Home defense shooting near by

bullsi1911bullsi1911 ModeratorPosts: 9,662 Senior Member
http://kxan.com/2015/01/05/apd-investigating-suspicious-death-in-south-austin/

Holy... I KNOW the homeowner. Great guy, very dedicated to his family. I won't post more about him, but wow.

Knowing him, and HOW I know him... that was just a really bad choice of doors to kick in.
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    It says "suspicious" in the URL, I hope he does not get in any trouble.

    The story is not complete, it does not say if the intruder was armed or unarmed, and that is a tough call, do you really fool around with an an uncompliant unarmed intruder already inside your home ?
    However, how do you justify your actions? a tough call.....
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,551 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    However, how do you justify your actions? a tough call.....

    If he kicks your door in and crosses the threshold, he's probably 'paid for,' in most of the state. Austin? Who knows?
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    I agree, it is just that in some places, a stupid DA might push the issue, I don't think one should need to wait till stupid grabs a family member and starts choking them or worse.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,662 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    It says "suspicious" in the URL, I hope he does not get in any trouble.

    That news station uses the same URL when they update the stories. When it was initially reported at 7:AM, it was a possible stabbing or shooting.



    By Tx law, if he broke through the door than the homeowner is in the clear. But being in Austin with our statist police chief and socialist DA...
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,662 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Victim selection process=fail.

    Lemme guess....this was in a "safe" neighborhood, right?

    Of course.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Victim selection process=fail.

    Lemme guess....this was in a "safe" neighborhood, right?

    I agree, I am not convinced of need when it comes to carry, hence, I carry a holstered sidearm everywhere I can... oh wait, I live in a sewer anyway, lol, a moot issue...
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  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    I agree, I am not convinced of need when it comes to carry, hence, I carry a holstered sidearm everywhere I can... oh wait, I live in a sewer anyway, lol, a moot issue...

    So the guy who defended himself and his family was wearing his sidearm in a holster? I missed that item, sorry, my bad.

    Each person who's prepared to use a firearm to defend his home makes a judgment regarding the "danger level" or "threat level" of the environment and then prepares in whichever way, whether wearing in a holster or not. Some folks live in areas that are so dangerous that they feel the need to be armed with a holstered sidearm all the time while at home. Some folks live in areas that are not as dangerous and have made the decision that wearing a sidearm while in the shower isn't necessary.

    I've got ZERO complaints about those who've decided that the area in which they live is so dangerous that they have decided to wear a holstered firearm all the time while at home. I have NO criticism of them at all. And I can understand how they feel --- constant danger from breakins all through the area where they live, roaming bands of thugs, daily home invasions just down the street or nearby. Were I to live in that sort of a neighborhood, I'd probably have a holstered firearm too. Heck, I'd probably not be satisfied with that -- after all, it does take time to draw a firearm. I'd likely be holding the pistol in my hand all the time, safety off, finger on the trigger, ready to fire the moment that the roaming band of thugs chooses my home. But at the very least, I'd certainly have that gun on my hip, ready all the time.

    I of course don't live in a "safe" neighborhood. I don't know what that is. And I don't think there is any such thing as a really "safe" neighborhood. Maybe cpj can tell us. I do however know that the danger level where I live isn't so high that I feel the need to wear a sidearm all the time. Is that somehow wrong? Of course not. Just as it's not wrong for another person to decide that the place where he lives is so dangerous that he needs constantly to have a holstered gun ready on the quick.

    Just realize this: I do NOT criticize that person, the person who surveyed his neighborhood's danger level, and decided he needs to wear a holstered gun all the time at home. So do NOT criticize me if I decide that my own neighborhood is less dangerous such that having a handgun nearby is enough. Each of us has made a judgment based on the danger level of the place we live and I do NOT criticize someone's decision regarding the relative danger of where he lives. This is a personal decision, and neither is wrong or right. It depends upon the area in which we live.

    From reading this story, the guy did NOT have a holstered firearm on his side and ready, correct? And yet, somehow, he was prepared sufficiently such that he defended himself. How could this possibly happen?

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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Sam, how can you be so obtuse, is it deliberate ? Re-read my post Professor, I never said the householder had a holstered sidearm, I stated that I Iike to have a holstered sidearm on me at all times.
    I know that a gun can be havoc on some peoples girlish figure, go figure....

    Consider yourself criticized ! Ha ha !
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Sam is very selective in discerning, he understands things in a way that is convenient to the continuity of his endless debates.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    There were times that I was not so careful and went unarmed off duty, so this one time, I was out injured, LODI, and just before I left my apartment, I grabbed my S&W Chief, no reload / speed loader, like what for ????? I won't need a reload.
    I go visit my BFF Thomas in Staten Island, and we go out to lunch to our favorite Indian restaurant, for curry dishes.

