Anyone have a 224 Winchester case?

brians356

Anyone have a 224 Winchester case (fired or unfired)? I'd like to obtain one if possible.

Elk creek

Do you mean 225 win.?never mind your a cartrige collector, good luck.

snake284

Yeah, I never heard of a .224 Winchester. But the .225 was a pretty good round almost as fast as a 22-250 Remington. Only a couple hundred feet per second slower, the best I can remember. But it was overshadowed by the Remington and the Swift.

snake284

OK Here's a little data on the .225 Winchester. Winchester brought it out in 1964. It has a semmi rimmed case. In most loads it isn't a hundred FPS behind a ,22-250. However, it was a matter of bad timing. It came out about the same time Remington standardized the old Wildcat .22-250 which had been a favorite as a wildcat and it was just too much competition for it. That's a shame because it will perform nearly right alongside the 22-250. It was chambered in the Model 70 and also in the Savage Model 340. Anyway, it's a great performer.

shush

What of this;

.224 Winchester E2 Ball, E2 (United States);




http://www.cartrology.com/browse-ammunition.php?mode=item&ID=175

Jermanator

shush wrote: »

http://www.cartrology.com/browse-ammunition.php?mode=item&ID=175

From the link

Primer: percussion, rounded, brass, ring crimp, red annulus

I have never heard of an annulus before. Let us never speak of annuluses ever again!!!

I am going to hide in a corner now.

NN

the Winchester Light Rifle in .224 Winchester E2. This was a rifle in competition with the early AR-15 to replace the M-14 in US military service. The .224 E2 cartridge was similar to, but not interchangeable with the .222 Remington, eventually to become the 5.56×45 NATO round.

shush

NN wrote: »

the Winchester Light Rifle in .224 Winchester E2.

brians356

Elk creek wrote: »

Do you mean 225 win.?never mind your a cartrige collector

I am? Isn't life full of surprises!

My request is still open. Anyone?

shush

brians356 wrote: »

Isn't life full of surprises!

BOO!!!!!!!

brians356

shush wrote: »

BOO!!!!!!!

Eloquence. So ... shall I take it you're not pleased to learn I am not a collector?

Zee

brians356 wrote: »

Eloquence. So ... shall I take it you're not pleased to learn I am not a collector?

I believe that's a "Boo" as in scare, or surprise. Not "Boo" and in displeased, or you suck. You are always looking for a confrontation on this forum. Compete with the personality of a flat rock. Such joy.

Gene L

Jermanator wrote: »

From the link
I have never heard of an annulus before. Let us never speak of annuluses ever again!!!

I am going to hide in a corner now.

Too much chili can give you a red annulus.

Elk creek

There was a member a while back that had his heart set of a Springfield 03' in the ever so popular 30-03, yes 03. Nothing else would do.... Well he military being he military I'm sure one or two exists but finding them would be like stumbling into a cave just to finding a unicorn drinking from the holy grail whilst astride the arc of the covenant. Good luck

shush

Zee wrote: »

I believe that's a "Boo" as in scare, or surprise. Not "Boo" and in displeased, or you suck..................... Such joy.

You have come to know me too well me thinks.

Thank you.

Gene L wrote: »

Too much chili can give you a red annulus.

How do you know, do you use a mirror?

Gene L

Learned something today...the .270 Win is based on the 30-03 necked down. Also learned that only about 75-100 30-03 rifles were not converted to the 30-06, which would make them extremely rare. Good luck with finding one.

brians356

Zee wrote: »

I believe that's a "Boo" as in scare, or surprise. Not "Boo" and in displeased, or you suck. You are always looking for a confrontation on this forum. Compete with the personality of a flat rock. Such joy.

BOO!!!!!!!

brians356

FYI

http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/manuals/Winchester%20224%20rifle.pdf

Jayhawker

Jermanator wrote: »

annuluses

annuli ?

brians356

Jayhawker wrote: »

annuli ?

anulus; pl. anuli / anuluses

annulus; pl. annuli / annuluses

All correct.

snake284

shush wrote: »

What of this;

.224 Winchester E2 Ball, E2 (United States);




http://www.cartrology.com/browse-ammunition.php?mode=item&ID=175

Whatever. I stand corrected. But who woulda thunk it?

