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  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,664 Senior Member
    jaywapti wrote: »
    I'm a life member of the NRA, I will agree with Jason on one point, and it applies to all organizations that need money, the constant phone calls, e-mails, direct mailing etc., is a pain in the butt. In a previous thread I stated if every gun owner would donate just $12.00 a year they wouldn't be asking as much. The NRA has about 4.5 million members at $12. a year , you do the math $ 54.6 million (I'm guessing correct me if I'm wrong) a year.

    JAY

    And there are 270,000,000 to 310,000,000 gun owners in the US...... If they all gave $4 that would be over $1B!!!

    I would love to see how many wheels the NRA could grease with that knid of money......... after they all give themselves raises of course. :roll:
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  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio wrote: »
    And there are 270,000,000 to 310,000,000 gun owners in the US
    I am not sure these numbers are correct. According to the census the US has a estimated population of 317 million as of Jan 1 2014. That number includes children. Maybe you meant guns, and not gun owners. The best I could find is that between 45-55 million households own guns.
  • Johnny rebJohnny reb Member Posts: 715 Senior Member
    The pro gun lobby groups will never have enough money. If we throw out $50million the antis will put out $100million. That's why every penny helps.
  • NRANRA Member Posts: 112 Member
    I donated several thousand dollars to NRA over the past year. You have a choice, NRA and the things they support, or this. Take your choice. These buffoons are working hard to take your guns away, are you working hard to stop them?

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  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    I'm a member, I don't buy a lifetime but I do the 3 year thing every time it comes due. And they try to get me to re-up early and I get all the ILA stuff. Likewise I get solicitations from the RNC, food banks, rice depot and every thing I've ever given money to. I've recently been receiving get out the vote calls from the RNC. And don't even get me started on the carpet bombing emails from Midway, Brownells, Optics Planet Midsouth, and ad nauseum. It's how things work. Competition for our disposable income. It's all very easy to ignore.

    I am of the opinion that our votes mean very little, except maybe at re-election time. But every day in DC, Money talks and BS walks. And the NRA is the 400 lb gorilla in the room. And as someone else said, the NRA does all kinds of things. Instructor training, Eddie Eagle, the list goes on. I get gun insurance, I even got a break on my room at the shoot last time. A lot of ranges get insurance either through them or because they're certified by them.

    Oh and the American Rifleman is worth the cost of membership to me. The last gun I bought my wife came with a $10.00 0ff coupon for membership so now we'll get the American Hunter too.

    So y'all do what you want, but as for me and my house, we're proud members.
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    They need money, because money is what fuels Influence, and always has. It's the way the world works. The NRA has a high overhead and it costs a lot to represent our needs.
    What Gene said. Do not think for a second that the NRA's money comes from the "Evil Gun Industry" like the idiots on TV say. Most of it comes from the members-- this is our voice in politics. NSSF (another good organization) represents the firearm industry.

    Do I like their fundraising efforts? No. They kept calling and calling and I finally got sick of it and vowed to give up my membership if they ever called me again. The calls stopped.

    Me, Mrs. Jerm, and both kids are members. I will also chip in a few bucks to the ILA from time to time on my own terms.
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  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,664 Senior Member
    I am not sure these numbers are correct. According to the census the US has a estimated population of 317 million as of Jan 1 2014. That number includes children. Maybe you meant guns, and not gun owners. The best I could find is that between 45-55 million households own guns.

    Yes........... My bad. Guns, not gun owners.

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  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    :roll2:It's all good.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,813 Senior Member
    I buy five year memberships and have been griping for 40 years about how they raise money. I rarely take their calls or open their mail for the same reasons. But, here's the thing...in my opinion.

    If they were not raising huge sums, they would not be able to caress or coerce politicians into following the Constitution. They do lobby aggressively, which honestly means little more than bribing elected congress-people to keep their promises, or coercing them into changing their stances. It is a crying shame that the people we elect have to be manipulated with money, but it is a sad fact that congress people are so busy raising money and campaigning that they just can't be bothered with reasonable debate on the floor of the House or Senate. No mind is ever changed by logical debate between opposing sides. It is decided by who wields power and what we see on C-Span is rarely anything but posturing.