    On the way back, the long way, we pass by a soccer field, lots of Mexicans playing, so Thomas rolls down the window and foolishly shouts a comment about immigration etc..... suddenly two cars block me off, one in front and one in back, lots of Mexicans making gang signs and yelling stuff, I could not blame them for getting angry, I pull out my tin (badge) & ID, and shout at them to let me through, with little to no effect and I am thinking how bad it is going to go if I have to shoot someone, maybe several someones, the usual shooting review board, perhaps some disciplinary junk, a suspension or desk time or worse, oh boy, and the Mexicans are still advancing, so with a heavy heart, I pull out my S&W Chief and take my favorite modified stance alternating between the guys in front and back yelling at them in Spanish.

    This had an immediate effect, they started backing off, getting back into their cars, I was happier to have them off my back, than under arrest, and thankful no other LEOs chose to show up....

    Nice neighborhood, and those normally nice guys would have minded their own business, if not interfered with, but a stupid BFF acting stupidly caused something unexpected to happen.

    I have proof positive if any be needed that I am not paranoid, I do not carry extra magazines with my Glock !!! well, that is because I do not have magazine pouches, once I get a pair, I will carry two spare magazines.......
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    The "safe" comment was sarcasm, Sam.

    Er, yeah, I got that. Duh. The idea is that there is no real "safe" but simply variances of danger or safety, as I said, a sliding scale from 0 to 100, perhaps. And that each person makes an individual decision regarding this, and what to do about it. Nobody said that a place was "safe" -- did I? I meant to say that there are RELATIVE degrees of safety. Double Duh.

    I never feel totally "safe" regardless of the environment. Okay, maybe if I'm in jail... ha ha

    I just don't feel so much in danger that I think that my home is in such jeopardy that I need to walk around with a holstered gun. Other people apparently live in a far more dangerous environment and have decided to carry on their person all the time. Okay, keen. That is their decision. And I do NOT criticize their decision to do such.

    Several decades ago, early 80s, I briefly lived in a far more shabby apartment complex. I was out of there within 4 months but it was ratty, compared to what I expected. Drunks all the time, stumbling back from bars at 3am, yelling, fighting, pounding on the wrong doors, that sort of junk. And I carried my Ruger .357 around with me all the damn time. So I totally understand the decision of others who think that they need to carry a firearm while in their home. I went through that sort of turmoil till I found an much better place to live. So yeah, totally I understand. But nowadays? Not that sort of constant craziness and danger. So I've a couple of .45s, one next to my recliner where I spend lots of time, the other next to the bed.

    Last time I genuinely had to "display" was a bit similar to what someone here recently posted -- having to show his 1911 to "learn" the guy to get lost. One summer night it was about 3am, I was up late watching a movie, kicking back, and a knock on my door. First thing I did was reach for the XD .45. Next thing, and yeah, I shouldn't have done this, but I simply opened my front door. There was a guy selling "perscriptions" to the Houston Chronicle. Right. He saw the big pistol (it's the tactical model) and turned away and took off.

    Dumb for me to open the door? Yeah. But I then phoned the cops, reported the guy, and they picked him up a couple blocks away.

    Regardless of the stupidity of my opening the door, this was the last sort of encounter I've had since. That was maybe 5-7 years ago. So for me to go years without so much of a disturbance indicates that the area where I live isn't that treacherous. Yeah, we did have a neighbor 1/3 block away who got several neighbors complaining about the yelling and late parties, cops coming there repeatedly, eventually the guy got evicted and that was it.

    So my own home area is "reasonably" sedate. Of course I do have those .45s nearby and I don't answer the door late nights. But nobody has been banging on my door either. "Safe?" No, of course not. "Relatively sedate?" Yeah. But believe me, if I lived in a far more dangerous environment, similar to others, those who feel the need to walk around at home with a holstered firearm? I would not hesitate a second to do so.

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    For someone who "isn't criticizing" people who choose a different level of home defense than you do, you seem to frequently bring it up, in multiple threads, and in a tone that appears suspiciously smart ass. Honestly, you bloviate on this topic with a level of verbosity that would make even the most seasoned politician say "Dude! W T F?"

    Here's the deal, **** --- I am only responding to others who post a criticism FIRST. Note for example the "safe" comment? YOU made it before I had posted one single comment. Right? RIGHT?

    But then, when I reply, I'm the bad guy. Someone has his head in a dark recess and it's not me. Do yourself a favor and read through the posts in this thread. Notice who posted the snarky "safe" comment? You did. And prior to that, I had NOT repeat NOT NOT NOT made a single comment.

