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skwirrelskwirrel MemberPosts: 180 Member
There is a point where hunting becomes shooting. That point lies somewhere between hunting on state land with an open sight .357 revolver and overlooking a deer ranch with a Tracking Point rifle. Equipment efficacy and required hunting skills are inversely proportional. Tom Beckstrand did a very good job explaining how the Tracking Point rifle works, but arguing that there is sport in it is laughable.
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,127 Senior Member
    There is a line there somewhere. I am sure that where that line is, is different depending on the person. Canned hunts? I am all for them! The landowner (farmer) has every right to make a living off his land. The only difference is that he lets the customer kill his livestock on site as opposed to letting a slaughter house do it.

    Then there is everything else in all kinds of shades of grey. It is all good to me.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,624 Senior Member
    Two extreme examples in the OP. I think most of us here would not use a Tracking Point rifle. A game farm hunt is not what I'd go with, but that's me.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,931 Senior Member
    I have never heard the term " tracking point rifle" so what exactly is it ?

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,624 Senior Member
    jaywapti wrote: »
    I have never heard the term " tracking point rifle" so what exactly is it ?

    JAY

    Google it and you'll be surprised. It "locks in" on the target, like a guided missile. Got a lot of technology on top of the rifle.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,535 Senior Member
    jaywapti wrote: »
    I have never heard the term " tracking point rifle" so what exactly is it ?

    JAY

    It's an advanced ranging/shot compensation computer driven optic. Second to that, it electronically controls the sear.

    First you find your target it and "tag" it with the laser range finder. The optic is calibrated to your bullet load. Then enter wind if you want. The target will maintain and red dot on the target. It updates that tracking dot dozens of times per second so it actually tracks the target if it Is moving.

    Once ready, unsafe the rifle and press and hold the trigger. Then, move the static reticle back to the tracking dot on the target and in the instant the static reticle center move over the tracking dot, bang!

    It's very effective according to the videos and commentary I've read. I see more military applications once they make it lighter. It takes a LOT, if not all, of the intrinsic skill out of long range shooting. I saw a video review done by a couple never-shot-a-gun-ever computer nerds. They were hitting stuff 1000 yards away in minutes, not years.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,931 Senior Member
    Gene and Jason, thanks for the heads up, I can definitely see where it would be great in a military or survival situation, but I would never use one for hunting, it would take all the fun out of hunting and negate all the skills I've learned over the years.

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • HvyMaxHvyMax Senior Member Posts: 1,786 Senior Member
    I shot my first deer with a WW2 Mauser Sniper Rifle at several hundred yards. Almost didn't seem right. I talked my Mom into getting me the Kentucky Rifle Kit for Christmas and used that and the Kentucky Pistol for about 30 years before I tried slugs.
    Wal Mart where the discriminating white trash shop.
    Paddle faster!!! I hear banjos.
    Reason for editing: correcting my auto correct
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,048 Senior Member
    Does it come with an 'App' to automatically download the video to Youtube?
    What about a direct feed to Twitter ?
    Can the video feed be logged on to facebook live?
    Can it be mounted on a robot with IR capability and allow the hunter to watch the hunt on his 60" big screen while he lays around on the couch drinking beer?
    ( we really do need a sarcasm smiley)


    I can see it as being a real asset to the military but as for hunting, we have already lost ( for the most part) a lot of the skill and techniques that have been passed down from previous generations.
    Things like stalking, tracking, bushcraft, etc.
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,634 Senior Member
    If it makes a clean kill it is ok with me.
    Shut up-----KAREN; OK Cynthia
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,490 Senior Member
    Regarding the rifles, the ethics of using this piece of tech are an individual choice. I know some hunters who have disdain for cover scent, trail cameras, game calls, scent attractants, and other things that many consider indispensable to the hunting experience. It's all an ethical choice and ethics are a personal decision.

    I also don't see it being that big of a deal. The rifles start at $7,500 for an AR, $13,000 for a .308 and go up from there. The cost alone will mean it's a rarely encountered item on the game fields.

    If they want to impress me, make one that'll work on a 12 gauge for wingshooting.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • HvyMaxHvyMax Senior Member Posts: 1,786 Senior Member
    orchidman wrote: »
    Does it come with an 'App' to automatically download the video to Youtube?
    What about a direct feed to Twitter ?
    Can the video feed be logged on to facebook live?
    Can it be mounted on a robot with IR capability and allow the hunter to watch the hunt on his 60" big screen while he lays around on the couch drinking beer?
    ( we really do need a sarcasm smiley)


    I can see it as being a real asset to the military but as for hunting, we have already lost ( for the most part) a lot of the skill and techniques that have been passed down from previous generations.
    Things like stalking, tracking, bushcraft, etc.

