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Obama announces complete withdrawal

TugarTugar Senior MemberPosts: 2,221 Senior Member
Saw the press conference. Obummer said that he's going to have all U.S. Forces out of Iraq by the end of the year. Of course it's just a bid to boost his ratings and get better placement for reelection. Still, glad to have at least some of the troops home.
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    "Complete Withdrawal" is what Obummer Sr. should have done years ago!
    Jerry
  • KENFU1911KENFU1911 Senior Member Posts: 1,052 Senior Member
    :spittingcoffee:
    Teach wrote: »
    "Complete Withdrawal" is what Obummer Sr. should have done years ago!
    Jerry
    :worthy: ........would have made the world a better place...........Ken
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  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 7,825 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    "Complete Withdrawal" is what Obummer Sr. should have done years ago!
    Jerry
    :rotflmao::rotflmao:
  • ghostsniper1ghostsniper1 Banned Posts: 2,645 Senior Member
    Yeah I will believe it when I see it. I say he's full of it. Trying to get re elected.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,670 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    "Complete Withdrawal" is what Obummer Sr. should have done years ago!
    Jerry
    Maybe we could do a retro-active abortion.....:vomit:
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  • gunrunner428gunrunner428 Senior Member Posts: 1,018 Senior Member
    Question I have (didn't get a chance to see the broadcast today at work), withdrawal yes. Home? Or re-assignment as "advisors" in Africa?
  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,954 Senior Member
    Question I have (didn't get a chance to see the broadcast today at work), withdrawal yes. Home? Or re-assignment as "advisors" in Africa?

    I'd bet money they'll all be reassigned to Afghanistan or other conflicts we're getting involved in. This announcement is nothing but a political ploy, and means NOTHING in the long run.

    Luis
    Wielding the Hammer of Thor first requires you to lift and carry the Hammer of Thor. - Bigslug
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Jeeper wrote: »
    I'd bet money they'll all be reassigned to Afghanistan or other conflicts we're getting involved in. This announcement is nothing but a political ploy, and means NOTHING in the long run.

    Luis

    It means Iran through Sadr the Islamic religious zealot troublemaker who came back on the scene will have more influence in Iraq. Their meddling is not a good thing for Iraq.

    There was a failure to negotiate a new Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) with Iraq which means any American soldier who serves there will be subject to Iraqi law/courts. This is a big reason for the early withdrawal, besides keeping an anti-war campaign promise.

    A smaller force left behind as requested by commanders on the ground to train and influence the Iraqis would have went a long way toward keeping the gains made over the years there.

    Now, who knows what will happen. Stay tuned for some twist and turns that can only happen in that chaotic part of the world.
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    They're going to declare victory, then turn tail and run. Does this sort of remind anybody of Saigon in April of 1975?
    Jerry
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    They're going to declare victory, then turn tail and run. Does this sort of remind anybody of Saigon in April of 1975?
    Jerry

    An NVA general came on the History Channel and said they would have capitulated if the carpet bombing campaign would have continued for a few more weeks. They were at their braking point in Hanoi.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    I think it's a good thing. Regardless of the motives that Obama has, I agree it's time to bring the troops home from Iraq.

    We've got to look at these things with a detached view, unbiased. Much of what Obama has done, if it were a Republican prez, we'd be cheering -- like the drone attacks on the terrorists, taking out bin Laden, sending in air support for Lybia.

    I'm glad to see the troops home, and no, I don't think it's at all similar to VietNam. The Iraq mission is pretty much complete and I'm as satisfied as could be, with the knowledge that Iraq is a screwed up country anyway. They SEEM to be getting it together there, much as could be for the Middle East.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Iran will be in control of Iraq within six months after we leave, if not sooner, unless we go back in and prevent it, or Israel gives them a beatdown.
    Jerry
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Iran will be in control of Iraq within six months after we leave, if not sooner, unless we go back in and prevent it, or Israel gives them a beatdown.
    Jerry

    Remember the news video of the Firebrand Cleric Sadr surrounded in a Mosque by Americans who wouldn't attack it and waited on the Iraqis who just let him and his cohorts walk out, guns/RPGs and all. He is nothing but trouble and essentially puts the Sunnis out and his Shiites in control (a majority in Iran) in their warped sense of religious/political "Power Sharing" in that part of the world, even though he is not elected to anything (I think).
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    He sounds like good Predator bait if he ever gets out in the open where it's practical to whack him.
    Jerry
  • tv_racin_fantv_racin_fan Senior Member Posts: 660 Senior Member
    Ain't no way even if it was Moses himself I would cheer an announcement of leaving Iraq without finishing the job. Now if he brought the troops home and then said I brought them home because blah blah blah I would cheer that. You do not announce/broadcast your intentions in war. You explain why you did what you did.
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,713 Senior Member
    We shall see.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Iran will be in control of Iraq within six months after we leave, if not sooner, unless we go back in and prevent it, or Israel gives them a beatdown.
    Jerry

    I respectfully disagree. Iraq's military is very well modernized and has good training and morale. I think they're a match for Iran any day.

