosis and other things long since stamped out in the US.

    Both Southern and Northern borders are porous, but the bulk of problems head from South to North under the guise of "bringing in people willing to do jobs Americans Won't Do".
  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,508 Senior Member
    mohican wrote: »
    Beyond EBOLA, there are some serious illnesses coming in with our "Unescorted Children". Plus good good old Tuberculosis and other things long since stamped out in the US.

    Both Southern and Northern borders are porous, but the bulk of problems head from South to North under the guise of "bringing in people willing to do jobs Americans Won't Do".

    That's no guise. and I will speak for that one. Go ask a 1,000 unemplyed folks if they want to pick and plant for the companies are paying and you will get maybe 50 that stay longer than two weeks. I know a guy back home that runs a fence and roofing company. He hires nothing but folks from south of the border. I asked him about it and he told me, he knows that ran, shine, 100 degree heat those folks will show up until the job is done. He couldn't find that in most others that were local.

    I don't like how our borders are and I don't like the waves and waves of folks coming in, but that "guise" nonsense you are speaking on is bull crap.

    And TB has still been a threat in the states for a while... A long while. A good percentage of the Armed forces has taken the INH treatment. No, we are not full blown lungers, but we have had enough exposure to warrant the Prophylactic.
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  • mohicanmohican Member Posts: 380 Member
    Perhaps you're right. I think of all the jobs I did to put myself through college and I did work the illegals probably wouldn't do.....

    As far as the other, it is in large part a systemic problem is someone is collecting any kind of public assistance and is unwilling to get a sore back because it pays more to sit at home, play nintendo and eat cheetohs. And there are a lot of jobs, particularly in construction, and hotel service where people cant get jobs because they will hire cheaper illegal labor. There are a lot of jobs people would do but can't or won't take because of diluted low dollar illegal immigrant labor.

    So, in the spirit of goodwill I will score this at 50-50.

    I also personally know that people who try to get the migrant workers the right way ie applying for the temp worker permits are often stymied. - Again - a system problem.
  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,246 Senior Member
    TB is and has been an ongoing problem for years. Prison population is riddled with it, those folks aren't known for their ability to make good choices so it gets spread around. Shutting down all migrant workers is not very realistic, BUT, I am not willing to just look at our porous border and ignore the problem either. Especially since it makes for, as C-mass points out, a very viable terrorist weapon. Better work permit systems along with prosecution of those who choose to not follow the rules, both illegal immigrants, (deportation), and the companies that hire them, (fines with teeth!)
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,417 Senior Member
    I remember a few years ago before the immigration cops got defanged, a couple of small towns in Tennessee lost about half their population when a Tyson chicken processing plant got raided. Relatively few arrests and deportations were made, but the rest of the illegals fled like rats off a sinking ship. The local grocery stores had to trash a bunch of Hispanic-specific food on their shelves when it hit its expiration date- - - -no customers to buy it! Tyson had their processing lines up and running again in a few days by hiring Anglo workers, but a friend who lived in one town told me they had to almost double the payroll for the same number of workers. His wife worked in the H.R. department there.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Guy I worked with on Fort Stewart near the Reidsville/Glennville/Claxton GA area and said when they raided the fields/chicken houses they would pack them on buses and they would all hang out the windows and wave and say see you in 2 weeks........and sure enough almost all the same faces would be back in a couple weeks.
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  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 4,542 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    I remember a few years ago before the immigration cops got defanged, a couple of small towns in Tennessee lost about half their population when a Tyson chicken processing plant got raided.
    Jerry

    Wasn't just Tennessee. Louisiana processed a lot of chickens, too. Not so much anymore.

    Mike
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  • bowserbbowserb Member Posts: 277 Member
    mohican wrote: »
    Beyond EBOLA, there are some serious illnesses coming in with our "Unescorted Children". Plus good good old Tuberculosis and other things long since stamped out in the US.

    Both Southern and Northern borders are porous, but the bulk of problems head from South to North under the guise of "bringing in people willing to do jobs Americans Won't Do".

    Thank you, Mohican. We have been reimporting diseases that in the old days had legal immigrants quarantined and treated before they were allowed off Ellis Island. Now TB infected illegals come across the border every day. Where is the CDC raising the alarm?


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  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 6,529 Senior Member
    That's no guise. and I will speak for that one. Go ask a 1,000 unemplyed folks if they want to pick and plant for the companies are paying and you will get maybe 50 that stay longer than two weeks. I know a guy back home that runs a fence and roofing company. He hires nothing but folks from south of the border. I asked him about it and he told me, he knows that ran, shine, 100 degree heat those folks will show up until the job is done. He couldn't find that in most others that were local.