    Yes pretty much. It would probably be much better mounted and guided by a pan/tilt mechanism. There is almost no real human input
    Wal Mart where the discriminating white trash shop.
    Paddle faster!!! I hear banjos.
    Reason for editing: correcting my auto correct
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,624 Senior Member
    We legislate ethics. Seasons, bag limits, numerous other limitations come from ethical considerations.

    So it's not unheard of to legislate what people hunt with, in fact it's done in almost (if not every) state. I don't see a spate of these being used for hunting, true. Some things are outside the pale when it comes to recreational hunting.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • HvyMaxHvyMax Senior Member Posts: 1,786 Senior Member
    May as well use drones for hunting.
    Wal Mart where the discriminating white trash shop.
    Paddle faster!!! I hear banjos.
    Reason for editing: correcting my auto correct
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,048 Senior Member
    HvyMax wrote: »
    May as well use drones for hunting.

    I thought democrats were against hunting...........
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,788 Senior Member
    Unless it could be honestly proven that it is a greater threat to game populations than conventional hunting methods, it's a personal choice, in my opinion.
  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,249 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    Unless it could be honestly proven that it is a greater threat to game populations than conventional hunting methods, it's a personal choice, in my opinion.

    This. Might also be used by hunters who are handicapped possibly?
    The fire service needs a "culture of extinguishment not safety" Ray McCormack FDNY
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,535 Senior Member
    HvyMax wrote: »
    Yes pretty much. It would probably be much better mounted and guided by a pan/tilt mechanism. There is almost no real human input

    It's actually 100% human input. It's not a drone. There is a lot of human interaction, but a lot of technology, too. The human physical input is still all there, but the mental computation is now automated.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,535 Senior Member
    This. Might also be used by hunters who are handicapped possibly?

    Good idea.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • skwirrelskwirrel Member Posts: 180 Member
    This. Might also be used by hunters who are handicapped possibly?
    That may be the only sporting way to use this rifle: maybe.
    Live long and prosper.
  • skwirrelskwirrel Member Posts: 180 Member
    cpj wrote: »
    That's your, wait for it, waaaaaaaaaaiiiiiit for it.......opinion.
    Yes.
    Live long and prosper.
  • HvyMaxHvyMax Senior Member Posts: 1,786 Senior Member
    This. Might also be used by hunters who are handicapped possibly?

    Blind people could hunt now!
    Wal Mart where the discriminating white trash shop.
    Paddle faster!!! I hear banjos.
    Reason for editing: correcting my auto correct
  • shootbrownelkshootbrownelk Senior Member Posts: 2,035 Senior Member
    HvyMax wrote: »
    Blind people could hunt now!

    Yep, I wouldn't mind having Jose' Feliciano, Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder in the field.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,490 Senior Member
    Michigan already has a program for blind hunters. Outfit a rifle or handgun with a laser sight, have a sighted person observe the dot on the animal and call the shot.

    http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,4570,7-153-10366_41825_51108-197553--,00.html
    Overkill is underrated.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,490 Senior Member
    Yeah. The limitations of the laser sight are range and visibility. With the tracking point system, if you have another monitor so someone other than the shooter could watch the sight picture you could shoot at longer distance.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    That is pretty cool Bream. As you may know my daughter is blind, and I have been thinking of different ways to involve her in my favorite hobby, and maybe it could be one of hers as well.
  • HvyMaxHvyMax Senior Member Posts: 1,786 Senior Member
    Yeah. The limitations of the laser sight are range and visibility. With the tracking point system, if you have another monitor so someone other than the shooter could watch the sight picture you could shoot at longer distance.
    Yeah just set it up with a pan tilt and anyone with a computer could hunt from home. So easy a blind quadripelegic can use it.
    Wal Mart where the discriminating white trash shop.
    Paddle faster!!! I hear banjos.
    Reason for editing: correcting my auto correct
  • toymachinetoymachine Senior Member Posts: 761 Senior Member
    If the overtime keeps up, I might have to snag one just for giggles. Another toy for long-range prairie dog control, just to compliment the conventional rifles. Something kind of interesting but most guys wouldn't invest in. Of course if that lawsuit to re-open the machinegun registry succeeds, all bets are off.
    "Is 'milk bottle' literally a racist term?"
    "It is now." - Jack Fraggs
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,788 Senior Member
    Of all the 'gun technologies' that the feds have taken it upon themselves to regulate, the one that aggravates me the most is the hoops they make you jump through to own a suppressor. Even the socialist governments that don't allow handguns allow suppressed rifles, but we have to pay through the nose and invite the BATF into our lives to have one, because of a few crappy gangster movies, ~80 years ago. :roll:
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