Civil Asset Forfiture

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  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,398 Senior Member
    Lance wrote: »
    I take back everything I said. Please tell me what PD union you're part of, so I can vote for someone to bust it.

    Absolutely not. You seem like the sort of fellow I'd prefer to know the LEAST about me.
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  • N454casullN454casull Member Posts: 386 Member
    Lance wrote: »
    if you guys just quit circling the wagons around the rotten apples most of this criticism goes away.

    Sadly this is what we have seen a little in our area. We have had some bad policemen here in the past, very bad. Not just bad at their job but bad people. They are gone now for the most part but not until they had put a very negative light on the PD. They should have been shown the door a lot sooner but with the backing of the Union it took time. And well like I said in that time they made some very bad choices and made the whole PD look bad.

    I think it really is a few rotten apples spoil the barrel. And it's to often we only see the rotten ones. We as a society need to recognize that no all police, ect. are the same and that just like every thing else a bad element exists.


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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    "I live in the south. We don't have massive nepotistic police unions that operate like mafia like in NYC and Philly, etc"

    That is a patently false statement, in NYC, the PBA or the "Patrolman's Benevolent Association, and other associated benevolent organizations do not operate as a criminal Mafia.

    Those benevolent organizations are dues supported and their main mission is to protect an innocent Officer's rights from illegal "political" internal or administrative prosecution, those unions protect innocent Officers with legal council during questioning and during administrative inquiries, and in a court of law as council for the defense.

    Why you would libel legitimate Police unions is indeed hard to fathom.
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  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,398 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    "I live in the south. We don't have massive nepotistic police unions that operate like mafia like in NYC and Philly, etc"

    That is a patently false statement, in NYC, the PBA or the "Patrolman's Benevolent Association, and other associated benevolent organizations do not operate as a criminal Mafia.

    Those benevolent organizations are dues supported and their main mission is to protect an innocent Officer's rights from illegal "political" internal or administrative prosecution, those unions protect innocent Officers with legal council during questioning and during administrative inquiries, and in a court of law as council for the defense.

    Why you would libel legitimate Police unions is indeed hard to fathom.

    You took that way too literal. Probably for an opportunity to start something new.

    And just so you can keep your terminology straight for future prosthelytizing of your opinions of my character, libel is defaming remarks made in circulated publications. Slander is non-published defamation.

    But in was being facetious, also fits under sarcasm.

    And I know what PBA is. My dues are taken out of my paychecks. I've also heard of FOP...considering they were our last primary bargaining agent...
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  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,509 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    In my state, forfeitures go to the county general fund. Forfeitures are rare, very rare. In NC, where I lived for a while, forfeitures from drug seizures went to the school system.

    As for cash, look at your $20 bill and you'll see an electronic strip in it. This is to keep large sums of money from leaving the country by tracking. You should know that large sums of cash taken out of the country is illegal because it frequently goes to foreign interests who don't always have the best interests of the US.Crooked cops? Absolutely. But I'm looking at the issue of crooked cops from the limited view of the three agencies I worked for where corruption did not exist. So it's harder for me to accept in other agencies, although I know it's sometimes sadly done. Questionable seizures? Yes, three examples were given in the article. But they got their money back, so it wasn't a forfeiture. Crooked lawyers? I've seen plenty of them.

    NPR reports the news, but I wouldn't put a lot of trust in them as they have a Liberal agenda of painting America as fundamentally racist. Your mileage may vary, but I have to suspect their motives when they only reported on seizures from minorities.


    You were being sarcastic about this right....
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  • LanceLance Member Posts: 149 Member
    JasonMPD wrote: »
    You took that way too literal. Probably for an opportunity to start something new.

    And just so you can keep your terminology straight for future prosthelytizing of your opinions of my character, libel is defaming remarks made in circulated publications. Slander is non-published defamation.

    But in was being facetious, also fits under sarcasm.

    And I know what PBA is. My dues are taken out of my paychecks. I've also heard of FOP...considering they were our last primary bargaining agent...

    Well, as long as you threw down the grammatical gauntlet, it's proselytizing, Officer Webster.

    Get one of those "word of the day" calendars for Christmas, did ya?
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 10,615 Senior Member
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  • LanceLance Member Posts: 149 Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    Grammar correction is the last resort of scoundrels.

    He started it.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    The forum has one grammar Nazi already- - - -you'll need to figure out another approach to getting noticed around here.
    :rotflmao:
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Funny, talking about a Mafia, comparing it to a Police union, and I am the one trying to stir something up? You just will not admit to being wrong about anything, you sure don't let facts stand in your way, do yah ?
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  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,398 Senior Member
    Lance wrote: »
    Well, as long as you threw down the grammatical gauntlet, it's proselytizing, Officer Webster.

    Get one of those "word of the day" calendars for Christmas, did ya?

    1. My phone auto-corrected to "prosthelytizing". See it did it again. I know how to spell the damn word.

    2. You have 42 posts.

    3. I did not start any grammar correction. I articulated an uncommon word (that you probably looked up yourself); sorry if a vocabulary bothers you. The English vernacular can be challenging at times...even with those pesky Latin-derived words.