    I do think that, in our lifetime, we will see a nuclear event in the Middle East. There's only so much attacking that Israel will put up with.

    Remember in the Gulf War, when missiles were launched onto Israeli cities, sending people running for their gas masks? Thankfully the Patriot missiles had been redesigned as anti-missile rather than anti-aircraft, and most of those enemy missiles were shot down.

    But I shuddered during those attacks, because I knew that if gas bombs had been launched, nothing on this Earth would have prevented Israel from nuking Baghdad.
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,712 Senior Member
    I thought this was going to be about deficit spending.
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  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    I saw the news on this yesterday. It's good that our troops are comming home for the Holidays as stated, but I haven't formed a concrete opinion on this situation yet. Well I have read some pretty good theories here about the withdrawal so allow me to add a whopsided twisted opinion of mine:
    On one had withdrawal from Iraq might have disastrous consequences for Israel, US. Imagine what might occur if our coalition withdrew before Iraquis could defend themselves. If the Sunni extremists prevail ( and I am sure they will), Al Qaeda, and its allies could and would recreate the safe haven they lost in Afghanistan, except now with the oil wealth to pursue weapons of mass destruction and underwrite their terrorist designs, including their pledge to destroy Israel. On the other hand if Iran's allies prevail the regime in Tehran's designs for the Middle East would be advanced and the threat to our friends in the region would only be magnified. Here is a link on this :

    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/04/official-arab-spring-subversion-us.html

    http://www.infowars.com/withdrawal-of-us-troops-from-iraq-highly-suspect/


    I feel that Israel is and has been chomping at the bit to bomb or nuke the country of Iran... By removing our sercvice personal from that area we are essentially giving the Green light to Israel to "Go ahead Ted" and launch the first Preemptive strike against Iran. Hasn't the US alway been a kind of " Behind the scenes military leader" for Israel ? I always thought we have, and now that the US has succeded in causing uprising and rebellions in the middle east countries, the only Middle country left to deal with is Iran and Saudi- Arabia.
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,534 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    I respectfully disagree. Iraq's military is very well modernized and has good training and morale. I think they're a match for Iran any day.

    I do think that, in our lifetime, we will see a nuclear event in the Middle East. There's only so much attacking that Israel will put up with.

    Remember in the Gulf War, when missiles were launched onto Israeli cities, sending people running for their gas masks? Thankfully the Patriot missiles had been redesigned as anti-missile rather than anti-aircraft, and most of those enemy missiles were shot down.

    But I shuddered during those attacks, because I knew that if gas bombs had been launched, nothing on this Earth would have prevented Israel from nuking Baghdad.

    Sam, I have a long three plus years of my life invested in that country....I personally take what Obama is doing as a kick in the nuts. The job is no where near done over there. The Iraqi army DOES NOT have high morale, and THEY ARE NOT adequately trained. When I left in June of '09 the ranks of the Army and the National Police (like the FBI/National Guard) were riddled with Sadr and Iran Loyalist. Iran has their hands so deep in the government thru the Badr and Sadr organizations it is not even funny. Now, more than ever do we need Mentors and advisors there with the leadership to guide them through this time. I am talking advisors from the State department down to the Company level. There are men in the ranks with Iron resolve and are true to the New Iraq. We need to be there and show those guys what is right, so them how clean their ranks, and help them take the next step...An insurgency and rebuilding of a government is at the LEAST a 10 yr process. We have seen that in all of the successful counterinsurgent operations the US and the Brits have done.
    Three plus years Sam, and that is not counting the time in between tours where all I was doing was preparing for the next tour. I respect you, but it is comments like yours that feed the papers that feed the people and make them cry "Bring them Home".... A kick in the nuts.....

    If there is anywhere we should pull out it is Afghanistan...Screw them and Screw Kharzi. WE have bent over backwards for that man and for him to publicly announce what he did, that is complete BS. We have what were after there, let them sort out the rest. I am all for leaving there and marching into downtown Islamabad....
    Africa...folks I hate to tell you this, but we have had Advisors in Africa on a large scale for about the past 6 years....
    "To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,534 Senior Member
    Al Qaeda in Iraq will not previal...Other Sunni extremist may try, but they can't match the weapons or monetary support the Shia factions are receiving from Tehran.
    "To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
  • PFDPFD Senior Member Posts: 1,331 Senior Member
    Wasn't this in the works all along? Is it really news and should B.O. be taking any sort of credit for it?

