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Gene L wrote: »
I'm just not sure it's better to have kids throwing cans of food at terrorists. To me, it's better to lock the door and deny them access. This worked at the Va Tech shooting. A door wedge is cheap and would stand up to anything a shooter is likely to have with him.
The food donation is a great idea, of course. But if this principal is dedicated to having kids throw things at shooters, she should get enough scissors for each student to have a pair (since knives are not legal) keep them in her desk and in case of a shooter, issue the scissors to throw. One and done. At least they're sharp.
Sometimes it's hard to take some people seriously. I can't believe this idea was even considered. Throwing cans of food? This smacks of a liberal answer, either that or it's a joke. If the principal is THAT worried about a shooter, she should secretly carry a gun, but I doubt this fits her agenda. Instead, she puts the onus on middle school students to fend for themselves. Who's the responsible one in this situation? Who would be more likely to stop an armed terrorist, a kid throwing a can of peas, or a woman with a gun? So long as she didn't show it around, no one would ever know she was armed.
Someone almost said it earlier; the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Not with a can of beans.
Wambli Ska wrote: »
Against a gun?
Gene L wrote: »
The defense of children is the responsibility of adults. Period. To think anything else is whistling past the graveyard and ignoring OUR responsibility as adults. The basic responsibility, in fact.
knitepoet wrote: »
Sorry, had to add "scream", You KNOW a bunch of kids in an emergency situation are going to scream.
jbohio wrote: »
Probably because it's the only choice she's allowed. And, easily affordable.
Gene L wrote: »
The answer to an imperfect world is to make the world better. It's up to us if not to totally prevent terrorists, of any kind, then to come up with a credible answer to a threat. Not be satisfied with kids throwing cans. If this method of self defense was promoted for citizens on the street, even as a last resort, it would be laughed at. Is this the best we, as Americans, can come up with? I don't think so. There has to be middle ground in the use of force continuum between having a Ma Deuce set up at each doorway and a plan that requires kids to defend themselves with vegetable cans. Americans are better than that.
I would want my grandson to hide behind a locked door.
snake284 wrote: »
For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
bisley wrote: »
It probably doesn't matter, anyway.
As soon as one child is injured because another threw a can of corn at him, schools everywhere will ban canned food in schools, except for the cafeteria, and it will be locked up so they have to push food trays to the kids through the bars.
Even if some schools actually had a somewhat logical plan to have the older kids mass their 'fire,' by throwing simultaneously as they charged the bad guy - somewhere, sometime, a gang of teenagers would attack an innocent victim, and the schools would be sued for making it all possible.
bisley wrote: »
I would go a step further, though, by educating and arming those employees with the proper temperament to act as deputies, should the need ever arise, or even to recruit grandpas (like me) to lounge around and mingle with everybody, like a 'beat cop.'
Dr. db wrote: »
Response time to my school was 90 seconds from call to roll up. Local LEOs are trained to immediately go in looking for the threat. The officer doesn't establish a perimeter and wait for SWAT even if there is only one officer he/she is in the school hunting the bad guy. The officer has been in the school. Because kids are locked down in classrooms (not cowering in a corner rather establishing a good defensive position with cover and concealment) the LEO has a clear field to engage and the coward either commits suicide or the LEO shoots him.
The problem with armed faculty, and I'm not against it, is they are most likely in class with kids. Hard call to leave some kids to hunt a bad guy even if you are trained.
Perfect? No. Possible in the present ? Yes.
Big Chief wrote: »
I'm afraid most parents and educators should take the Short Bus along with the **** children to class they way our society has gotten when it comes to guns and self defense.
We didn't used to have all these school shootings to worry about. WHAT HAS CHANGED?
Families do not stay together
Values/Christian or otherwise, are not there anymore like they were
Anything goes progressive thinking
Computer games/very violent ones
Lack of serious discipline, no spanking or little consequences for their bad behavior
Drugs, more kinds and more available
Every kid is a champion/competition is bad
No responsibility on the bad doer, just blame someone or something else
Music?Hollywood.............they have been with us, but????????
Societies social mores
And many more things, just take yer pick. Seems life is much more dangerous for children these days than it was when I grew up, why is that? Even with all the safety precautions?
And hell, they don't even let them play dodge ball in some schools, how the hell they expect them to hit anything with a can of beans?
Oh, lets not fergit stupid ass parents who let their weird kids isolate themselves from the world and let the Internet be their babysitters and can't see when they are raising little monsters who are making bombs in the garage/threats online/drawing attack plans! Then said parents can spend all their time online with their devices and not be bothered with raising kids.
Computer technology is indeed a double-edged sword.
Dr. db wrote: »
...THE TEACHERS, or old vatos, PAY FOR IT THROUGH THEIR CERTIFICATION RENEWAL. They have to pay for college courses (or 90 clock hours in Colorado) every 5 years anyway. Let them be trained in school security. The local sheriff more than likely has a reserved deputy course on tap, just adapt that curriculum by throwing out how to drive a police vehicle or jail prisoner transport procedures and insert school security. Now the faculty member is acting under the legal umbrella of law enforcement with much greater legal protection. It cost the state and county zero. The faculty member shells out money he/she would have had to spend anyway. The faculty member is intimately familiar with the school. The kids have a go to guy they know can do something if they are bullied or if one of their pals is planning something. The person is at the school MUCH more frequently than an SRO who has to leave periodically I'd the SRO is shared with another school...
HvyMax wrote: »
I personally support teaching a defensive mindset. Cowering never saved anybody. There needs to be a plan to the last breath. Lock and barricade the door, take up defensive positions with available weapons, evaluate escape routes, barring escape and failed door then attack with everything from every angle. Can't kill em all and even if they do then they didn't die cowering. I have always taught my kids that you have no chance whatsoever if you don't try something. Even if you fail you are probably still better off. There are worse things then being shot/killed. I tell my kids if faced with a kidnapper or such with a gun to run and scream. Odds are the person will not want the attention and will take off and being wounded/killed right then and there is probably nothing to what they will do to you if they don't. Small children have few options but even if they run out it is always better to die trying.
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