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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,093 Senior Member
    I say the best all around hand gun is the gun that is in my hand. :guns:
    :win:
    or the closest one when I need it :tooth:
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    The captions/word notes were a hoot!

    The gun in your hand is better than one in a bush you can't get at.

    The simplicity of a revolver speaks volumes too. And I learnt to shoot with a revolver as many of us older farts/gentlemen on here.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • SlanteyedshootistSlanteyedshootist Senior Member Posts: 3,947 Senior Member
    The Marshal always cracks me up. But the hula guys on his safes worry me.

    Sirry question anyway. Evelybody noh 1911 is Hamma of the Gods. Light???

    Yeah, I noh being slantyeyed I should have said Nambu but me so Amelicanized now.
    The answer to 1984 is 1776
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,258 Senior Member
    "The 1911 remains the service pistol of choice in the eyes of those who understand the problem" - Jeff Cooper.

    I don't disagree with the guy that a 3-4" .357 is an incredibly useful thing (my own preference there is a GP-100, though I can't fault the S&W's). I don't disagree that it is an incredibly versatile thing, either. It probably IS the best "all-around" handgun, if you need one and one only for the daily urban defense of your life, protection in bear country, feeding yourself, and teaching novice shooters. It is undoubtedly a handgun that every serious handgunner should have.

    HOWEVER: In the final analysis, I am not certain how much "all around" capabilities matter to me in a single package. . .

    For rookies, I'd MUCH rather have a .22.
    For hunting and bears, I'd MUCH rather have a .44 / .45C / .454
    For daily carry, I'd MUCH rather have a pocket 5-shot revolver or some form of service-caliber auto.
    For certain knowledge of impending conflict, I'd MUCH rather have a 1911-A1.

    If forced into one of those silly hypotheticals where you can only have one, would I give up all of the above in favor of the .357? Nope. The 1911 stays. For the rookies, I can load it with 185 and 200 grain Bullseye loads; for bears and hunting I can load it hot with my 230 grain LBT's and take my chances; and for social interaction, I'm as well off as I can possibly be if long guns are not present. It is the master of the trade I most consider that handguns were conceived for. Jacks of all are usually lacking somewhere.
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  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,958 Senior Member
    Bigslug wrote: »
    " Jacks of all are usually lacking somewhere.

    Jack of all, master of none.

    The best handgun is the one you have when you need it.

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    I agree with Bigslug. And yeah, the "best is in your hand" comeback saying but assuming you could pick which one to have there, when "it" happens?

    I'll pick a .45, preferably a 1911.

    Second choice, any other .45, like a DA Springfield XD.

    Third choice, a nice .357 4" barrel, like maybe a Ruger.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,738 Senior Member
    Hard to argue with anyone's personal choice, but the question of "best" is like asking "What's the best food?"

    I've got a 3" model 65, but almost never carry it. Got a 1911, and almost never carry it. Got a PPK S, never carry it. The one I carry most is my 9mm Shield or my Kahr 9mm, PM9, and I don't know if either of them are Best, but they'll certainly do until the Best gun gets there.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    Hard to argue with anyone's personal choice, but the question of "best" is like asking "What's the best food?"

    I've got a 3" model 65, but almost never carry it. Got a 1911, and almost never carry it. Got a PPK S, never carry it. The one I carry most is my 9mm Shield or my Kahr 9mm, PM9, and I don't know if either of them are Best, but they'll certainly do until the Best gun gets there.

    I agree, when I carry now, it's 9mm. Not too small, not too big, and it has a lot of mag capacity.
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    I remember lots of Detectives carrying 5 shot revolvers sometimes no extra ammo convinced that a charged radio was more important than a re-load, an opinion I considered unwise.

    Now if I could get a truly compact short cylinder short frame 5 shot revolver in .45 acp, made by S&W, I would be really really happy.
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  • Fat BillyFat Billy Senior Member Posts: 1,813 Senior Member
    My 44 special 5 shot is handy,small,light,effective. Great car/carry gun. If I need more than 5 I should bring my 9mm. Which ever is perfect. :cool2: Later,
    Fat Billy

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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,660 Senior Member
    But the hula guys on his safes worry me.
    You noticed those too? Grass skirts are itchy!
    Sirry ...I should have said Nambu but me so Amelicanized now.
    I like my Nambu - very soft shooting and fun!
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  • HvyMaxHvyMax Senior Member Posts: 1,786 Senior Member
    I would go with the EAA Witness. You can get slides and barrels in 22-45 compact, standard, longslide and extended/comped. I could choose between 6 classes at most any match. After that is the Dan Wesson. Again stock to unlimited within minutes.
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  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,954 Senior Member
    I'll go with my 4" S&W 29. 44 Mag for hunting, 44 spl for 2 legged varmints.