    I don't like how our borders are and I don't like the waves and waves of folks coming in, but that "guise" nonsense you are speaking on is bull crap.

    Its not a guise, and the answer is simple. Purina People chow instead of EBT cards, drug testing for taxpayer funded housing and food, medical care done by med students only win-win, and lastly the ability to step over those who take the decision to do nothing.

    60% of Americans going for cheap labor jobs cant pass a drug test, most of the rest can steal more from us on welfare. Illeagles fill the void that used to be filled by Americans when honor was more than a word for a movie title.
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  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,803 Senior Member
    My ER physician wife and I have been going over the Ebola issues and we have determined the following:

    1. The CDC is not prepared.
    2. When the CDC is not prepared, they lie.
    3. The CDC is not the expert in on the ground infectious disease control and needs revamped.
    4. The Administrations inability to hire an Surgeon General is part of the problem.
    5. No one knows who is to enforce quarantines. Local government thinks it is the CDC, the CDC says local Health departments.
    6. Local hospitals are not trained in procedures to manage Ebola.
    7. Infectious controls are about to et a HUGE ramp up.
    8. The two US infected Ebola patients are going to move the medical community to effective management ASAP.
    9. Medical personnel are as afraid of treating the virus as people are of catching it.
    10. Airlines are going to effectively embargo Ebola countries because they don't want the risk
    11. Transmission is NOT fully understood and respirators are most likely necessary.
    12. Families should have a plan. While it is not an outbreak, how would you handle loved ones if there was?
    13. Hospitals are NOT equipped to handle an outbreak of a highly infectious disease and would be quickly over AND CONTAMINATED
    14. Effective isolation centers would have to be set up in the case of an outbreak to keep hospitals functioning. My idea is a trailer setup for isolation of the patients.

    D
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  • mohicanmohican Member Posts: 380 Member
    BigDanS wrote: »
    14. Effective isolation centers would have to be set up in the case of an outbreak to keep hospitals functioning. My idea is borrowed from Escape From New York, and to use one major city (Atlanta or Washington DC would work best) and erect an electrified, 50 ft perimeter fence around it.

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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    Plenty of shut down military bases all over the U.S.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,055 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Plenty of shut down military bases all over the U.S.

    This...

    A lot of folks will make light of Tom Clancys scenarios...but if you want some idea of what would happen will a full-blown outbreak in this country...he's pretty much spot on in Executive Orders...
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,743 Senior Member
    BigDanS wrote: »
    My ER physician wife and I have been going over the Ebola issues and we have determined the following:

    1. The CDC is not prepared.
    2. When the CDC is not prepared, they lie.
    3. The CDC is not the expert in on the ground infectious disease control and needs revamped.
    4. The Administrations inability to hire an Surgeon General is part of the problem.
    5. No one knows who is to enforce quarantines. Local government thinks it is the CDC, the CDC says local Health departments.
    6. Local hospitals are not trained in procedures to manage Ebola.
    7. Infectious controls are about to et a HUGE ramp up.
    8. The two US infected Ebola patients are going to move the medical community to effective management ASAP.
    9. Medical personnel are as afraid of treating the virus as people are of catching it.
    10. Airlines are going to effectively embargo Ebola countries because they don't want the risk
    11. Transmission is NOT fully understood and respirators are most likely necessary.
    12. Families should have a plan. While it is not an outbreak, how would you handle loved ones if there was?
    13. Hospitals are NOT equipped to handle an outbreak of a highly infectious disease and would be quickly over AND CONTAMINATED
    14. Effective isolation centers would have to be set up in the case of an outbreak to keep hospitals functioning. My idea is a trailer setup for isolation of the patients.

    D

    Not sure I agree with all this. Some, but not all. BTW we as gun owners and the NRA have a role in the fact we don't have a surgeon general. Obama nominated him over a year ago but he can't get confirmed because he believes there is a link between gun violence and public health.

    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/surgeon-general-nominee-tied-politics

    Some more data on Ebola:

    http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/res/psds-ftss/ebola-eng.php

    While we don't know everything about it, we know it doesn't survive all that long at normal room temperature outside of the body. It also from all tests that have been done airborne transmission between humans or monkeys doesn't appear likely.

