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Another reason I'm not a NRA member.

JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior MemberPosts: 6,577 Senior Member
Pretty self-explanatory.

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Con-man-like fear-based "money now" advertising. It's vague, disingenuous and absolutely misleading.

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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    You need to charge your phone
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,534 Senior Member
    And possibly move to an area with better reception
    "To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
  • MississippiBoyMississippiBoy Senior Member Posts: 819 Senior Member
    Looks like there's a software update waiting for you to download or install it, too.....
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,456 Senior Member
    Need to charge your battery as well.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,992 Senior Member
    Meh... It is the NRA's job to raise money to represent gun owners. They are the best game in town no matter how much you disagree with them on certain issues.

    It's easy to say no.

    D
    "A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    GOA gets plenty done without all the pathetic begging. Yes, they request donations, but they don't have a whole crew of professional beggars harassing everybody who opens one of their emails!
    Jerry
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,871 Senior Member
    To me the "I need so much money in so much time" reminds me of Oral Roberts...
    I'm just here for snark.
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,577 Senior Member
    BAMAAK wrote: »
    You need to charge your phone

    It runs on my love of ATT. Note the charge...

    And possibly move to an area with better reception


    Great reception outside the house. And it's on WIFI right now, thank you. :tooth:

    Looks like there's a software update waiting for you to download or install it, too.....

    That's my free anti-virus thing requesting to not be free.

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  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,577 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Exactly, and if not the NRA, are you a member of ANY group that is in Washington fighting for your 2nd amendment rights or are you just taking the ride along free on MY dime?

    Firstly, I vote all pro-gun. Secondly, we are all taking the "free ride" on the blood of American soldiers.

    Thirdly, I should retract that I'm "not" an NRA member because I do subscribe to a basic membership each year when I pay my gun club dues.

    Fourthly, I am a member (PAYING member) of an NRA-affiliated gun club who does make contributions from the club's general fund.

    Fifthly, I'm damned insulted that someone would think that I am enjoying my 2A rights because of "their dime". That should even insult other paying NRA members.

    Lastly, the NRA is not the only game in town and they are moderate compared to other pro-2A organizations and lobbies. They aren't loud enough. They are becoming (in my opinion) politicians, not rights advocates. And they need to STOP "begging" for money.

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  • Johnny rebJohnny reb Member Posts: 715 Senior Member
    I understand where you're coming from. I received 6 calls today myself wanting donations, but without them and other organizations where do you think we would be.
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 25,125 Senior Member
    I believe it supporting the NRA and the GOA
    if you don't support either or both, don't complain if things do not go right and the gun grabbers win.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    If someone does not want to be an NRA member all fine and good, people have always griped about NRA fundraising no worse than the stuff pulled by local volunteer Fire departments or Church groups, but it is OK to shoost the NRA for the same shenanigans ? The same people blasted NRA for their pro stance on civilian machine gun ownership and more gun control.

    NRA does much more, programs such as Instructor training and LE benefits for police widows etc, so who fills that gap? Maybe the stink would be less if NRA was not a Yankee organization etc, I will hold My nose and support NRA and GOA etc....
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • DanChamberlainDanChamberlain Senior Member Posts: 3,395 Senior Member
    JasonMPD wrote: »
    Firstly, I vote all pro-gun. Secondly, we are all taking the "free ride" on the blood of American soldiers.

    Well Jason, don't know if you "served," but one doesn't have to die to be a part of the tide that guarantees the continuation of freedom. There are a lot of guys on this forum who put in our time, and many of us didn't shed any blood, but we submitted our bodies and futures to whatever fate our country's enemies had in store for us. So, if you were there, thank you. If you weren't, no problem. Your ride is "free of charge."

    The NRA isn't perfect, and I'm sure a lot of overhead goes into paying some hefty salaries at the top. Sort of like Wounded Warriors, where only about 15% of the money actually gets to the warriors.