    They grade politicians according to past votes, and this is what counts, even though it can result in a few 'false positives' here and there, such as the Harry Reid example from his last campaign. He had a 'B' rating from the NRA, despite the fact that he is a sleazebag who will betray this issue or any other if it serves his agenda. In this case I wrote many letters and emails to them stating that if they supported Harry Reid, I would never give them another dime. Apparently, thousands of others did the same, because the NRA pulled their support at the last minute. In fact, in the last issue of American Rifleman, Harry Reid is heavily targeted as being one of the biggest danger to the 2A, which is finally the right way to view him, in my opinion.

    So, to me, supporting the NRA by buying a membership is the rough equivalent of choosing the lesser of two evils when voting. I will vote for whoever can beat the leftists. Likewise, I will pay my membership fees to the NRA, because they do get some results that can be easily identified, despite the fact that I hate the system that requires them to do it the way they do it.
  • Ranch13Ranch13 Senior Member Posts: 820 Senior Member
    Yes the seeking donations for the ILA is aggrivating, I usually give them the standard answer, " don't look at me, you need to get ahold of the chickenshxts back in country where they claim to love their guns but keep sending democrats to the state and US legislatures"
    Like Gene said when you start to see politicians whining about how tuff the lobby effort is , or how some other "gun" organization caused some stupid infringement of our rights to fail,, then maybe I'll take a look.
    But keep in mind, the NRA does a lot more than the political side. There's all the training for civilians and police, the extensive shooting programs, the shooting range design and layouts, the insurance, the list just goes on and on..
    Anybody here ever participated in or won a National Championship match sponsored by GOA??? Actively supporting the shooting sports, that's where the NRA really shines but gets little praise.
  • shootbrownelkshootbrownelk Senior Member Posts: 2,035 Senior Member
    I'm a life member of the NRA, I bought a life membership for my grandson. I always ask people that I hunt & shoot with if they belong. The usual answer is NO. The reasons vary, but a lot say it's because the folks running it get too much $$ in salary.
    If not for the NRA, we'd have had our guns taken away a long time ago. Join the NRA today and be part of the solution, not part of the problem.
  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,992 Senior Member
    I am a lifetime NRA member....

    Our form of government is NOT a democracy. In a true democracy everyone would vote for every law. We are a Republic, represented by our elected officials. As an example, the two Florida senators cannot listen to each of the 19.5 million Floridians.

    Instead I contribute to the NRA, who represents all gun owners and in turn lobbies for me.

    Unless I want to get personally involved in swaying my representatives, I pay someone else to do it.

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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    No one is forced to join the NRA. Ain't it great to be an American :usa::usa::usa:

    Their aggressive tactics can be aggravating, but it is more or less a Sign Of The Times and very similar techniques are used by many organizations.

    Want to toot yer NRA horns, go ahead. Want to not join, that's fine with me too. However, no matter how you look at the NRA, I think what they do is much better for us than getting phone calls/emails/snail mail (or worse yet a knock on the door) from some Gobberment agency saying turn your guns in.

    As demonstrated by many on here, there is more than one way to skin a cat. Voting for pro-gun candidates, supporting other pro 2A groups (locally/state/national) writing to Letters To The Editors,constructive Internet post, engaging in factual gun control conversations and promoting gun safety and encouraging others to take up gun ownership are just some examples.

    For NRA members or non-members being "Holier Than Thou" defending/ their stance isn't necessary to me, just being a member on here in good standing is enough to convince me you are Pro 2A.

    Thank all of you for what you do to promote the lawful and safe use of firearms.

    Hell, I'd even like to have most of you fer neighbors :tooth:
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    I remember the reasons many hunters and trap / skeet enthusiasts would give for not joining NRA, excessive fundraising too hardline of a stance against gun control.

    Too many hunters were against handguns and so called assault weapons, CCW for civilians etc... My hunting rifles / shotguns are ok, I don't need no 30 round magazines etc..... lots of excuses.

    NRA has done much good, some negatives through the years, but mostly, they did good when there was NO OTHER voice for gun owners in Washington D.C. 40 years ago !