    "The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: "Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq") is a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States. It establishes that U.S. combat forces will withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011, subject to possible further negotiations which could delay withdrawal and a referendum scheduled for mid-2009 in Iraq which may require U.S. forces to completely leave by the middle of 2010."

    U.S. President George W. Bush hailed the passing of the agreement between the two countries. "The Security Agreement addresses our presence, activities, and withdrawal from Iraq", Bush said. He continued that "two years ago, this day seemed unlikely - but the success of the surge and the courage of the Iraqi people set the conditions for these two agreements to be negotiated and approved by the Iraqi parliament


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement
    That's all I got.

    Paul
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Sam, I have a long three plus years of my life invested in that country.....

    Excellent analysis, center, you're probably correct. I really don't have any direct knowledge of the politics in that area, Iraq/Iran, etc. I've studied Israeli history but really not much of the Arabic Middle East.

    I agree about Afghanistan. That country is so screwed up. I'm just hoping that Iraq can get it together. But I'm still of the opinion that we've done our due diligence there. I could be wrong, probably am.
  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,954 Senior Member
    This is the bottom line. Good, bad or indifferent, it is their country and they have the right to tell us to leave. To refuse to do so would completely delegitimize our presence there and reignite the insurgency that at least from what I can tell has significantly died down over the past year or so. Making us leave now may very well turn out to be the wrong decision, but it is the Iraqi people's decision to make, not ours, and they're the ones that will have to live with the consequences of it.

    AGREED.

    Luis
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  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,534 Senior Member
    It is not a matter of them telling us leave...IT is a matter of the State Department not being able to bargin an effective or equitable SOFA. So instead of making them keep at the table or cmming up with something Worthwhile, Obama says "screw it...lets go home..."

    Yes it is in their right to ask us to leave, but that is not what is happening. We knew things were changing as soon as we helped them go to a "rule of Law" base for targeting and capture/kill operations. Obama was in office for that and he did nothing to help things move....
    "To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    You know, all the insurgents in Iraq and surrounding countries are laughing their head's off right now. As soon as the last American soldier is outta there, the fireworks will begin. Look what happened in Vietnam. Oh well, some things never change.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Reading posts above here, I have to ask, do we just leave and say screw it? Do we let the innocent Iraqis that had faith in us changing their lives for the better suffer at the hands of Al qaida and other thugs in the region? Do we just forget those poor guys that gave their lives for this effort and pack up and leave and let things go backward? Maybe we shouldn't have gone there in the first place, but we did and some of our guys died there to make it free and to give some people a better life, and to spread Democracy to those who want to try it. That's why when I hear of us pulling up our skirts and running out of there, I get heartburn.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    If there is anywhere we should pull out it is Afghanistan...Screw them and Screw Kharzi. WE have bent over backwards for that man and for him to publicly announce what he did, that is complete BS. We have what were after there, let them sort out the rest. I am all for leaving there and marching into downtown Islamabad....
    Africa...folks I hate to tell you this, but we have had Advisors in Africa on a large scale for about the past 6 years....


    I totally agree^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^:that::agree:
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Reading posts above here, I have to ask, do we just leave and say screw it? Do we let the innocent Iraqis that had faith in us changing their lives for the better suffer at the hands of Al qaida and other thugs in the region? Do we just forget those poor guys that gave their lives for this effort and pack up and leave and let things go backward? Maybe we shouldn't have gone there in the first place, but we did and some of our guys died there to make it free and to give some people a better life, and to spread Democracy to those who want to try it. That's why when I hear of us pulling up our skirts and running out of there, I get heartburn.

    Snake, your comments are excellent and they echo my own thoughts. I WANT our troops home, but I also WANT their sacrifices to not be in vain. The most recent positive example is of course WW2, but after that, it's all a mire of lost causes and failed ventures. Okay, maybe Panama.

    I frankly don't think that Iraq cares about us, or the rest of the Western world much. I'm just guessing that they hate Iran enough to put up a strong defense. A standoff may be all that results.
  • wildgenewildgene Senior Member Posts: 1,036 Senior Member
    ...when I first saw this thread title, I thought, maybe, "hopefully" maybe, he was done screwing us...

    ...I shoulda known better
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