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Federal Aluminum??....
olesniper
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....hadn't seen these. Found 1 box, at WW, in another town. 115gr. 9mm for $9.97 a box. Wonder if they are any better that Blazers?
Also picked up some of Winchester White Box in 124gr. for $15.77. Gander Mountain wants $19.99 for them and $49.99 for a 150 r.d box.
Also picked up some of Winchester White Box in 124gr. for $15.77. Gander Mountain wants $19.99 for them and $49.99 for a 150 r.d box.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil: For I carry a .308 and not a .270
I will fear no evil: For I carry a .308 and not a .270
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― Douglas Adams
It wouldn't matter, I wouldn't advise you to try to reload aluminum cases, there a one shot case.
JAY
3min in.
I never claimed to want to reload them; only curious as to the priming method. I'm crazy, but I'm not batscat crazy. I'm well aware that aluminum cases are unsuitable for reloading, just as the steel cases are unsuitable for reloading.
If they were Berdan primed, that would/could possibly mean that the Berdan primers would be offered for sale for all that foreign BRASS ammunition so primed that is impossible to obtain primers for reloading. I have three different sized punches for removing the Berdan primers from the case; they go through one of the flash holes and punch the primer out. Problem is, I have no reliable source of primers. A LOT of milsurp foreign brass case ammo is Berdan primed. It would be nice to have a DOMESTIC source for those primers.
― Douglas Adams
Dumb, stupid, and NOOOOOOB question: What would be involved to re-assemble the two rounds disassembled in the video? Is it as simple as pouring the powder back in and pressing the bullets back in? Or would there be more to it?
Probably samey-same. Both companies owned by ATK.
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
That is what I thought when I saw this also.
Have you seen this;
A bit over the top labour wise but may save the day.
We used to have lots of fun, berdan primer wise,, but at least we had a fair range of choice.
:uhm: OK...Why Mike?????...............
Steel cases are coated with either lacquer or some other nasty stuff that will, most likely, make them stick in the resizing die. Steel cases and steel dies do NOT play well together; the steel case will stick, and normal methods of extracting the case don't always work. Steel cases, if they are managed to be resized in a resizing die probably will give the firearm hell trying to chamber it; steel cases don't re-form like brass and tend to spring back when withdrawn from the die, much more than brass, assuming they didn't stick in the first place.
FWIW, curiosity got the best of me and I tried a couple of the lacquer coated 7.62x39 in a spare Lee resizing die a long time ago. First one, lubed with 30W motor oil, went in hard and extracted hard. Tore the rim off the second one. Tried the drill 'n' tap on case head to extract the case. No joy; bolt pulled out. Good thing I had a 7.62x39 roughing reamer and lathe. It also hosed up the shell holder, too.
It might be possible to resize tapered pistol cases as they are short and have less bearing surface, but I'm not interested in trying it. Scratching up a carbide die would be high on the suckage scale.
― Douglas Adams
They had no problems with one reload and if I remember correctly it was a revolver cartridge .357 or .38.
It is a big no no for me, not worth the effort and I surely don't recommended it. I'm sure there is a YouTube video some guy made .........................
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Run the case through a expanding die, pour in powder, run through seater/crimp die.
I will fear no evil: For I carry a .308 and not a .270
Probably whatever is the cheapest way to prime them to make 'em go bang. Doesn't make much difference, I don't believe because I think being aluminum they're most likely not reloadable. Of course you can get away with some things a few times, no matter what is said about it. But that doesn't make it safe, just because you get away with it once, or twice, or even 10 times. It's like shooting 3" shells in a 2 3/4 inch chamber in a shot gun. You get away with it most of the time, but it still, among clearer thinking heads, isn't exactly a safe practice. I actually had some(brand new) blazers that when I shot them in my .357 they burnt a hole in the side of the cartridge almost down by the rim. It only happened once and didn't hurt anything, but got my attention. Now true, that might not ever happen again, but it didn't give me the "Warm and Fuzzy." And I realize that yes, this is a different issue, but if it can happen even once to a brand new factory cartridge, then what of a once or more fired Cartridge?
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Ah so, I got you Mike, as usual you're ahead of most of us here. Good Idea too.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/search/keywords/tula+berdan
I will fear no evil: For I carry a .308 and not a .270
I did that quite a bit back in the late 70's and early 80' when I was always short on money. I had bought a little Unimat lathe in the late 70's and had a brain fart. 8x57 Mauser ammo was still obscenely cheap by the case, but it was Berdan primed and corrosive at that. I bought a few cases and shot them out of an old 98 with a 'slick' barrel I had bought for $10 at a hardware store pre '68.
I made and hardened the three punches that I mentioned, and deprimed several thousand; time I had, money, not so much. I chucked up each case and removed most of that dimple in the primer pocket with a 1/8" end mill chucked in the tailstock. Then I drilled a flash hole in each case with an appropriate sized drill bit. I also made a primer pocket punch to take out the crimp and make priming a little easier. It worked, and I had lots of brass cases to load for hunting. One thing about those cases, with three flash holes there was never an ignition problem! I also tried a few with the hump removed but no center hole drilled and they shot every time.
Necessity can be a pretty good teacher, if you are desperate for an alternative.
― Douglas Adams
Jay, When the first Blazer ammo came out, it was Boxer primed. My Dad and I found several hundred rounds of it at a local gun range, in .45acp. We reloaded it with .23o grain LRN bullets over 4 grains of Hodgdons Clays, without any problems what so ever........Robin :roll:
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Nothing wrong with doing that. As long as they aren't expanded enough by firing to make chambering a problem, there would be no problem with work hardening the case in the sizing die. Aluminum cases are coated, too, so they shouldn't be run into a sizing die.
The Al cases actually harden a little when fired. They can be reloaded a few times, but the hardening can be worrisome, especially in semi auto pistols where the case is partially unsupported at the head. They really need to be annealed first before reloading to get them back to a softer state, but that annealing requires a temperature controlled oven.
There's plenty of info about reloading the Al cases on the net from reliable sources. Lots of info about neck splits, head separations, and a few cases where the unsupported part of the case head in a semi auto blew out. If I got desperate, I'd load them for my Frankenrifles as the case head is fully supported, but I don't trust them in a semi auto. Revolvers fully support the case, so a blowout from the case head area isn't really possible.
And I have no desire to acquire the nickname 'Lefty' or 'Stumpy'.
― Douglas Adams
Didn't think to specify. I meant the brass case, only. I would just write off the aluminum cartridge, once the bullet was pulled.
I will fear no evil: For I carry a .308 and not a .270
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
Aluminum is running about a dollar a pound. If you shoot a lot of that stuff, it might be smart to save the empty cases to sell as scrap aluminum.
― Douglas Adams
I wish I were rich and could afford to use condoms only once. I throw mine in the dishwasher.
TMI
I will fear no evil: For I carry a .308 and not a .270
Widener's has the excellent IMI 9mm for $13.50 a box of 50 FMJ $260 fer 1000 rounds., HP EX-Star HP defensive ammo for $21.50 a box of 50 too.
Shop around and buy in bulk if your budget allows is the key, I reckon.
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!