    4. If I threw down anything it would be a vocabulary gauntlet. The entire grammatical gauntlet would consist of the entire system and structure of the English language.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Circling the wagon.................

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAYt6dpCgOI
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,365 Senior Member
    If you don't believe that ALL civil asset forfeitures are totally aboveboard and honest, then you're RACIST! And it's all G.W. Bush's fault!
    (and so ends the argument. :tooth:)

    (Fixed it for you, breamfisher.)
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  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,398 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    If you don't believe that ALL civil asset forfeitures are totally aboveboard and honest, then you're RACIST!
    (and so ends the argument. :tooth:)

    Crap...
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,383 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    If you don't believe that ALL civil asset forfeitures are totally aboveboard and honest, then you're RACIST!
    (and so ends the argument. :tooth:)
    You forgot to include George W. Bush....
    Overkill is underrated.
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,956 Senior Member
    You forgot to include George W. Bush....

    Eh, the tide finally flipped sometime in the past few years, as of now everything is officially Obama's fault until at least 2021.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,365 Senior Member
    You forgot to include George W. Bush....

    I fixed it for you.
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,383 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    I fixed it for you.
    Many thanks.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Just saw some discussion on the news about FLA changing or reexamining it's CAF laws from a state Rep and law professor. If I heard them correctly the FLA law says you have to be charged with a felony for them to take your possessions and they are gonna review the state and federal "Sharing" part of the law.

    Interesting and most folks feel it is abused to one extent or the other when it generates money for police dept where they confiscate the property. Quite the incentive. Examples were car rental companies and those who rent planes. If the owners had no involvement or even knew they were gonna break the law why should their property be tied up in legal proceedings for God knows how long just because the cops seized it?

    I hope they make the changed to FLA law to keep the abuses down, one idy is to take away the money the PDs would get ....maybe a state fund? At any rate not a % back to their jurisdiction based on how much they seized. I understand the Feds are thinking of changing the agreements they have with states, as well.

    The origin of this law was in the 80s to seize properties in drug busts/money laundering used by Cocaine dealers. It has spiraled outta control since and surely needs to have some serious re-looking at it.

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0900-0999/0932/Sections/0932.704.html
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  • mohicanmohican Member Posts: 380 Member
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/03/24/the-federal-structuring-laws-are-smurfin-ridiculous/

    http://overlawyered.com/2012/04/update-baltimore-city-paper-on-south-mountain-creamery-case/

    Participating in a farmers market might be a monetary crime. These laws had a genesis in "the war on drugs" and got a boost from "the war on terror".

    Is it me or are these laws in conflict with "no bills of attainder"?
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    Now it appears Michigan is doing the right thing.
    http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/117142053148/michigan-primed-to-end-civil-asset-forfeiture
    48 more to go.

    Hopefully the trend will continue. The jbts will need to find a new funding source for their MRAPs.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,365 Senior Member
    Now it appears Michigan is doing the right thing.
    http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/117142053148/michigan-primed-to-end-civil-asset-forfeiture
    48 more to go.

    Hopefully the trend will continue. The jbts will need to find a new funding source for their MRAPs.

    It would be nice to see that trend go nationwide.
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    As long as asset forfeiture is limited to CONVICTED felons, no problem. There also needs to be mandatory criminal prosecution and optional civil liability of any and all police and other government people proved to be abusing the system, maybe with a 500% possibility of punitive damages over the value of the property seized.
    Jerry
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    It is a cash cow for agencies that divvy up the proceeds, maybe not the original intent and not in every case, but has went that direction more and more.

    They need to remove that incentive and see how much unnecessary confiscation goes on then. I'll venture to say it will be be very small and mostly the criminals will be the ones to feel the pinch, like it should be now.

    Jurisdictions need cash everywhere and like speed traps and outlandish fines they found an easy way to get it. One area I see a lot of push back on is red light/speeding cameras they have even removed in a lot of places because of public outcry.
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    The only good thing I've seen about red light/speed cameras is the fact the ones in Chicago keep catching Rahm Emmanuel's entourage of scofflaws in the act! Even got video of a wrong-way dash down a one way street! He must be a devotee of the Clinton "above the law" doctrine!
    :angry:
    Jerry
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  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,332 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    The only good thing I've seen about red light/speed cameras is the fact the ones in Chicago keep catching Rahm Emmanuel's entourage of scofflaws in the act! Even got video of a wrong-way dash down a one way street! He must be a devotee of the Clinton "above the law" doctrine!
    :angry:
    Jerry

    Seems like almost all democrap politicians are.
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    All politicians. Period. Took the daughter to a dinner in Chicago at the University Club. Left home at about 4:00 pm, got downtown at about 6:55 pm, with only minutes to spare before our reservation. Traffic was horrible,but not for Jeb Bush and his police escort to the United Center. Everybody had to pull over to let him through so he could get to his hockey game on time. Wasn't 'illegal', but definitely shows two separate sets of rules...
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Nice being and Elitist, they are on both sides.
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