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BigDanSBigDanS Senior MemberPosts: 6,973 Senior Member
I am sorry there are no pictures, but it happened rather fast. We are in a cabin in Ellijay, GA, in the southern end of the Smokies. I was walking the dog up the road at 7:00 AM and I came on a fresh doe carcass, as in market fresh. I scared two hawks off it and got to look a bit . The road is cut out of a hill side with a steep 60 degree drop on one side and equally steep up on the other.

I returned 2 hours later to check it out with better shoes and a handgun just in case and the entire carcass was gone.

I am thinking we have a black bear in this area, as it was daylight, there are no wolves and I doubt a cat would be out in daylight in this area. The carcass was mostly skinned and gutted and the exposed flesh looked like it could have been in the meat case at the store.

I did not find conclusive drag marks or prints in the road, but the dog is REALLY interested in the scent.

D
"A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:

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  • sakodudesakodude Senior Member Posts: 3,890 Senior Member
    Well you are in Georgia, someone picked up dinner:yikes: Seriously, my sister in law has a place in Ellijay and has never mentioned seeing bear. Certainly doe not mean there aren't any, but they have yet to see one.

    Sako
  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,973 Senior Member
    If I had not scared the hawks off it while walking the dog I would not have even seen it. I had to look over the edge and that is why I cam back with better shoes.

    D
    "A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,728 Senior Member
    Never heard of an animal that skinned and gutted a deer. Maybe it's Bigfoot.
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  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Senior Member Posts: 2,725 Senior Member
    Ellijay is about 30-35 miles from my home, Blairsville. You're on the western edge of the Chattahoochee National Forest, and I guarantee you that the black bear population is high. No wolves, and no panthers. But.....doesn't sound like a bear had anything to do with this. Sounds more like you may have scared off a hunter or poacher if does aren't in season---but I would think they are. Possibly a road kill? Gunshot wounds?
  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,973 Senior Member
    Rich , I could not examine it closely. The torso was facing downhill and I could not see the head. The rear legs were attached but lose and the skin over the hindquarters was gone and muscle exposed. Hawks and crows were feeding on it and then the 60-80 lb. carcass was gone.
    "A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,109 Senior Member
    I keep telling ya....................Aliens!

    They probably watched what happened in Ferguson, figured out that on planet Earth the animals live in cities and thought the deer was the most intelligent life form left on the planet.............

    Seen any bright lights lately or lost a few hours of memory? .................Feel like you had a prostate check last night?..........Getting flashbacks of a 'Nancy Pelosi' look alike leaning over your prone body.? ( These are just some of the indicators)
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,708 Senior Member
    I've heard of the issue down there, it is Grassman.

    You should leave that area immediately.
    Shut up-----KAREN; OK Cynthia
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    Probably a road kill; I've seen a few deer partially skinned in deer/vehicle collisions. As to what took it; could have been a bear as woodsrunner is right about that being prime bear habitat. I have relatives in Ellijay out on the boonies and they see bears pretty often, especially in the fall. My 1st cousin owns a big apple orchard there and the bears know a good thing when they find it. They regularly tear down his electric fencing to get to the apples in the fall. Could also have been a bunch of coyotes that came along and dragged the carcass out of sight. They have plenty of them in that area, too.
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,728 Senior Member
    Don't worry about getting probed by aliens, worry about hillbillies wearing overalls.
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  • NRANRA Member Posts: 112 Member
    All jokes aside, "stuff" is in the woods that some folks acknowledge, and some folks don't.

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  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    Never heard of an animal that skinned and gutted a deer. Maybe it's Bigfoot.

    Well, if it is, Obama will immediately give it a green card plus medicare and an SS card.
  • USUFBUSUFB Senior Member Posts: 830 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Well, if it is, Obama will immediately give it a green card plus medicare and an SS card.

    Ha!

    Dan, I'm not saying it was aliens, but...
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Well, if it is, Obama will immediately give it a green card plus medicare and an SS card.

    If it's Bigfoot, then Bigfoot is an undocumented American citizen who will be immediately hounded by the IRS for back taxes, SS and SSI payments, and failure to obtain a SSN, and Homeland Security will have him put on the No Fly list as one of those crazy sovereign citizens and also as a possible terrorist with ties to ALF, ELF and Earth First!.
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  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Senior Member Posts: 2,725 Senior Member
    Was the throat ripped or torn open? In all my years cruising timber and working with loggers, I have found two deer that I think may have been killed by bobcats. Both were does, probably young (small) or injured, and both had the throat bitten and torn. Both were covered over with leaves and debris off the forest floor to hide them. Always figured it was a bobcat since we didn't (and don't yet) have panthers.

    If the doe that you found was injured then its possible that a bobcat killed it. Long shot, and not highly likely, but possible. Several coyotes will take down a severely injured deer, but it's got to be hurt before this happens. There are coyotes all around Ellijay and in the Mountains. A possibility, but again not highly likely. (Note: all experts on predator/prey relationships get your research facts together and be ready to prove it before you take issue with what I say about coyote/deer predation :nono:)

    Interesting that a couple of hawks were on the doe. Eagles and buzzards after a day or so, but a little out of the ordinary for hawks. But....with migration populations down from up north the hawks are fairly thick now and everything in the woods has to make a living!
  • KENFU1911KENFU1911 Senior Member Posts: 1,052 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    If it's Bigfoot, then Bigfoot is an undocumented American citizen who will be immediately hounded by the IRS for back taxes, SS and SSI payments, and failure to obtain a SSN, and Homeland Security will have him put on the No Fly list as one of those crazy sovereign citizens and also as a possible terrorist with ties to ALF, ELF and Earth First!.
    Wrong.......New Native American.....Treaty........large reservation..........gubment grants...and the New...Sasquatch casino and hotel..............all you can eat buffet of road kill.........
    My idea of a warning shot is when the 2nd bad guy watches his 1st buddy go down....
  • FishnTimFishnTim New Member Posts: 24 New Member
    Based on what you describe - "mostly skinned and gutted" - my guess is a poached or wasted deer carcass discarded over the side of the ravine. I have heard of people killing a deer and simply taking the tenderloins and back straps.
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,621 Senior Member
    FishnTim wrote: »
    Based on what you describe - "mostly skinned and gutted" - my guess is a poached or wasted deer carcass discarded over the side of the ravine. I have heard of people killing a deer and simply taking the tenderloins and back straps.