    On the weaponization aspect, my first job was doing biological terrorism risk assessment. Ebola is one of the scarier viruses, but it's also quite hard to effectively weaponize. Others such as anthrax and smallpox are far easier and more effective. The scenario suggested though of sending intentionally infected individuals could indeed cause panic, and could lead to a mild outbreak, but "best case" is likely infections in the hundreds to few thousands, it just doesn't spread as rapidly and effectively as many other airborne disease. Certainly an effective attack though and something no doubt the military, DHS, and the CIA will be keenly watching for (although admittedly could be harder to stop than we'd like). There are significant multi-billion dollar bio defense programs in place including biological detection monitors throughout most big cities (some of which were at least partially developed by my colleagues) and vaccine and drug stockpiles for any of the potential bio agents that have treatments, but unfortunately none of these really help against Ebola.
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  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,803 Senior Member
    Not sure I agree with all this. Some, but not all. BTW we as gun owners and the NRA have a role in the fact we don't have a surgeon general. Obama nominated him over a year ago but he can't get confirmed because he believes there is a link between gun violence and public health.

    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/surgeon-general-nominee-tied-politics

    Some more data on Ebola:

    http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/res/psds-ftss/ebola-eng.php

    While we don't know everything about it, we know it doesn't survive all that long at normal room temperature outside of the body. It also from all tests that have been done airborne transmission between humans or monkeys doesn't appear likely.

    On the weaponization aspect, my first job was doing biological terrorism risk assessment. Ebola is one of the scarier viruses, but it's also quite hard to effectively weaponize. Others such as anthrax and smallpox are far easier and more effective. The scenario suggested though of sending intentionally infected individuals could indeed cause panic, and could lead to a mild outbreak, but "best case" is likely infections in the hundreds to few thousands, it just doesn't spread as rapidly and effectively as many other airborne disease. Certainly an effective attack though and something no doubt the military, DHS, and the CIA will be keenly watching for (although admittedly could be harder to stop than we'd like). There are significant multi-billion dollar bio defense programs in place including biological detection monitors throughout most big cities (some of which were at least partially developed by my colleagues) and vaccine and drug stockpiles for any of the potential bio agents that have treatments, but unfortunately none of these really help against Ebola.

    As far as the Surgeon General goes, why is this a Republican / Democrat issue? Why not ask the Republicans who they would nominate if it is important? Reagan "reached across the aisle" because he would nominate Democratic acceptable candidates, and it is the same for any situation where the Executive branch and legislative branch are not the same party. Is it that hard to throw us Republicans a bone?

    D
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,743 Senior Member
    BigDanS wrote: »
    As far as the Surgeon General goes, why is this a Republican / Democrat issue? Why not ask the Republicans who they would nominate if it is important? Reagan "reached across the aisle" because he would nominate Democratic acceptable candidates, and it is the same for any situation where the Executive branch and legislative branch are not the same party. Is it that hard to throw us Republicans a bone?

    D

    nominations have become a major game of politics lately. Just part of the increasingly partisan environment in Washington. It has definitely gotten way worse since Obama took office and will likely not change if an R takes office as the Dems turn around and use the same tactic against them

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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    And guess what, PAYBACK time is looming and the Dems are gonna start screaming like raped apes when Reps do the same things they have been doing in Congress.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,803 Senior Member
    It gets back to nominating acceptable candidates rather than ruling by fiat.

    As far as hospital preparedness goes, most facilities do not know how to handle a specimen if it were to be tested for Ebola. No local labs are setup to test, so how do you test? Drawing potentially Ebola contaminated blood is a risk. So lets say we have a vial of it, now what? The local labs are not setup to test it and it has the potential of contaminating a facility if it breaks. Does it go straight to the CDC? How?

    Considering my wife works in a level 1 trauma center, one of the top three or four in South Florida, a major population center, they are not prepared to even test blood. So how do you determine if a patient has a potential Ebola infection? How long are they exposed in open waiting rooms, or in ER beds? What happens if they contaminate it?

    None of these questions or protocols have been formalized.

    Would you like to sit in the seat of the plane that an Ebola patient has used? Would you like to use their bathroom they have used in a hospital?

    The CDC has downplayed this to quell a panic. 176 passengers were on the Frontier Airlines flight from Cleveland to Dallas, and then the plane went to multiple locations afterwards before it was pulled from service. Each of those passengers is a potential cluster to watch.

    We are not West Africa, but we sure aren't prepared!

    D
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,055 Senior Member
    There are significant multi-billion dollar bio defense programs in place including biological detection monitors throughout most big cities (some of which were at least partially developed by my colleagues) and vaccine and drug stockpiles for any of the potential bio agents that have treatments, but unfortunately none of these really help against Ebola.