    Were you actively fighting gun control 40 years ago ?
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  • SlanteyedshootistSlanteyedshootist Senior Member Posts: 3,947 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    I am insulted by this statement.

    We're all insulted that you were insulted.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Quote Originally Posted by Zee
    I am insulted by this statement.
    We're all insulted that you were insulted.

    Yeah and anyone who insults Slant has insulted me and all the Slants er... Orientals er... er folks with different optical arrangements worldwide..so there! :tooth:
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • gunwalkergunwalker Member Posts: 479 Member
    I have had the opportunity over the years to speak personally with my state senators and my congressman on the subject of firearms legislation. I found that The NRA has two things that no other group doing lobbying has; respect and clout. Like a lot of you, I do not always agree with some of the actions/positions of the NRA. But I don't always agree with my wife either. Point being, it is better to support the organization that can actually get things done. We need to look at the big picture and realize that our fight is nationwide not just in DC. No other group has nationwide clout. As some of you have noted,it takes money to wage any kind of campaign and dues are no longer enough. If Bloomberg and Soros are funding the enemy, what choice does the NRA have but to solicit for more money? The real complaint here should be that very little of this would be necessary if every gun owner were a member.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    There's also the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) that is worthy of our support. They kick butt in courts all over the U.S. fighting for 2nd Amendment rights.

    Here's their website and what they have done/are doing:

    http://www.saf.org/
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,985 Senior Member
    gunwalker wrote: »
    ...I found that The NRA has two things that no other group doing lobbying has; respect and clout. Like a lot of you, I do not always agree with some of the actions/positions of the NRA. But I don't always agree with my wife either. Point being, it is better to support the organization that can actually get things done. We need to look at the big picture and realize that our fight is nationwide not just in DC. No other group has nationwide clout. As some of you have noted,it takes money to wage any kind of campaign and dues are no longer enough. If Bloomberg and Soros are funding the enemy, what choice does the NRA have but to solicit for more money? The real complaint here should be that very little of this would be necessary if every gun owner were a member.
    :agree::that:
    I'm a "lifetime" NRA member; I could have written this. Agree 100% of the time? Impossible. Agree 80% or more? Absolutely! I gladly kick them some money from time to time. After all, us skirted gun owners need to stick together! :tooth:

    Does anyone know the relative merits of SAF, GOA, or JPFO? I know SAF and GOA have both won cases that the NRA wasn't even involved with for whatever reason. Don't know about JPFO, although they sure do make a compelling case on the subject - and they'd know!
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    I too understand where you're coming from but I also know that every major organization has reverted to raising money this way. But the one I do contribute to IS The NRA. They are the stalwart organization in this country and this world that is standing between our rights or the Constitution and the Scumbag Gun Grabbing Antis.

    There's three or four groups out there doing some good, but the NRA is by far in the lead. They have the money, through these donations, to fund the necessary Lobbyist who keep the antis at bay.

    Some people hate Lobbyists and think of them as corrupt. But in the real world that's all we have sometimes to keep the wolves at bay. Think of them as a necessary evil, but in the real world that's how things get done. This is the Job of Second Amendment organizations. And the NRA is the Number One.
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  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Don't answer unknown calls from people whom you can't identify.

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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    I buy five year memberships and have been griping for 40 years about how they raise money. I rarely take their calls or open their mail for the same reasons. But, here's the thing...in my opinion.

    If they were not raising huge sums, they would not be able to caress or coerce politicians into following the Constitution. They do lobby aggressively, which honestly means little more than bribing elected congress-people to keep their promises, or coercing them into changing their stances. It is a crying shame that the people we elect have to be manipulated with money, but it is a sad fact that congress people are so busy raising money and campaigning that they just can't be bothered with reasonable debate on the floor of the House or Senate. No mind is ever changed by logical debate between opposing sides. It is decided by who wields power and what we see on C-Span is rarely anything but posturing.

    They grade politicians according to past votes, and this is what counts, even though it can result in a few 'false positives' here and there, such as the Harry Reid example from his last campaign. He had a 'B' rating from the NRA, despite the fact that he is a sleazebag who will betray this issue or any other if it serves his agenda. In this case I wrote many letters and emails to them stating that if they supported Harry Reid, I would never give them another dime. Apparently, thousands of others did the same, because the NRA pulled their support at the last minute. In fact, in the last issue of American Rifleman, Harry Reid is heavily targeted as being one of the biggest danger to the 2A, which is finally the right way to view him, in my opinion.