    But you don't hear the liberal jerks every talking about defeating the GOA. You hear them taking about beating the NRA. So, I guess that's the elephant in the room. They're the lobby the libs hate and their the lobby I have to support.

    You make your own choices.

    Dan
    It's a source of great pride for me, that when my name is googled, one finds book titles and not mug shots. Daniel C. Chamberlain
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Thanks Dan !
    You are quite eloquent!

    Those that gripe the most often do the least work for the cause.
    It is like the anti-hunters, they raise no money to protect wetlands, ducks unlimited does, those supporting the antis are wasting their money.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    Jason, we all know how you feel. Point made. And most of us feel the same way. Now, chin up, stiffen your upper lip, be a good lad, and make a donation to the NRA-ILA. Do it today. See now, there's a good gentleman. Thank you.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,456 Senior Member
    I'm not a member of the NRA and that doesn't bother me.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    I am not a member either. I guess I am some sort of second class gun owner. O well.

    Wambli: I don't need your dime to fight for my gun rights

    NN: I will complain whenever I want.
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    I'm not a member of the NRA and that doesn't bother me.

    It's never too late to join. Even so, you can still send them a check. Thanks.
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    I am not a member either. I guess I am some sort of second class gun owner.

    Thou sayest it.
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,577 Senior Member
    Well Jason, don't know if you "served," but one doesn't have to die to be a part of the tide that guarantees the continuation of freedom. There are a lot of guys on this forum who put in our time, and many of us didn't shed any blood, but we submitted our bodies and futures to whatever fate our country's enemies had in store for us. So, if you were there, thank you. If you weren't, no problem. Your ride is "free of charge."

    The NRA isn't perfect, and I'm sure a lot of overhead goes into paying some hefty salaries at the top. Sort of like Wounded Warriors, where only about 15% of the money actually gets to the warriors.

    But you don't hear the liberal jerks every talking about defeating the GOA. You hear them taking about beating the NRA. So, I guess that's the elephant in the room. They're the lobby the libs hate and their the lobby I have to support.

    You make your own choices.

    Dan

    I never said I didn't recognize the sacrifices of Veterans, in fact, I praised them. And I was aggravated by the implication by Wambli that those in disagreement with the NRA's fund raising tactics are just "free riding" the joys of the 2A on his dime like we do nothing in other ways to help out.

    And I'd like to see some salary disclosures at the NRA.

    And I do support the NRA effort even if I disagree with their "hey can I borrow a dollar" approach to fund raising. As I said, I pay a NRA membership with my gun club dues and that club adds other contributions through their general fund. And anytime I am asked (like Midway USA asking you to round up your total for NRA contributions), I do. Because it isn't disingenuously solicited.

    And every time I go 10-8 on patrol I am placing myself in harms way for citizens. But I'm not asking for attention with regards to that...seeing as how we get frickin' hacked to death with hatchets by Jihadist nutbags, I'd rather lay low in civilian attire...

    DoctorWho wrote: »
    Thanks Dan !
    You are quite eloquent!

    Those that gripe the most often do the least work for the cause.
    It is like the anti-hunters, they raise no money to protect wetlands, ducks unlimited does, those supporting the antis are wasting their money.

    Hope you aren't implying that is me...

    I buy every hunting/fishing license/permit/stamp I need yearly (about $120) so over the course of my life I pay MORE money into local hunting/fishing infrastructure than the "lifetime membershipers" pay. I contribute to DU and I support local state conservation efforts because that money is actually used damn well on our local hunting areas.

    horselips wrote: »
    Jason, we all know how you feel. Point made. And most of us feel the same way. Now, chin up, stiffen your upper lip, be a good lad, and make a donation to the NRA-ILA. Do it today. See now, there's a good gentleman. Thank you.

    Oh, I do. But I won't respond to that email.



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  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,663 Senior Member
    A) We NEED a strong gun lobby in DC....