    Yep....I evaluated an exercise where they rolled out a stockpile...flew it into an airbase and then trucked it 60 miles to a city.
    It was amazing...the first glaring finding was the inability to recognize that containers marked 1 of 3, 2 of 3 and 3 of 3 should probably have been loaded together. We ended up with drugs ending up in one place and the stuff to administer the drugs in another place a couple of miles away....But that's the purpose of exercises....perhaps they actually read the deficiency reports and have got better since....
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  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,246 Senior Member
    Nature abhors a vacuum, since the CDC seems to be lacking in the whole "having a clue" area, local entities are having to step up on their own. Personally I think if the truth were known, folks at the CDC have been cussing the TV as much as I have when the boss goes on saying that there is nothing to worry about. The most effective, simplest measure to take would be the implementation of a travel ban. I heard the head of the CDC arguing that commercial flights were vital for the efforts to stop the virus in Africa, that charter flights would not do. The nation that instituted the Berlin Airlift, now, "Fly United".
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  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,508 Senior Member
    Not sure I agree with all this. Some, but not all. BTW we as gun owners and the NRA have a role in the fact we don't have a surgeon general. Obama nominated him over a year ago but he can't get confirmed because he believes there is a link between gun violence and public health.
    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/surgeon-general-nominee-tied-politics

    Some more data on Ebola:

    http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/res/psds-ftss/ebola-eng.php

    While we don't know everything about it, we know it doesn't survive all that long at normal room temperature outside of the body. It also from all tests that have been done airborne transmission between humans or monkeys doesn't appear likely.

    On the weaponization aspect, my first job was doing biological terrorism risk assessment. Ebola is one of the scarier viruses, but it's also quite hard to effectively weaponize. Others such as anthrax and smallpox are far easier and more effective. The scenario suggested though of sending intentionally infected individuals could indeed cause panic, and could lead to a mild outbreak, but "best case" is likely infections in the hundreds to few thousands, it just doesn't spread as rapidly and effectively as many other airborne disease. Certainly an effective attack though and something no doubt the military, DHS, and the CIA will be keenly watching for (although admittedly could be harder to stop than we'd like). There are significant multi-billion dollar bio defense programs in place including biological detection monitors throughout most big cities (some of which were at least partially developed by my colleagues) and vaccine and drug stockpiles for any of the potential bio agents that have treatments, but unfortunately none of these really help against Ebola.

    And there you have folks. True colors.

    It is gun owners and the NRA's fault we can't have a Surgeon General. Not the fault of the executive branch an their inabliity to nominate a worth while canidate, but the fault of the gun toting population.

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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    The reason we don't have a Surgeon General is because Obama nominated someone to the position knowing he had a snowballs chance in hell of being confirmed. Alpha likes to blame the Conservatives every chance he gets and totally ignores the root cause for the failure of Obama's nominees to be confirmed. I guess Alpha and the progressives would also have a hissy fit if Obama nominated Bill Ayers to replace Holder as Attorney General.

    The real reason Obama's choices for these offices fail to pass muster is because they are unfit to hold the office. But Alpha, like the progressives believes that Obama should be able to nominate and have confirmed any hack that the wants as long as they pass the progressive muster. And it gives them something to piss and moan about while America burns and Obama plays another round of golf.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,851 Senior Member
    Call it what you want or look at it how you want, but plan and simple this was probing.
    not going to deny it either, I am paranoid about this. As I war game this from my arm chair. Bio war is the next logical step for those that want to defeat the US.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/10/13/us-health-usa-boston-idUKKCN0I223T20141013


    Emergency crews in protective gear removed five passengers with flu-like symptoms from a commercial airliner that arrived at Boston's Logan Airport from Dubai on Monday, but U.S. health authorities said the possibility of Ebola was "exceedingly low."

    Emirates flight 237 landed at Logan around 2:30 p.m. EDT and emergency medical workers subsequently escorted the ill travelers off the aircraft, authorities said.

    Massachusetts Port Authority spokesman Matthew Brelis said none of the ill passengers had recently been to West Africa, which is struggling with a deadly Ebola outbreak that has killed more than 4,000 people since March, but alarms were signaled after their arrival "out of an abundance of caution."

    I think we're going to see more serious reactions to false alarms as this situation progresses. I personally think that this libtard administration will eventually knuckle under and we will see some sorts of travel bans put in place.

    This whole thing is Obama's LATEST Katrina. Libya was his first and then ISIS. I mean I don't wanna be accused of wishing the Dems any good luck or trying to help them, but if any of their leadership has even 1/10th of a brain they will pay up and start taking the public pulse on this. Something like this, if it should really get out of control and kill a couple million Americans could spell doom to the Dummycrapic party. You start letting people and their family's die and you are really messing up.

    Then again, maybe Obama is letting this happen. Think about it, if the country is in serious turmoil, and we get to the point we actually need the government to survive, Obama could slip in and make himself KING!
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