Besides, I never said there was no such thing, I said I never heard of it. Of course I did ask if he might have been mistaken and it was actually a .225 he was talking about. Anyway, thanks for the info shush. Now go back to sleep!

:tooth:

snake284

Also, searching around I don't see where this cartridge was ever made commercial, in which case it was never a readily available to the public cartridge and in effect was only a Military specific wild cat that never passed Muster. The .225 Win., though it didn't last too long, was in fact almost a successful commercially loaded cartridge. But the .225 was one class above the .223, 224 or the .222 Rem. Magnum. It was in the class of the 22-250 and even the Swift.

snake284

Also, had Winchester pushed this .224 Cartridge commercially there's nothing that says it couldn't have been commercially successful.

The 222 Remington Magnum was also an offering for what eventually surfaced as the AR, along with the .223, or maybe a little ahead of the .223 time wise.

However, someone or some people saw something in the .223 they liked better than the .222 Mag. Not sure what that was, maybe the slightly shorter length or shorter neck.

But because Remington found ways to market it, it was a viable commercial cartridge for about 10 years. Then the .223 overtook it in the commercial market and soon it was obsolete.

Actually, the 222 Mag. was a viable bench rest cartridge for many years as viewed as a better 200 yard BR cartridge. I've even read where some liked it because it's extra 200 FPS helped with wind deflection.

However, eventually the 222 Remington won over the BR crowd for a few years until the 22 Russian and its off springs started to push it aside. But at one time the 222 Remington Magnum looked like it would be the number one .22 centerfire for several reasons.

But the bottom line is that if a company markets a cartridge well, even if it's very similar to other already established cartridges, if it has at least the same attributes of the already successful cartridge, it too can be somewhat successful.

shush

snake284 wrote: »

Whatever. I stand corrected. But who woulda thunk it?............ History is a mine of information, especially if you have lived through some of it.

Besides, I never said there was no such thing, I said I never heard of it. Of course I did ask if he might have been mistaken and it was actually a .225 he was talking about. Anyway, thanks for the info shush. Now go back to sleep!:tooth:.............. Not sleeping snake, just resting my eyes. :devil:

snake284 wrote: »

... The .225 Win.,though it didn't last too long........

Still alive and kicking for some.

My chum was looking for a .222 Rem. Magnum but got offered the .225 win.

Teach passed on some very good loading for it.(he is having great success with the 40 and 45gr ' bombs', as he calls them.)

Thank you again for that mate. :up:

:topic:

By the way Teach, he is still thinking of a .257 re-bore for when or if the need is there. :roll:

Gene L

Elk creek wrote: »

There was a member a while back that had his heart set of a Springfield 03' in the ever so popular 30-03, yes 03. Nothing else would do.... Well he military being he military I'm sure one or two exists but finding them would be like stumbling into a cave just to finding a unicorn drinking from the holy grail whilst astride the arc of the covenant. Good luck

Looks like you could just ream out the chamber a bit longer to have a 30-03, for whatever a person wanted one. Looking up the round, says it was a barrel burner because to move the 220 gr. bullet, had to have a lot of powder and a lot of heat. I think the MV was about 2300 fps.

snake284

shush wrote: »

Still alive and kicking for some.

My chum was looking for a .222 Rem. Magnum but got offered the .225 win.

Teach passed on some very good loading for it.(he is having great success with the 40 and 45gr ' bombs', as he calls them.)

Thank you again for that mate. :up:

:topic:

By the way Teach, he is still thinking of a .257 re-bore for when or if the need is there. :roll:

History serves both those who have lived through it and those who haven't, If those who haven't will pay attention to it. That's the problem, they think they know better so they blow it off and then usually make the same mistakes those who made the first history did. They never learn do they?