    So, get a clue, dude: YOU started the spit fight. I only responded to what others posted first. This is so bloody typical that it gets a bit boring, but here's the thing: You and others think you can toss screw-bombs into the thread and make sarcastic comments that relate to me ("safe" -- and you bloody know that you were trying to gig me on this) but then, when I respond, I'm the bad guy.

    Well, I'm not gonna back off, pal. If you toss junk my direction, I'll toss it right back.

    READ THE THREAD! Look for who first said something catty. You did. I'm just not gonna sit back and let you or anyone else toss junk my way and not toss it back. Now if the mods want to complain to me, so be it. I'm open to that. But just realize that I do NOT start these little flame wars. This time, YOU did. But then, when I come back on it, I'm the bad guy. My reaction that that criticism is "stuff it!"

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,499 Senior Member
    Sam, you need a lot of this.
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  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,499 Senior Member
    Bullsi, hope it works out for your friend. Definitely a situation nobody ever wants to be in. I'd have done the same thing
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,662 Senior Member
    jbohio wrote: »
    Bullsi, hope it works out for your friend. Definitely a situation nobody ever wants to be in. I'd have done the same thing

    Thanks. One of the news channels has released his name and what he does. Sucks for his family and him.

    Since it is public knowledge now, he is a self defense trainer, and someone I have trained with. Good guy, great family man.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Please add me to the list of folks wishing him well, he can E-Mail me if he would like to contact someone that has been through the aftermath of personal defense actions.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,658 Senior Member
    jbohio wrote: »
    Sam, you need a lot of this.
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    FIFY jb
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,651 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Here's the deal, **** --- I am only responding to others who post a criticism FIRST. Note for example the "safe" comment? YOU made it before I had posted one single comment. Right? RIGHT?

    But then, when I reply, I'm the bad guy. Someone has his head in a dark recess and it's not me. Do yourself a favor and read through the posts in this thread. Notice who posted the snarky "safe" comment? You did. And prior to that, I had NOT repeat NOT NOT NOT made a single comment.

    So, get a clue, dude: YOU started the spit fight. I only responded to what others posted first. This is so bloody typical that it gets a bit boring, but here's the thing: You and others think you can toss screw-bombs into the thread and make sarcastic comments that relate to me ("safe" -- and you bloody know that you were trying to gig me on this) but then, when I respond, I'm the bad guy.

    Well, I'm not gonna back off, pal. If you toss junk my direction, I'll toss it right back.

    READ THE THREAD! Look for who first said something catty. You did. I'm just not gonna sit back and let you or anyone else toss junk my way and not toss it back. Now if the mods want to complain to me, so be it. I'm open to that. But just realize that I do NOT start these little flame wars. This time, YOU did. But then, when I come back on it, I'm the bad guy. My reaction that that criticism is "stuff it!"

    Time for the guardian to chime in.
    Give it a break Sam. You have these tantrums when ever someone don't see it your way.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,730 Senior Member
    Guy definitely broke down the door to the wrong house. I hope your friend comes out of this smelling like a rose legal wise. Even where it is, I think it would be hard to press any charges against him. I just hope the family/friends of the bad guy don't seek any retaliation.
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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,658 Senior Member
    Bullsi, sounds like a MAJOR fail in the victim selection process.

    Hope your friend's able to get through the aftermath okay (both legally and emotionally)
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Sometimes the victor needs to talk, I used to do post critical incident stress debriefing.....
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,802 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    I agree, it is just that in some places, a stupid DA might push the issue, I don't think one should need to wait till stupid grabs a family member and starts choking them or worse.

    Well, Austin has a stupid DA are Two, Remember a guy named Tom Delay? And A DA named Ronnie Earle? Austin has some very conservative gun owners and hunters, but is controlled by a bunch of libtard Nazis. My mother was born and raised in Austin and I spent a lot of time there up until about 25 years ago when my grand mother sold her house at 908 Blanco and moved in with my mother's sister down here at Seadrift. I still have a couple of cousins and their families there, and one daughter and Son in Law and grand kids and I go up there probably twice a year for a couple of days at a time. It's a crazy place as far as traffic goes. I hate their toll way because it has few live people to pay toll after hours and if you don't pay it when you get the notice in the mail the price doubles until you pay. But I'll always love the place for its natural beauty and our state capitol is there, a great historical visit for sure. If they could just get rid of all the Libtards

    Edited to clarify: I meant that the price of the toll doubles if you don't pay immediately. Sometimes with the volume of junk mail we get nowadays it can get lost in the muddle. My wife had one such toll ticket come in the mail and it got rat holed in a drawer. I hate it coming in the mail like that. In Houston you pay as you go. There is a manned toll both at every toll station 24/7. She was 3 months late (Oh yeah the ticket was over a month late arriving here). A $1.97 toll ended up costing her something like $15. Ridiculous.
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    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    No you self righteous pompous ass, I was most certainly not in any ing way, shape, or form referring to you with the "safe" comment.