    So, to me, supporting the NRA by buying a membership is the rough equivalent of choosing the lesser of two evils when voting. I will vote for whoever can beat the leftists. Likewise, I will pay my membership fees to the NRA, because they do get some results that can be easily identified, despite the fact that I hate the system that requires them to do it the way they do it.

    You just knocked it out of the park again Bro! My exact sentiments and I bet 90% here agree with you also.
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  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    gunwalker wrote: »
    I have had the opportunity over the years to speak personally with my state senators and my congressman on the subject of firearms legislation. I found that The NRA has two things that no other group doing lobbying has; respect and clout. etc etc

    Same feeling here. I appreciate that the NRA is the best pro-gun lobby we have. Plenty of anti-gun candidates have been defeated as a result of the NRA.

    If anyone can show me any, ANY national org that has dumped so many anti-gun people and has wreaked as much havoc on the antis as the NRA, please let me know.

    I agree that the recent "Sam, you need to contribute" ads have been bit annoying. I also must admit that I did send an extra 20 bucks as a result. So, hey...

    I mean, there are conventional products out there that we each enjoy (a certain brand of beer, burger, vehicle, insurance, etc) and yet sometimes that very product may have an annoying commercial. Mostly I just look the other way. If it gets too annoying, yeah, I let them know.

    I've sounded off occasionally to the NRA for some of their pushy ads in the past. Not this time around.

    I do agree with the general annoyance that Jason feels regarding ads like that (I got a couple of similar emails) but I am STILL an NRA member and contribute to the ILA when I can.

    Sometime ya gotta go ahead and let it ride, Gene.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    I have no idea what you do to fight for your rights, I only hope you are doing something to help the rest of us. You can complain all you want but without an organization multiplying the effect of your complaint by adding it to the voices of millions like you, you are just a guy sitting around bitching to no effect.

    Exactly, so we all need to get on the band wagon and help collectively, because realistically, it's the only way to win.
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  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    If you don't like the way the NRA tries to raise money, then please feel free to raise money for them any way you like. If you succeed, I'm sure the NRA will be happy to do it your way. Whining is fine - if you have a genuinely viable solution to the problem. Otherwise, get out your checkbook. And shut up.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Don't answer unknown calls from people whom you can't identify.

    Sent from my new HP ProBook laptop using Xfinity Wifi

    Oh I answer all calls. I don't want to be accused of being an old unfriendly hermit. However I maintain the right to HANG UP! at any time during the conversation......

    :rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,985 Senior Member
    horselips wrote: »
    If you don't like the way the NRA tries to raise money, then please feel free to raise money for them any way you like. If you succeed, I'm sure the NRA will be happy to do it your way. Whining is fine - if you have a genuinely viable solution to the problem. Otherwise, get out your checkbook. And shut up.
    Like!
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    horselips wrote: »
    If you don't like the way the NRA tries to raise money, then please feel free to raise money for them any way you like. If you succeed, I'm sure the NRA will be happy to do it your way. Whining is fine - if you have a genuinely viable solution to the problem. Otherwise, get out your checkbook. And shut up.

    I will also add, as I have always told folks; if you don't like how NRA runs its affairs, run for office and change it from within, much like any uniform service, once you become an officer, you get to see why things are run a certain way.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Oh I answer all calls. I don't want to be accused of being an old unfriendly hermit. However I maintain the right to HANG UP! at any time during the conversation......

    :rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

    I prefer my grumpiness to extend to my simply not answering calls I don't recognize. If they want they can leave a voicemail message, after all.

    I also have this annoying habit of "answering" the phone but simply not speaking, not even saying "hello" -- if the call is automated it triggers by hearing your voice. heh heh
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    I used a method that worked well years ago, I screened calls using my answering machine, just prior to the main message, I recorded the tones used in the message, " the number you have reached has been disconnected etc.... those automated services are programmed to dump your number automatically if that tone is detected, problem solved!!!
    Automatically, no fuss.
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