    B) The NRA is IT....no one else (GOA) will ever be close to the power level of the NRA in DC.....

    C) It does take a LOT of $$$$$$$$ to get anything done in DC. It's not an 'NRA lie' about needing the money.......

    D) If the NRA didn't exist, we would be WAY worse off today with (amount and severity) anti-gun legislation......
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • SlanteyedshootistSlanteyedshootist Senior Member Posts: 3,947 Senior Member
    I am a NRA Life member. I am also a member of GOA (Mahalo to Teach for mentioning them often) and OFF (Oregon
    Firearms Federation), our local no compromise gun organization. If someone can find an organization that's perfect let me know. I'll join them too.
    The answer to 1984 is 1776
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,577 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Well I'm insulted that you feel entitled to take pot shots at an organization that I believe in strongly enough to become a life member. I'm also insulted that you would think I'm taking a free ride off the military when I have my two children in active duty. I'm also quite insulted that you think that since you happen to be a member of a club that FORCES you to pay towards safeguarding your rights you feel you are doing your part. I guess we are even...

    I don't have a problem with anyone that does not believe that the NRA is the answer and does not join, but when you insult MY choices then I feel entitled to call out your stupid position.

    Never said I didn't think the NRA wasn't helping...

    Never said you were taking a free ride on veterans without supporting them (we all are if we haven't served...that's fact). I know you have family serving.

    Never said I refused to pay anything NRA related except these damn "pay or lose your guns" emails. The NRA gets my money.

    And you can call my position stupid all you want, but it isn't stupid in fact, only in opinion. In fact, after admitting I mistakenly mistitled the thread, my whole gripe was about the email itself and somewhat about disliking the way the NRA fundraises sometimes.

    I believe in pro-2A action, but I don't believe any lobby is the answer. But I don't shun them in general. But I will gripe about some specific practices of theirs.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    All I learned from this thread is that people are easily insulted. Wow.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,456 Senior Member
    All I learned from this thread is that people are easily insulted. Wow.

    I am insulted by this statement.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 5,032 Senior Member
    I'm a life member of the NRA, I will agree with Jason on one point, and it applies to all organizations that need money, the constant phone calls, e-mails, direct mailing etc., is a pain in the butt. In a previous thread I stated if every gun owner would donate just $12.00 a year they wouldn't be asking as much. The NRA has about 4.5 million members at $12. a year , you do the math $ 54.6 million (I'm guessing correct me if I'm wrong) a year.

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,573 Senior Member
    I believe in the NRA, although it's not perfect. When they got off 2nd A issues a few years ago, I didn't like it and didn't renew my membership, but that was quite a long time ago.

    Politicians? The Second Amendment is a political issue, and those who oppose it are trying to get around it. We need politicians, and that's what you and I vote for.

    I don't belong to GOA, but notice that no other pro-gun association draws the ire of Lefties like the NRA does, which highly recommends it to me. I'm sure it's a good organization. I remember several years back when some Russian chick got on here promoting some faux-pro 2nd Amendment group, telling lies and trying to raise money for defense of a case that had already been decided and dissing the NRA. If anyone remembers that group, I hope you'll respond...I got into it with her. Her partner, also a Russian, I believe, was named Angel something.

    They need money, because money is what fuels Influence, and always has. It's the way the world works. The NRA has a high overhead and it costs a lot to represent our needs.

    I hope you'll change your mind and see reason. I don't always agree with them, but they're the only game in town.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    I am insulted by this statement.
    Well I fart in your general direction, your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberries. Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.
  • sarg1csarg1c Senior Member Posts: 1,707 Senior Member
    A lot of the guys on this post has gone beyond the 8 yrs. required and many would have had not a health problem showed it's self.
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,721 Senior Member
    I'm a life member of the NRA and I don't get all these solicitations that people are whining about. Hell I get a lot of solicitations from LE agency's asking for money. I don't whine about it I throw them in the trash, it really is that simple.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
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