    Okay, to whom were you referring then, with the "safe" comment. It was definitely sarcastic for some reason. Which other member here was the point of your comment?

    By the way, I didn't call you names. I guess it's okay for you to do this, right?

    Learn to deal with things and realize that when you set things in motion, you are responsible.

    So I'm waiting --- what prompted you to make the "safe" remark? Are you telling us that nobody caught the reference? That nobody understood to whom the aside was pointed? Yeah, right.

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    Bullsi, sounds like a MAJOR fail in the victim selection process.

    Hope your friend's able to get through the aftermath okay (both legally and emotionally)

    Spot on, knite! Those "wrong choice" events just don't happen often enough.

    And yeah, let's hope that all works out okay for your friend and neighbor. It should but we'll keep our collective fingers crossed. And thanks, bullsi, for posting the report in the first place.

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    Sometimes the victor needs to talk, I used to do post critical incident stress debriefing.....

    Doc, that's a terrific response! We all sit back often and just make bland comments but you've come forward with some good advice and you've even offered your help should it be needed. Excellent, a tip of the cap to you, dude!

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,651 Senior Member
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    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,829 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Doc, that's a terrific response! We all sit back often and just make bland comments but you've come forward with some good advice and you've even offered your help should it be needed. Excellent, a tip of the cap to you, dude!

    I've got some more good advice....KNOCK IT OFF!...ALL OF YOU!....
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  • Dr. dbDr. db Senior Member Posts: 1,541 Senior Member
    If there is anything that human history has taught us, it is we can't all get along but do we have to eat each other?
    Now on to the thread topic.
    I live in the suburbs. 15 minutes from a major interstate and 30 seconds from a major highway. However people are relatively sparse because everyone has at least an acre maybe two or more. I lock my doors and wear a sidearm. Because
    1. Bad guys have cars.
    2. There seem to be more two legged varmints lately.
    3. I'm usually here alone.
    4. I'm not in poor health but I am 62 and not as able to react physically as when I was 22.
    5. When I read about home invasions I frequently see something close to, "the homeowner managed to fight his/her way to a gun", so I decided to cut out the middle step.
    Am I a tough guy or paranoid? I don't think so. Just better safe than sorry.
    It is horrible that the man in Austin had to shoot someone. The alternative would have been worse..
  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,244 Senior Member
    Dr. db wrote: »
    If there is anything that human history has taught us, it is we can't all get along but do we have to eat each other?
    Now on to the thread topic.
    I live in the suburbs. 15 minutes from a major interstate and 30 seconds from a major highway. However people are relatively sparse because everyone has at least an acre maybe two or more. I lock my doors and wear a sidearm. Because
    1. Bad guys have cars.
    2. There seem to be more two legged varmints lately.
    3. I'm usually here alone.
    4. I'm not in poor health but I am 62 and not as able to react physically as when I was 22.
    5. When I read about home invasions I frequently see something close to, "the homeowner managed to fight his/her way to a gun", so I decided to cut out the middle step.
    Am I a tough guy or paranoid? I don't think so. Just better safe than sorry.
    It is horrible that the man in Austin had to shoot someone. The alternative would have been worse..

    Very well said!
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    I remember, when I was 10 years old, it was summertime, school had ended, and if we did not travel overseas to the old country, we would summer in upstate N.Y. in the town of Olive, not far from where that concert was held, the famous Woodstock N.Y., we would stay at a family farm.....

    As We were enjoying the pool, a Sheriffs car crosses the small bridge onto the property, the deputy then informs us that two prisoners had escaped custody, and asked if we had a gun of some kind, a shotgun, for our protection, we did not.....

    I was only 10 and I remember thinking that NOT having a gun, was not a good thing !!!!! I had made up my own mind about guns at an early age.

    What had molded this concept ? a Stackpole book called "Gun Control" on a shelf in our home library, I had read this book cover to cover many times when I was only 10 years old....

    My uncles on both sides were hunters, Dad had Military experience, However, since Mom did not want guns around..... Fortunately for Me, my uncles started teaching me about guns early on without mom finding out.....

    That sick feeling I felt as a young boy of 10, has always stuck with me, I simply do not like to be unarmed.

    Man is physically a relatively weak animal, however we compensate for that weakness because we can make fire, tools, guns, these abilities make us superior to the mere beasts of the field.....
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
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