9mm: Glock or 1911 or?

zorbazorba Senior MemberPosts: 19,102 Senior Member
The fiasco with the P.38 drives home the fact that I really need an "every day" gun rather than shooting somewhat valuable antiques every range trip. I'm starting the thought process about what gun I should acquire for range trips and other shooting fun. I do want to stick to 9mm. Probably won't purchase until late this year...

Keeping in mind that my options are limited here in Commiefornia, what is the collective wisdom about:

Glock 17L (NOT on the California roster, but one comes up for sale from time-to-time)
Glock 17 (Gen 3, can buy all day long)
Glock 34 (Gen 3, will probably need ordering, but should be readily available)
Springfield "Loaded" 1911 (On roster, have to order, don't know about availability)
Springfield 9mm RO (NOT on roster, hard to come by)
Kimber "Target II" (Apparently on roster, know nothing about it).

I like the idea of the Glock 17L or 34 with its long slide, long bbl, and long sight radius, but have never shot one - just shot a plain 17 (and need to do so again). I like Glock's reputation for being pretty bomb proof, etc, etc. I don't like Glock's lack of manual safety, and I sure don't like the looks of them - Fugly! But cost of acquisition is pretty reasonable.

1911 options: Difficult to acquire here, and expensive everywhere. But are a thing of beauty, and Springfield has a stellar rep for their 9mm offerings. I don't know if anyone makes a longslide 1911 in 9mm, and getting one here in the PRC would be problematic anyway. Would I care that much about a longslide or not (regardless of platform)? The Springfield is a gun I could love, not so sure about a Glock - but I can get a longslide Glock. Totally clueless about the Kimber, knowing only that they have a good rep as well. No other 9mm 1911s are on roster, but if there are any recommendations, I can keep an eye out for a private sale.

Opinions? Anecdotes? Made-up fiction? :tooth:

Any other 9mm candidates, "full sized" or larger?
-Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

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  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,624 Senior Member
  • rallykidrallykid Senior Member Posts: 657 Senior Member
    Since the 19 is not on the list I vote 17 but I am biased as I am a Glock guy. Other than the wife's S&W revolver, her LCP, my 22/45 suppressor host and the 1917 Luger all of our pistols are Glocks. That will get narrowed more when the Luger sells.
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,564 Senior Member
    Unlike some folk that can't shoot both platforms apparently, I like both Glocks and 1911s and shoot them with passably equal capability.

    I have several 9mm Glocks.........and I want a 9mm 1911 something bad. Depends really on what you're after. A no frills tool or a more "refined" weapon in the 1911.

    Any of those models would be good choices. I own both Kimber and SA 1911s. But, my 9mm will most likely be a Long Slide Springfield. I just want one.

    Will complement my G34 nicely I think.
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,102 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Are CZ75s on the list of guns the douchbags will let you own? If so, check them out. Slick weapons, and...you can add a .22 LR conversion for cheaper practice.

    Yes there are. I know next to nothing about them, other than many hold them in high regard...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,051 Senior Member
    in 9mm I'd consider..
    CZ-75
    Browning Hi Power
    Springfield XD
    Smith and Wesson M&P
    Glock

    In that order. The Browning and Springfield might swap in order, but that's it.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • JKPJKP Senior Member Posts: 1,825 Senior Member
    What about HK? P30L or VP9.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,051 Senior Member
    To me the juice ain't worth the squeeze to get an HK.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,245 Senior Member
    Go to a range that will let you shoot both or all of the above. Try them out, see what strikes your skirted fancy.
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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,260 Senior Member
    Move. Buy anything you want.
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,898 Senior Member
    Are there any new handguns that are CA legal now with that case ID business.
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  • bobbyrlf3bobbyrlf3 Senior Member Posts: 2,465 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    But to answer your question, from a pure shooting standpoint I'd take the 1911 over the Glock any day.

    :that:

    Also, I would consider the FN FNS9, if you can stomach the external safety.
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  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,788 Senior Member
    Glock 19 for carry or home defense is the most reliable and practical choice and most economical. Police trade in glock 22's are cheapest in .40.

    A 1911 in 9mm is heavy and will shoot great but more expensive. Because of its limited magazine size it is likely easier to get.

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  • wizard78wizard78 Senior Member Posts: 1,004 Senior Member
    I have a SA 9mm but have been eyeing the Rock Island 22TCM/9mm target model. The reviews are excellent and 22TCM ammo isn't that expensive.
    Don't know if it's available to California residents.

    https://us.armscor.com/products/tcm-rock-target-fs-hc-combo-22tcm-9mm

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  • JKPJKP Senior Member Posts: 1,825 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    To me...Once you get above Glock or XD price levels in Tupperware guns, the extra price demands (other than resale value) of an HK is nothing more than "I'm a badass operator with an HK".
    There's only so much you can do with plastic.