    Luis
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  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member
    I'll go with....the one I practice with.
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  • 104RFAST104RFAST Senior Member Posts: 1,281 Senior Member
    My favorite bullet is the .357, and a revolver is quite adequate for PD in most situations.However,
    if the "zomby thing" should occur, magazine capacity could play a larger role and a .45 or 10MM
    1911 would be my choice. I just prefer big bullets. .44's are very effective, I just don't happen to
    own one at this time.
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,474 Senior Member
    I just was laughing while watching the video. They boy definitely has a sense of humor.
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    At some point I will get my Commander sized 10mm and that will be the perfect gun!

    No !
    Get a Grock !!!!! Lol,
    Only messin with you ! I want a commander or even an officers model pistol.
    I think an integral ramp on the barrel is a good idea on the shorter barrels.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    One that hits what you look at?
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    The UK version of the best all around or ideal handgun, locked up in the clubs safe when you are at home and really need it !!!!!
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,493 Senior Member
    I'm trying to figure out why an integral ramp is "better" on smaller firearms....

    My understanding is that the ramp on the short 1911s is primarily to prevent wear on the aluminum frame if you ever need to polish it (easy to go through the anodizing) and that it's used on competition firearms to allow a better-supported chamber and higher cartridge pressures. Looking at the feed ramp angles between a standard 1911 and a ramped barrel, there's really not that much difference.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    It seems to me, that the guns I have had that had an integral feed ramp would feed a wide variety of ammo, (bullet types) while the ones that did not seemed to have problems if you fed them ammo they did not like, more ammo sensitive.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,493 Senior Member
    Then the ones without the integral feed ramp weren't set up properly. It's not a matter of design, but execution.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    What makes the .357 Magnum revolver a jack of all trades is not the 'hardware' - the gun itself, it's the 'software' - the ammo you load it with. Perfect ammunition for every purpose is available in .357 and .38, and the nice thing about a revolver is it can function reliably with any or all of it, and if you're gun has adjustable sights, it can be zeroed for any load. With such flexibility, it's no trick to be a master of all trades as well.

    Guns come and go - they are bought, sold and traded regularly. But when all is said and done, there's always a .357 magnum revolver in the mix.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Then the ones without the integral feed ramp weren't set up properly. It's not a matter of design, but execution.

    Do you remember maybe 20 + years ago or more that many folks thought a 1911 was only reliable with ball ammo ?
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,493 Senior Member
    Yes, but I also realize we've progressed beyond that, so repeating outdated info and repeating it without consideration or qualification really doesn't do anyone any good. It just perpetuates incorrect myths.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Can you show any new current production handguns that do not have an integral ramp ?
    I don't think there are currently too many being made.

    So where is the outdated information ? Outdated would be insisting all handguns need to be worked on before they can be considered reliable with all sorts of ammo.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,493 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    Can you show any new current production handguns that do not have an integral ramp ?
    I don't think there are currently too many being made.

    So where is the outdated information ? Outdated would be insisting all handguns need to be worked on before they can be considered reliable with all sorts of ammo.
    Colt Defender, Wilson's Sentinel, Colt Officer's Model, just of the top of my head. And your original statement saying you think an intergral feed ramp is a "good idea" on a compact handgun is based on this outdated info.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • buckfynnbuckfynn New Member Posts: 1 New Member
    Usually I am not a fan of The Yankee Marshall. But he did a great review on the Smith's It hard to argue with a .357 for an overall carry pistol.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    buckfynn wrote: »
    Usually I am not a fan of The Yankee Marshall. But he did a great review on the Smith's It hard to argue with a .357 for an overall carry pistol.

    I am glad that I never had to depend on a bunch of comedic blow-hards for important information on firearms and how to use them, aside from the Instructors in LE training.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,738 Senior Member
    buckfynn wrote: »
    Usually I am not a fan of The Yankee Marshall. But he did a great review on the Smith's It hard to argue with a .357 for an overall carry pistol.

    It's a great handgun. I'd hate to argue it's the BEST all around handgun, however. They're heavy and a little bulky. Having said that, I carried one before the Auto-rebellion, which happened in the mid-eighties, as I remember it.

    I've never heard of the Yankee Marshal, and didn't watch the video to the end. I've said this before, but I'm convinced that there is an American obsession with "the best" that outweighs the utility of the term. Thing is, there will always be one better than "the best|", next year or next month. Trying to pigeon-hole guns is a fool's errand.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
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