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Some old cartridges......I found interesting

WeatherbyWeatherby Senior MemberPosts: 4,953 Senior Member
I Don't know if anyone else will but figured I'd post some of them.


Paul Mauser's first cartridges 11.15 X 60R
These I think are from the 1880's

Paper patched black powder

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I believe these are the precursor to the 410

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Some 30-30 rounds..........but they aren't Winchester....pretty rare with this head stamp

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These did come home with me......... after all .22 is hard to find
I think these are early black powder ones.....safe to shoot ?

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One for Jayhawker and ranch.....these are also called 50-95 Winchester
made circa 1911 or prior

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That's enough for now......He does have more "stuff" I'm going to try to find out about if anyone likes stuff I could get pictures.
One in particular really interests me......some sort of 50 cal.....rimfire

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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Cool old ones there, thanks for posting the pics.

    Didn't the Brits have revolvers chambered in really big calibers ...Welby's?
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  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,953 Senior Member
    They did chief.......the 50 rimfire is definitely rifle though :up:
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,989 Senior Member
    That's some cool stuff!!!
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  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,083 Senior Member
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Weatherby wrote: »
    They did chief.......the 50 rimfire is definitely rifle though :up:

    Yeah way cool bro! And yes Western was bought or merged with (Not sure which as I haven't searched the history yet) by Winchester and Union Metallic Cartridge, UMC, was acquired by Remington at some point. A 50 Rim Fire? Way cool. I know there used to be several larger rim fires out there. My knowledge of firearms history is lacking as I never was really interested until lately. But guys like you that post this stuff fuel my curiousity. Thanks for posting.
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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,625 Senior Member
    Cool stuff indeed, are you getting these off the internet or are you hitting shops and sales?
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  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 7,826 Senior Member
    Very cool stuff!! I bet it even smells old!!
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,740 Senior Member
    I think the .22 ammo is safe to shoot, but I wouldn't shoot them. Got collector value, but if shot, zero collector value.
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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,915 Senior Member
    That is some really neat old ammo. Sure wish we had a place to find things like that around here
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  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,953 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 wrote: »
    Cool stuff indeed, are you getting these off the internet or are you hitting shops and sales?

    A friend bought out what used to be my favorite gun shop......all inventory...kind of a fire sale type thing.
    I've been trying to help him find the info/value of some.

    This is what the rim fire ? may be a variation not exactly rim fire that I thought was cool
    I'm thinking the 82 is 1882 but that is next on my find out list
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    One thing he had I'd love to try were WWII 10 gauge signal flares.....but I envisioned me getting in trouble
  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 7,826 Senior Member
    I'd like to see a picture of the entire round, and in focus!!
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,740 Senior Member
    Earlier centerfire cartridges had the primer inside and not immediately apparent to first glances. Could be that's what your "rimfire" cartridges are. A lot of state militias had this kind of cartridge in Remington rifles in 50-70 caliber. I've not seen the cartridges but have seen a couple of rifles in that caliber in Trapdoors (I think.)
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  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,953 Senior Member
    Big Al1 wrote: »
    I'd like to see a picture of the entire round, and in focus!!

    Me too Al.......LOL
    I did find out what they are......His are blanks but this link explains them really well.
    His do have that crimp so are internally primed center fire.
    The R is for Rifle from feb of 1882 F is Frankford arsenal

    http://www.oldammo.com/november04.htm
  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,953 Senior Member
    Earlier centerfire cartridges had the primer inside and not immediately apparent to first glances

    You were right Gene we both posted at the same time....well actually you were faster
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,921 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Welby's?

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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Weatherby wrote: »
    Earlier centerfire cartridges had the primer inside and not immediately apparent to first glances

    You were right Gene we both posted at the same time....well actually you were faster

    I don't know but just a guess that though they were centerfire they were probably like Rim Fire in that they weren't reloadable. Just my guess.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    Weatherby wrote: »
    I Don't know if anyone else will but figured I'd post some of them.



    I believe these are the precursor to the 410

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    That one was used in the Marble's Gamegetter. Later models of the Gamegetter were chambered for 2 1/2" 410 shotshells.
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  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,953 Senior Member
    I did Not get away unscathed.

    I have a 1917 on my to do list.
    Finding these really made my day

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    The .22 collection also got a few additions.....did someone mention Welby's ?


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  • N320AWN320AW Senior Member Posts: 648 Senior Member
    I love old historic cartridges.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    None of the .30 caliber rounds in the OP will fit a .30-30. The top box is a rimless cartridge for the .30 Remington autoloader, the middle box is .303 British, a rimmed round way too big to fit a .30-30 Winchester, and the bottom box is for a .30-40 Krag (same as .30 US), also a rimmed round, but not interchangeable with a .30-30.
    Jerry
  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,953 Senior Member
    They sure won't fit a Winchester 30-30
    The 30-30 Remingtons will fit an early model 8 so marked.
  • USUFBUSUFB Senior Member Posts: 830 Senior Member
    That stuff is awesome!
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  • Ranch13Ranch13 Senior Member Posts: 820 Senior Member
    Really neat stuff, thanks for letting us see it!:beer:
  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,953 Senior Member
    Thanks Ranch.....I've always enjoyed some of the cartridges you shoot.....long range to boot
  • Ranch13Ranch13 Senior Member Posts: 820 Senior Member
    It's a lot of fun, altho severely challenging at times, to make those old cartridges run. Hope you get to try it some time, altho be forewarned it is addictive, and there is no known cure.
  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,953 Senior Member
    Paper bullets

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    I don't have the picture of the wooden bullet ones right now but they were odd and do plan on getting some.
    A red Remington box. I liked it.....shame they forgot the long in colt

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