    HK VP9 is about $75 more than a Glock. Just throwing him an option. Nothing wrong with either one.
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,666 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Are CZ75s on the list of guns the douchbags will let you own? If so, check them out. Slick weapons, and...you can add a .22 LR conversion for cheaper practice.

    This. Totally this. Best 9mm for the money out there. Ergonomics and looks can't be beat either
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  • TrueTone911TrueTone911 Senior Member Posts: 6,045 Senior Member
    My dad just sold me his M&P to buy a Rock Island 1911

    For those who want to share in the disgust

    http://certguns.doj.ca.gov

    Click on the Recently Added and Recently Removed links and notice the difference in the size of those two lists

    Enough to make a guy pack his bags.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,053 Senior Member
    For a range gun I prefer a 1911, for a fighting gun, I prefer the Glock. I have a pair of Kimber stainless target II's that are range queens (and go hunting on occasion). My Glock is for HD.
  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 5,726 Senior Member
    Find a cheap used Glock and save up for a 1911 of some flavor.
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 10,726 Senior Member
    One of each.
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  • HvyMaxHvyMax Senior Member Posts: 1,786 Senior Member
    My favorite handgun platform bar none is the EAA Witness(CZ75 clone). You can get slides and barrels from 22-45 long, short, comped all on the same frame.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,985 Senior Member
    CZ 75s have come a long way since the Black Jungle Painted ones for sale in Rod & Gun Clubs to GIs in Germany in the 80s....I think they were $169 or so, packed in enough cosmoline like grease to lube every Zerk fitting on a 2 1/2 ton truck, 2X15 round mags and allowed to bring back two. Later the CZ 85s and many add ons were starting to become available. Those ones were not very accurate or at least frowned upon on German ranges for their "Combat Accuracy" which wasn't fully accepted back then by them.

    They were/are ergonomically great to hold on to. I kinda wish now I'd got a pair to bring home, but my interest was elsewhere back then. They were very desirable and hard to get stateside until the wall came down.

    Have you considered a Ruger P-89 or one of the later models or they not CA safe/allowed. Since you probably will never get a CCW in CA you may as well but something that will satisfy your shootin fun on the range and serve duty as a HD 9mm too. One of the 1911s in 9mm would probably fill that bill nicely.
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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,668 Senior Member
    I own 2 Glocks (19, 22) and 2 1911s (Rem45 & RIA 10mm) For a SD/HD gun, I'd take the Glocks.
    Just my opinion, and worth every penny you paid me for it :tooth:
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,102 Senior Member
    NN wrote: »
    Are there any new handguns that are CA legal now with that case ID business.

    Just a couple of revolvers and a Bond Arms Derringer.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,102 Senior Member
    Thanx fer the advice so far, you guys are the best in helping a more-or-less clueless Belly Dancer figure this out. Yea, you too Ned. I definitely will fondle a CZ - in fact, I think my LGS may have one. I'm also hoping my LGS has a rental 9mm 1911, and I need to re-rent a Glock.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 1,825 Senior Member
    Another vote for the CZ. They are awesome. Like a great wheelgun, they seem to get better as you use them. Can be carried any way you like, cocked and locked or DA. They also make SO many variants, one is bound fit your choice. They even make a tupperware version.
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  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    I always liked the P-35.

    And for you, very strong links to WWII.

    We had them for over 50yrs, in 2013 they got swopped out for the Glock 17 Gen 4.


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  • NotHisRealNameNotHisRealName Member Posts: 57 Member
    zorba wrote: »

    Opinions? Anecdotes? Made-up fiction? :tooth:

    Any other 9mm candidates, "full sized" or larger?

    Based purely on my non - existent experience with handguns, I tend to get excited about the Sig 226.
    They're just shy of $2K here in Aus, but I'm determined that will be my first handgun purchase.

    Expect stupid.
    -Real.
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,500 Senior Member
    1911. Seems perfect for you, given your love for old war guns.
    Especially, just to shoot at the range.
    Springfield, Kimber, both great.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,985 Senior Member
    SO are you limited to 10 round mags? If so, that sorta kinda defeats the purpose of a Hi Cap pistol and you can or almost get 10 with a 1911 with one up the spout.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,898 Senior Member
    I like the 1911 RO.

    A CZ or a sig would be good, too.

    Of the three, a RO and a CZ are the two I've shot in 9mm
    I've shot a sig and a CZ knockoff in .40.

    All were very good.
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