    This is what I thought also, were the loins still on the carcass?
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  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,973 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 wrote: »
    This is what I thought also, were the loins still on the carcass?

    I could not tell from my quick look. Just thinking about it again, it does not matter what killed it. What dragged away carcass? Nothing small, for sure.

    D
    "A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    I don't think anyone can categorically state that there are no big cats in an area. Cougars are on the move all of the time and are rarely seen by humans, even when they are known to exist in an area. One can turn up almost anywhere if there is a food supply and low pressure from humans. Beyond that, bobcats or foxes are capable of taking down a sick deer. Also, deer die for different reasons that are more or less natural.

    The most interesting part of this, to me, is that hawks would be hanging around a carcass like crows or buzzards. I have not seen this, and assumed they preferred killing their own smaller prey, but beyond that, crows tend to gang up on hawks and chase them off, despite the fact that a hawk can easily kill a lone crow.
  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Senior Member Posts: 2,725 Senior Member
    I lean toward someone taking select cuts ie back straps and walking away from the remainder. Fairly typical in the Mountains where dragging a deer sized animal out of the woods can be a chore! I'll never drag another deer or bear down through laurel thickets and ravines I assure you!

    Now a few words about panthers: I don't keep up with it since I've been pretty well retired out of the woods and wildlife management projects for the past 5-6 years. When I was "active duty" in the woods here in the Deep South I did have a special interest in the increasing panther population. I was never a part of any release oriented research, but I was good friends with several of the biologists who worked on these projects, so I had pretty good info on what's going on. The big cats are spreading east primarily from the excess panther populations in the Dakotas and north-central Nebraska (DNA confirms this). We have good to very good to about excellent panther habitat east of the Mississippi with plenty of Whitetails and feral hogs for dinner. Some of the biologists will even say there is a small breeding population in Missouri, especially in the southeast quadrant of the state. Everything south and east of this geographic area is very good habitat, so it's just a matter of time (next 25-50 years) before the land will probably have the carrying capacity for big cats filled. The Texas Big Bend cats are also moving east, and DNA evidence from Arkansas shows both Dakota and Texas cats present. (Arkansas is building up pretty good even considering the massive highway-roadway system in the state!) Hybrid vigor will only get better as these two groups exchange genes through breeding. Forget the Florida big cat population. Very little will ever come out of this micro-small group which would probably be extinct now had Texas Big Bend cats not been released into South Florida 12-15 years ago. Like "snake", I talk an awful lot! I've got things to do, and I'm here running my mouth when I oughta be working!
  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,973 Senior Member
    Stopped into the local gun shop and talked with the staff. Almost certainly a black bear. I am leaning towards a tossed hunter carcass, but certainly a bear would have been the reasonable assumption to remove it. The local guys I spoke with said the bear population hereabouts is too big. Although they have a bear season, each kill must be registered and it is too much of a hassle to drive the distance to the only two certified stations. Hence, there are an excess of black bears.

    The local gun shop gets a big thumbs up. It has a full 'smith shop attached, and when I saw a lathe and a mill I knew I was in a real shop.

    D
    "A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Back before Tennessee went to an online check-in system, it was not uncommon to find an abandoned deer carcass either beheaded in the case of a big-antlered buck, or a doe with the backstraps, loins, and maybe the front shoulders removed. Poachers or guys just too lazy to do the check-in procedure would take the prime cuts and toss the rest.
    Jerry
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,026 Senior Member
    FishnTim wrote: »
    Based on what you describe - "mostly skinned and gutted" - my guess is a poached or wasted deer carcass discarded over the side of the ravine. I have heard of people killing a deer and simply taking the tenderloins and back straps.

    ^This.

    I used to know a guy that was rather lax about seasons, daylight.....things like that. From trigger-pull to two miles away with backstraps and tenderloins took him about five minutes.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
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  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,396 Senior Member
    NN wrote: »
    I've heard of the issue down there, it is Grass, man.

    You should leave that area immediately.
    So you think its a hallucination??
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,728 Senior Member
    NRA wrote: »
    All jokes aside, "stuff" is in the woods that some folks acknowledge, and some folks don't.

    Here is a state trooper

    How do we know this guy is a state trooper, and what is his name?
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,708 Senior Member
    So you think its a hallucination??


    Oh no, I got that from the show Mountain Monsters
    Shut up-----KAREN; OK Cynthia
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    NN wrote: »
    Oh no, I got that from the show Mountain Monsters

    Even if ALL the people on that show Mountain Monsters pooled all their brain cells, they'd have a negative neuron balance in their neuron checking account. That's what they get for drinking bad shine and taking non pharmaceutical quality drugs from questionable sources.
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  • shootbrownelkshootbrownelk Senior Member Posts: 2,035 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Well, if it is, Obama will immediately give it a green card plus medicare and an SS card.
    Sam, you forgot the driver's/voters license.
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